Bumps and sore in my mouth 
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This is day 10 of my water fast.
I have done juice fasts many times for a myriad of chronic health issues and autoimmune diseases, and am doing my first Water Fast now, since the health issues have remained unresolved with juice fasts and juice feasts.
On day four my mouth became very sore with bumps on my hard palate and what seems to be lesions on my soft palate. The pain increased of the next 3 days with the pain going into the right side of my face, into my sinuses, ear and throat. At times it has been hard to talk and it is very painful to swallow. I have searched on the Internet and have found references to this sort of thing after breaking a prolonged Water Fast but not much of value regarding early onset.
Can someome pls help me 1) understand why this is happening and 2) how to ease it? I have flushed and gargled with Hymalaian salt water but it hasn't made a noteable difference, and the salt water makes me very nauseated.
Many thanks.
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- Re: Bumps and sore in my mouth wateroflife
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MoreThis is a reply to # 1,937,183I am sorry to hear you have this, it is something I have had a couple of times with my early short fasts after I resumed food. Quite unpleasant, I wish I could help but I do not know what it is.
- Re: Bumps and sore in my mouth tussockgal
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MoreThis is a reply to # 1,937,197Tx very sweet of you. I'm guessing it's all good but it's a pain the proverbial, not just the mouth! :o)
- Re: Bumps and sore in my mouth tussockgal
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- Re: Bumps and sore in my mouth chrisb1
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This is a reply to # 1,937,183Outbreaks such as this are indicative of the expulsion of toxins and the body dealing with viral/harmful bacterial/parasitical infections.
I would recommend continuing with the fast and drinking pure water (distilled preferably) according to genuine thirst only, (usually very little water) until the symptoms subside, which they will in due course.
Vital that you rest as much as possible to channel all of your bodily energies into detox/healing.
Let us know how things progress.
Chrisb1.- Re: Bumps and sore in my mouth tussockgal
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This is a reply to # 1,937,201Thank you! Strangely enough, my instict has been to just sip water to ease the driness in my mouth. And of course, swallowing is painful. What you say makes a tonne of sense. I am riddled with viruses and nasties,incl Rickettsia Africana. One gets it from tick bite fever. And then there's the lupus, the RSD, the heavy metal toxicity, FMS, CFS... the list goes on and on.
Question:
As I said, this is day 10, and I have been utterly depleted, shaky and extremely weak. A trip to the bathroom is a major mission. I am in bed all the time. I have no other choice. How long do you think I should continue the fast? I have a naturopath friend who tells me I simply do not have the cellular energy to fast and that I am doing myself great harm. What is your opinion?
Thank you so much for your response.- Re: Bumps and sore in my mouth chrisb1
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This is a reply to # 1,937,205That's quite a list of health problems.
Day 10 of your water only fast?
In order to help you I will need to know your Blood pressure on arising in the morning for at least two consecutive mornings. If you do not have a BP Monitor then please purchase the same. There are some very accurate wrist monitors on the market at an affordable price.
I also need to know your weight (at the beginning of the fast and currently) and your height, plus bone-frame size. Your pre-fast diet would be helpful as well.
Weakness is only a potential danger if it is extreme and prolonged........
http://www.soilandhealth.org/02/0201hyglibcat/020127shelton.III/020127.ch25.htm
A series of shorter fasts may be more advisable in your case but this will depend on your state of emaciation and for how long it has continued. Has the weakness stabilized or worsened?
Personally, I couldn't get out of bed for many days at the beginning of my first fast of 25 days for at least a week, except to drag myself (literally) out of bed to urinate.
Your Naturopath may very well be right though if he/she has made a clinical diagnosis and prognosis based on your overall appearance and demeanour, but I would doubt that.
Chrisb1.
- Re: Bumps and sore in my mouth tussockgal
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This is a reply to # 1,937,317Yes, although I am it is now day 11 of my water fast; my day started an hour ago, being downunder.
I forgot to add compromised kidneys and NAFLD to that list... Since I started the fast my kidneys have hurt all the time. Oh, and a hand scan a few years ago put me in the osteoporosis band.
I do not have a BP monitor. Will see if hubby can get one for me today. My pulse was 100 beats p/m after I came back from the bathroom, but it has calmed down a bit.
