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Looks like my blood pressure is still problematic. I took a shower, shaved, brushed my teeth, and afterwards I noticed I felt really warm. My ears were red and flushed. Checked my BP. 160/102. That's not good. So I've been laying down for the past 30 minutes with a cool damp towel on my head. The lowest it got to so far is 148/82, but then it spiked back up to 170/95. I can feel it spiking and my ears are still flushed. Dizzy spells. Was seeing spots awhile ago.
I hope my body balances itself. I think it will. Any movements I make, especially getting up, raises it. I'll probably end up with a mean headache though, cuz one is already coming on. That shower routine was the most activity I've done in a couple weeks.
I wonder if the magnesium I ordered, which should be here Monday, will help this problem.
EDIT: It's definitely a mineral problem, probably magnesium. I'm getting all these cramps in my feet and toes. My dehydration was all messed up earlier. And I was thinking about cucumbers a lot earlier, so it could be potassium too. Makes sense. Monday can't come quick enough.
Still laying down. I just sat up and my BP jumped to 172/97.
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Magnesium should definitely help with blood pressure.
Just don't take too much like I did. I went hypermagnesium.Have you been doing lots of meditation? That should help with blood pressure as well.- Re: [EDIT]Still having blood pressur... Insight
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MoreThis is a reply to # 1,802,922Yeah, I can't wait to start with the magnesium.
As far as meditation, no, I haven't done it. I've avoided doing meditations for a couple of years now, because my mind is somewhat unstable sometimes. I have been trying to relax and let go of fear lately. That Buteyko breathing you're posting about seems really promising. It just seems very counter intuitive and I wonder how natural it is. Maybe the oxygen levels go up internally because the body recognizes a "famine" of air? I wonder what the consequences are long term. Certainly very interesting what you've been experiencing.
Still laying down...some improvement though. Eyes hurt and I got a mean headache now. Bleh.Advertisement
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This is a reply to # 1,802,910cayenne pepper (capsules) will lower your bp too. So will Hawthorne. You can do both.
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This is a reply to # 1,802,927You're absolutely right. I have tincture of hawthorne right here, and I believe I still have cayenne pepper here also. They've both been really helpful for me in the past, especially hawthorne, but unfortunately I can't take either of them right now. Hypoglycemia has me pinned against a corner.
Soon enough I'll overcome that problem and the floodgates of health options will be re-opened to me.- Re: [EDIT]Still having blood pressur... Iolite
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This is a reply to # 1,802,942Cayenne powdered I can't take, but I've actually never tried powdered hawthorne. It's worth a shot. I'll try to get ahold of some. Thanks for the suggestion.
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This is a reply to # 1,802,948I use liquid cayenne too.
I used to use the powdered cayenne but found it to be way too harsh.
Still, I keep the powdered stuff around because it's supposed to be really good for packing wounds with, to stop bleeding. - Re: [EDIT]Still having blood pressur... trimnut2
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This is a reply to # 1,802,948Hello insight,
My memory is poor. Are you the same person who is living (with difficulty) on a mostly raw meat diet?
Have you been able to change/move your diet at all?
Have you had any luck increasing your vegetable matter intake?
Remembering (if I am correct) your posts and your posting history it may be an idea to have a close look at fasting with water only on demand. Fasting that way has the best track record both in terms of BP points reduced in the treatment process and the highest success rate subject to a good follow up diet. Fasting also may help the hypoglycemia.
Another procedure which may be worth examining is increased Iodine intake. There are a number of papers mentioning the relationship between Iodine and heart issues particularly arteriosclerosis.
In my case I need to carefuly watch both my carb (particulalrly grain) intake and also my animal fats. The later is probably due to Iodine insuffiency. Fasting is my backup to control high BP.
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This is a reply to # 1,803,004You are lucky - fasting raises my blood pressure. I can, however, lower it via eating only rice and raw fruits and veggies (close to fasting). I use a calcium citrate&magnesium supplement from Soloray in a 1:1 ratio plus 7000 mg Vitamin D / day to lower my bp 30 points but it will just go back up again in 4 hours if I do nothing. I have to use DHEA AND low salt to keep it down. And even then -- I recently got a UTI and it went through the roof -- that's when I discovered low fat, low protein, and low food (but some food - just not enough that I have to drink a lot) would lower it even with a UTI.
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This is a reply to # 1,802,935No doubt about it, some of us have run the gauntlet in our attempts to lower BP. Often we have to find what works best for us.
12 yr ago I did IV EDTA chelation, but my arteries must not have been clogged. I do not regret the therapy, as other benefits were had… just not BP. I did try the “orange juice fast” and after 6 days brought the BP down, but did not stay with it. That told me that a more raw, fresh fruits and veg diet must help. I also use herbal relaxants when anxieties run high. Loss of weight along with exercise is always mentioned and something I need to do after a long inactive winter. Currently on a low dose beta blocker and a water pill.