I cam stand to lose a lot more weight. Have always been a slim person but as my health deteriorated my weight increased in leaps and bounds. I am intolerant of so many foods, imcl the obvious gluten, lacotse, etc, and have to "recover" from each meal. My quality of life is poor.
My height is 5'3". I weighed 179.5 lbs at the start of the fast and this morning I am 163.5 lbs. My weight dropped dramatically over the first 5 days then slowed down. I am medium boned.
No, my friend has just given me an opinion - no proper dianosis involved. She is not my health care professional.
Your help is so appreciated. - Re: Bumps and sore in my mouth tussockgal
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This is a reply to # 1,937,317Oh yes, pre-fast diet:
I was on a moderate carb (around 100g per day) and around 200g serve of protein in the form of meat/fish/chicken per day.
A favourite breakfast is plain Greek yoghurt with berries and a sprinkle of walnuts. Sometimes I'd stir-fry rice in cocomut or macadamia nut oil, break in 2 eggs from our own chickens with a splash of soy sauce and a dash of chili flakes.
I drink no black tea, coffee, sodas or even fresh fruit juices (unless fasting) and will snack on nuts, fruit. I have to avoid bread, but find that proper sourdough bread on occasion is perfectly fine. I don't drink fresh milk as I instantly gain weight.
Once a week I blow out on a bacon, egg and hashbrowns breakfast. On that day I will probably have a dessert or some chocolate, and I will have more carbs in general, ie more potatoes, sweet potatoes, etc.
- Re: Bumps and sore in my mouth tussockgal
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This is a reply to # 1,937,317Sorry about the bitty way of answering your questions. I'm on my back typing on my laptop so the odd mistake creaps in, too. Yes, I'm a perfectionist...
As to the weakness:
If you had asked that questions yesterday I would've said it was deteriorating, but today I think I am stabilizing. It still sends my heart into a bit of a frenzy when I go to the bathroom but the weakness is on par to yesterday's.
What I didn't mention, and it may be relevant to the weakness, was that from the second day to day six, I had the most excrutiating lower back and leg pain caused by cramping. It felt like contractions! I found some relief in hot water bottles placed on the areas, but it was not a happy experience. Those gradually improved and broke up until they came in waves rather than being a constant, and now I only get a mild attack every now and then. I still use the hot water bottles. I do believe this to be a sign of detoxing.
I had some days of nausea in the beginning - no vomiting - which has pretty much passed, too.
tuccockgal- Re: Bumps and sore in my mouth chrisb1
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This is a reply to # 1,937,368Compromised kidneys and NAFLD will only serve to exacerbate the detox/healing process.
Have you had a recent kidney-function test within the last few months? and if so what were the results?
Not at all surprised to learn you suffered from nausea as well, as this experience is at the top end of the scale for being the most toxemic.
Weakness, or the degree to which it is experienced, is related to these levels of toxemia, so the more toxic you are, then the more severe the detox symptoms and esp' weakness. Cramping/lower back/leg pain is intense detox. Good thing to relieve it with external hot water. Try sipping very warm to hot water as well: this will help.
#1.You will need to secure the max' possible amount of rest and this means bed-rest 24/7.
#2. Your BP readings first think in the morning will be crucial, so make sure you get that BP monitor asap. Get one recommended by an established Heart Foundation as they do here in the UK. Let me know what they are.
#3. Keep an eye on your pulse-rate per minute while resting; this will fluctuate much of the time, and be especially higher when your body is working the hardest in expelling toxins. Nothing to worry about.
#4. Vital that you are free of stress/anxiety.
#5. The power of Nature that made you, is now at work in restoring you.
#6. Please also try and post here everyday on your status/symptoms, if not every other day, weakness and symptoms permitting.
You have friends here who will support you all the way.
Chrisb1.
- Re: Bumps and sore in my mouth tussockgal
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This is a reply to # 1,937,488Your support is, indeed, invaluable to me. A heartfelt thank you. (I'm in New Zealand, BTW.)
Firstly, hubby picked up a wrist bp monitor for me. I will post my first reading in the morning. It is now 8:25PM as I write this.
Kidney function: no, I haven't had a recent test done. I have no idea what it is. I'm not in danger of failure, I'm pretty sure, it's just that I have had painful kidneys almost my whole life. When I am careless, they will "punch" me at around 3 AM. I've had what I describe as sand, as opposed to stones, pass through, which has caused much pain, but nothing like passing stones. I have always supposed that they have been compromised because of my sick liver. My kidneys are complaining much tonight.