Last week my mother received an advertisement [the guy was selling a newsletter] and under BP mentioned “insulin resistance”. Went home and did a Google search of it along with hypertension in the search box. Lots of info. Made some sense, since something in our diet/environment must have slowly crept up on us, such as HFCS, MSG, fast food, box mixes, etc. Then too, what about the lack of nutrients in the foods and soils in just the last 50 yr and its affect on how our body functions. On that subject, my daughter suggested a Canadian product, shipped from Utah called Empower Plus by True Hope, to see if it would help inherited anxiety [check videos from their site, http://www.truehope.com
]. No mention as a BP solution from the company. It is a vitamin, mineral, herbal pill. I wish that it was derived from more natural sources, but it seems to be reducing my anxiety some and BP to the mid-130’s where before it was in the high 150’s the month before.
Keep searching…
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This is a reply to # 1,802,935Try rhodiola for hypoglycemia. I was having lots of problems with that until I got on Rhodiola (whenever someone cut me off in traffic I would have a low blood Sugar attack which would not be relieved until I ate). It has been proven to increase glycogen stores, so you have some glycogen to convert to Sugar when you need it. Sorry the reference was in the Life Extension (www.lef.org) compendium book but I left it to someone else and so can't give the reference to you).
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This is a reply to # 1,810,552Thanks for the suggestions you two. I'll look into them, see about trying them out, and I'll report back here.
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This is a reply to # 1,803,002Hehe, yeah, I'm pretty sure you're right. The magnesium should be here tomorrow, then I can finally start working my way out of this hell.
I seem pretty good on my salt levels now because saltiness makes it worse at this point, but I'm thinking potassium is now an issue. I read that magnesium regulates/processes sodium and potassium. You think I should try a little of that potassium chloride salt along with the magnesium?- Re: magnesium, anxiety, dehydration.... motif
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This is a reply to # 1,803,135Great idea! I'll start with some on my skin. I got some selenium that I'll begin taking too.
Well, it has been nearly 24 hours and I'm still having BP problems. It shoots up when I sit up, etc. Earlier I started feeling somewhat psychotic and delirious and my BP was 155/104. Still getting high readings.
That made me panic and I really want to stay out of the ER (and avoid stroke and all that) so I had someone bring me some Magnesium Citrate and took about 100 mgs with my meal. I chewed the tablet.
Well, it made me feel really relaxed and sleepy, less anxious for awhile, but it's having a laxative effect on me. I had diarrhea. My urine is clearer now and I've been feeling thirstier.
I'm concerned about the clearer urine. Maybe I dumped more minerals and now I'm even more depleted? My urine has been consistently a certain amount of clear, and now it's more. Maybe it's clearer because my body is now holding onto more minerals?
I don't know, but I'm gonna take another 100 mgs with my next meal in a minute and see what happens. Hopefully I start seeing progress by the end of the day. Man, I really strained myself yesterday. It didn't need to happen. Blah.
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This is a reply to # 1,803,141100mg is same as nothing, even FDA recommends 400mg which is still not enough.
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Be careful.
I just found out the hard way that you can take too much magnesium with Adrenal Fatigue and hypothyroidism
http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/246489-overview#showall
Hypothyroidism, adrenal insufficiency, milk-alkali syndrome[3, 4] and theophylline intoxication occasionally produce mild elevations of serum magnesium
I was taking 1500 mg per day via magnesium oil, which turned out to be way to much. As shown in the article, it creates hypo-calcium for those who can't clear the excess magnesium.
This is how it showed up for me, I started to get hypo-calcium symptoms. Hypermagnesium suppresses the parathyroid hormone, thereby creating hypocalcium.
http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM198405103101904
Another lesson I learned the hard way. !
So yes....people with adrenal fatigue need magnesium. But it appears that we can't handle an excessive amount like normal people.
So we almost need to take the exact amount for our needs, without going over too much. Not easy. All you can do is pay attention to symptoms, keep a good log book and adjust.
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This is a reply to # 1,803,399What symptoms where you getting when you started getting overloaded?
I read stuff about people with kidney failure/problems having an increased risk of getting too much magnesium. Ever since I jacked myself up Saturday, I've been peeing A LOT. I was peeing like every hour, and each time it was nearly a full water bottle amount. Yesterday afternoon the amount of urine decreased to about half a water bottle each time, but the frequency was about the same; more frequent a couple of times. Towards the night the amount was still half a water bottle and the frequency was finally less, but a little before I had my last meal, I got up to go to the bathroom which strained myself increasing the blood pressure again, and I started peeing more again.
I must have urinated like 20 times or so yesterday. Last night my kidney area started feeling sore/dull pain, and it still feels like that.
I think all the high blood pressure was damaging them. I felt warm yesterday, but it was the blood pressure, as I checked my temperature several times and no fever.
How should I factor this in with supplementing magnesium?
I ended up taking 400 mgs yesterday total.