From what you say, I really have no option but to do this fast and to do it properly. I have a very helpful husband and am on 24/7 bedrest since my 2nd day - just can't do anything else since I'm so extremely weak.
This morning I felt as if I had reached a point where the weakness has not progresses. However, at this hour, and after a day of virtual dry fasting, I am definitely weaker again. Probably to be expected.
My one stress is my parents who live with us who are scared stiff I will die and have put a lot of pressure on me to stop. I had hubby print out some stuff for them to read and it has eased off, but there is a selfish element to it, like I'm not available to them. I try to breathe through that so I can stay as peaceful as humanly possible.
I put most of my woes down to systemic candida, diagnosed 31 years ago. As a baby I was given liquid anitbiotics for swollen tonsils/tonsilitis for 18 months straight. The liver was the first organ to show the results when I had non-viral jaundice at the age of 5. I've had an enlarged liver ever since. The tickbite fever came at 8. After that, I was pretty much a mess.
Once again, Chrisb1, I am very grateful for your support and interest. It has strengthened my resolve to see this through, however long that may be.
Regards,
tussockgal - Re: Bumps and sore in my mouth tussockgal
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This is a reply to # 1,937,488BP on awakeming 124/81; pulse 86
Yesterday when I got my monitor I tried it and it was 110/70 which is quite close to my normal BP. I'm guessing it was lower during the first week of my fast as I was very light headed? Anyway, my guess is this is not a bad reading.
What do you think about following the Water Fast with an orange juice fast? I read here on CZ that it is a sure way to move stones from the pancreas (a new concept to me) and since I'm trying to start with a clean slate, I want to do all I can to make that happen. On the subject of stones, I do regular Liver Flushes as I form gall/ liver stones rapidly.
I'll post my BP again tomorrow. I hope you'd be able to advise me further once you have that.
tussockgal- Re: Bumps and sore in my mouth chrisb1
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This is a reply to # 1,937,607Your BP on awakeming 124/81; pulse 86.
Very good result/reading.
There will be fluctuations in BP thoughout the day as while eating, but the most important reading is after a nights rest and first thing in the morning. On a cautionary note it is only a sudden fall in BP that has any bearing on whether to continue or not with the fast (rare) and this applies to any other "sudden and marked changes" in any other vital signs such as heart rate. A resting heart rate when fasting usually steadies down for most to about 60bpm.
On the subject of stones, and wherever they are located, the fast will usually soften them to be expelled as sand/gravel. Stones form because of perverted/abnormal secretions/excretions through a faulty diet or consuming hard water containing much lime-scale/inorganic calcium: so if your diet post fast is plant-based, and preferably organic for the most part, secretions/excretions are normalised and stones no longer develop.
An orange juice feast post fast would be a rather lop-sided diet in my view, and at a time when you will need to replenish your food reserves with a varied diet/juices.
Orange juice also contains citrate -- a natural inhibitor of kidney stone formation, and reduces the crystallization of uric acid and calcium oxalate -- the most prominent substance found in kidney stones; as far as other stones are concerned I am not certain, but rest assured that a plant-based diet will prevent their formation or from re-occurring, while a water-only-fast will hasten their expulsion as above.
Liver Flushes are a good short term measure for ridding the body of stones, but do not address their formation as you have discovered.
Yes keep us posted as to your BP and pulse-rate and any other symptoms.
Well done thus far.
Chrisb1.
- Re: Bumps and sore in my mouth tussockgal
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This is a reply to # 1,937,787Thank you, Chrisb1, your knowledge - and the sharing thereof - is truly invaluable to me. My pulse has not gone below 80 since I started the fast, and I check when I feel completely rested.
Forgive me for continuing to pick your brain, but I have seen so many conflicting opinions on breaking a prolonged water fast. What is your protocol?
tussockgal- Re: Bumps and sore in my mouth chrisb1
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This is a reply to # 1,937,791Your welcome tussockgal,
what is my protocol for breaking a prolonged water fast?
Twofold: if genuine hunger has returned (an unmistakeable demand for nourishment) then solid food, but not concentrated food is fine (fruits, veggies) but in small portions. Restraint here is the order of the day as overeating can undo all of the benefits.
However, for the majority of us, and when genuine hunger has not returned, digestion needs to be nurtured back into full vigour. This takes time, so juices would be ideal.
I would mix fresh orange juice with fresh apple juice (half and half)in a medium-sized glass and sip it, making sure it is masticated thoroughly before swallowing. Three to four glasses per day. Do not gulp.
Continue with this for a couple of days and then on the third morning have the same glass of juice in the morning, followed by a large glass of freshly extracted organic carrot juice at lunchtime and again in the evening.
On the fourth day introduce some high water-content fruit such as grapes/apples or any other fruit in season and eat throughout the day.
Fifth day: fruit in the morning followed by a light small freshly prepared salad for lunch and then again for dinner.
Introduce more solid carbs such as potatoes cooked in their skins by the seventh day.
The important thing here is only consume what your body tells you it needs: the above may be too much for some or not enough for others.
LISTEN TO YOUR BODY: it is wiser than you or I.
Chrisb1.
- Re: Bumps and sore in my mouth tussockgal
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This is a reply to # 1,937,799Thank you for the guidelines in breaking the fast. More liberal than I expected. And it makes me feel better about how I broke my juice fasts/feasts in the past.
This mornings numbers (Day 13):
BP 101/64 Pulse 87
Further report; a mixed bag:
I feel less weak this morning. Mentally also feeling stronger. Bumps and lesions in mouth starting to diminish. The associated pain in ear, sinuses, lymph node under the ear and throat started to dimish 36 hours ago, since drinking less water.
Pain in my arms have returned after having been gone for about 4/5 days. Had a small return of leg cramps yesterday.
Obviously still detoxing nicely. Still obviously toxic!
Weight loss: From a starting weight of 81.6 kgs I weighed in at 72.6 kgs this morning - a round 9 kgs loss and about 1/3 of what I would like to shake off. Probably not going to happen in this first fast.
Food combining: For many years I managed my symptoms my food combining. Then, through dramatic changes in our lives, it went by the wayside. I shall go back to that after this fast.
One again, thanks for all your help.
tussockgal- Re: Bumps and sore in my mouth chrisb1
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This is a reply to # 1,937,992BP and pulse are fine.
Food combining is excellent because it minimizes fermentation and putrefaction, whilst simultaneously maximizing digestion and the absorption of nutrients.
The post fast period is as long as the fast itself, if not slightly longer to recover fully.
Please bear in mind that the fast is only a catalyst for the body in allowing it to self-heal and detox; this will continue post-fast if the body is provided with its physiological needs, and as it dictates.
I will leave you today with one of my favourite quotes and worth pondering over.....
"Natural Hygiene Science "cures" sick people by removing the cause of disease. It removes the disease by removing the necessity for it. It believes Nature is right, and hence does not seek to thwart her operations. It declares that disease is a natural process of purification, and should not be stopped, but aided. It's remedies are Natures health preservatives . Obedience to Nature is its greatest panacea. Air, light, water, exercise, rest, fasting, sleep etc., in such manner and degree as Nature can use are its curatives. Remove the cause, and the effect will cease. This is Natural Hygiene Science."...........Robert Walter MD.
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- Re: Bumps and sore in my mouth IndelibleEntity
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This is a reply to # 1,938,008Chris,
Where can I find the best information you know of in regards to food combining?- Re: Bumps and sore in my mouth chrisb1
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This is a reply to # 1,938,011The very best book/information on food combining (in my opinion) is Sheltons own original work entitled: Food Combing Made Easy.
Obtainable here and very affordable..........
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1570672601/ref=dp_proddesc_1/192-0068692-200...
or here.......
http://www.discountremediesinc.com/food-combining-made-easy-dr-h-m-shelton-pa...
There are some free download PDF files of the same book on the web as well.
Reprinted from Dr Sheltons Hygienic Review
http://chetday.com/fcprins.html
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- Re: Bumps and sore in my mouth tussockgal
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This is a reply to # 1,938,008Thanks for that quote, Chrisb1. I needed this whole Water Fast experience to get me back to what I know is right and true. No matter what is wrong, no matter what the external causes, the digestive system comprises the majority of the immune system and it just makes sense to look after that as well as you can. Don't worry, I know the healing journey has only started. This is has been brutal and it would be foolhardy to throw it away...
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