On the plus side, yesterday evening I was able to sit up for about two hours without the blood pressure shooting up too high. I did all this relaxation and nice music. It really helped. Hopefully by the end of today I progress to being able to stand again.Advertisement
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This is a reply to # 1,803,422For me the hypermagnesium showed up as increased dehydration (it lowers sodium...so this is a concern for this with AF)
I actually go INCREASED anxiety. Possible since the loss of sodium mad more work for my adrenals trying to retain sodium.
My skin became super scaly and itchy, possibly from the hypocalcium that results with hypermagnesium.
And I have had this weird bone ache ever since that has gotten better not completely stopped since I backed off on the magnesium. I still can't quite figure that one out. But from from log book, the timing is exact. - Re: Questions about hypermagnesia an... madanthony
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This is a reply to # 1,803,422Get some AZO test strips and see if you have a UTI. that can cause urgency to pee and ratch up the bp. Also, if your urinary ph is not in range that can irritate and cause urgency to pee. There are ph test strips for that you can get at a health food store. The ph should be 6.5-7.0 and actually you don't want either endpoint, so maybe like 6.8. If your ph is below 6.5 you may need more Vitamin D (you should get a blood test) and if it is over 7.0 you may be getting too much Vitamin D (blood test can confirm also). I think you should get blood tests for D because there is something about urinary ph wrapping around - I am not sure it is always a reliable indicator (although it seems to be for me).
High Blood Pressure can damage your kidneys. Be careful. I may be wrong but I think pain means UTI though (kidney or bladder infection).Advertisement
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This is a reply to # 1,803,141Ooh! I am wincing for you. Never take that much magnesium at once. I think other forms such as maybe magnesium glycinate or magnesium malate do not have that effect. I just take 250mg at a time with water and wait 30 minutes to 1 hour before the next 250 mg. I never take it alone -- I take a cal-Mag supplement 1:1 ratio (Soloray calcium citrate: magnesium oxide 1:1). But have you had your Vitamin D level tested? I did and mine was very low (26) and should have been 70 (it is now). For me, it was the calcium. But I have a VDR (Vitamin D Receptor) genetic defect and 3 genes that cause hypertension so it takes DHEA and a reasonable (lowish) salt diet as well to stbilize my b.p.
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Magnesium does lower sodium levels
http://pilladvised.com/2010/04/magnesium-reduces-high-blood-pressure/
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This is a reply to # 1,803,071I don't think you should try KCl. There are studies showing that salt sensitivity is actually sensitivity to CHLORIDE not sodium!
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Looks like my blood pressure is still problematic. I took a shower, shaved, brushed my teeth, and afterwards I noticed I felt really warm. My ears were red and flushed. Checked my BP. 160/102. That's not good. So I've been laying down for the past 30 minutes with a cool damp towel on my head. The lowest it got to so far is 148/82, but then it spiked back up to 170/95. I can feel it spiking and my ears are still flushed. Dizzy spells. Was seeing spots awhile ago.
I hope my body balances itself. I think it will. Any movements I make, especially getting up, raises it. I'll probably end up with a mean headache though, cuz one is already coming on. That shower routine was the most activity I've done in a couple weeks.
I wonder if the magnesium I ordered, which should be here Monday, will help this problem.
EDIT: It's definitely a mineral problem, probably magnesium. I'm getting all these cramps in my feet and toes. My dehydration was all messed up earlier. And I was thinking about cucumbers a lot earlier, so it could be potassium too. Makes sense. Monday can't come quick enough.Not all magnesium supplements are good. Magnesium oxide is the most common form available since it is the cheapest. But it is poorly absorbed and more likely to cause diarrhea since it converts to magnesium hydroxide in water. Hydroxides are caustic and burn the tissues. This is why magnesium hydroxide is commonly used as a laxative since it burns the intestinal wall leading to an influx of water in to the intestines and increased peristalsis. Magnesium oxide/hydroxide also neutralizes the stomach acid leading to a host of other health issues:
http://curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=1581539#i
Make sure that the magnesium you use is pre-acidified. I prefer magnesium malate followed by magnesium citrate.
Here is an old post I did on the subject that discusses some of the various causes of high blood pressure and different ways of addressing it:
http://curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=1664298#i
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This is a reply to # 1,803,287You too, Mr. Fish-That-Shaves, check your vitamin D levels. They should be around 70. If much lower you may find your bp is actually due to calcium, not magnesium. My 1:1 cal-mag supplement lowers my bp 30 points in half an hour. IF I am on sufficient D. You may find (as I seem to be finding) that if you are on sufficient D your urinary phwill be between 6.5 and 7.0 (say like 6.8) - you can use ph test strips. I take 7000 mg D/day. This is not the end of the story because it goes right back up after 4 hours or so and I have to take DHEA to keep it down. And even then if I eat a very high salt diet it will send it up again as I think the salt causes calcium excretion.
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