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- Re: Biological Terrain spudlydoo
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This is a reply to # 1,673,067I disagree Grz, I think there are many people who do accept that they are responsible for the state of their own health, that is primarily the reason many people come to CZ.
What people do need when they first come here, is practical help. There is no point IMHO of telling people about things such as biological terrain, when they are suffering immediate symptoms, that need to be taken care of. Learning how to make good choices for your overall health, can come after.
If I was starving, I don't want or need to hear about all the good food I could be enjoying, if only I had built up my garden soil properly, planted the right plants in the right season, etc etc. I would want some actual food now, and I could learn all the rest when my immediate needs were taken care of.
Same goes for health, no point telling a sick person, all the health they could be enjoying, if only they had known about all this stuff before, and got their biological terrain sorted out.
spud- Re: Biological Terrain grzbear
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This is a reply to # 1,673,083I think that we both agree...
We just have slightly different ideas about how to go about it.
We both agree that we can *remediate* symptoms any number of ways, however without addressing the root cause - biological terrain - we fail to resolve the underlying issue(s).
So... along with remediation, also instruct about biological terrain and make changes where possible in the patient's diet and lifestyle ASAP, in order to enhance healing and then minimize the chances of a relapse.
Today, I am not so sure people have the *time* for a warm and fuzzy, softer approach, as the environment is degrading at an accelerated pace, health issues seem to be increasingly acute, becoming more and more difficult to remediate... due in large part to both environmental and food degradation.
For examples, medical journals are reporting that Antibiotics are on the verge of becoming useless... and a week doesn't go by without some huge production food recall due to *contamination*... or some huge environmental *disaster*, extreme weather issue, wildlife population crash, etc.
I have witnessed several people die over the course of the last few years with a cascading plethora of issues that starts with a pharmaceutical or 10, and ends after a series of surgeries... chemo\radiation, what-have-you.
But we have been expecting that. It will only get worse.
I do not think that there is time to be warm and fuzzy with people any more... however, do be respectful and allow them to choose their own way - even if it is in the wrong direction.
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This is a reply to # 1,673,231Bear,
You forget (or never heard yet) that candidiasis (or aspergillus, a similar and harsher problem which the OP suspects she has) is an immediate issue. It's not the Chronic-Fatigue-Syndrome it's painted out to be... It's an OH-FAQ-I-SUDDENLY-CAN'T-BREATHE-TODAY or OwOwOwOWWWWWwhatgivesmygutsHURT issue. See a certain difference?
That whole "terraforming" thing has actually been injected into the group mentality long before you and TheGuru wandered in. It's a disease-specific customized form, what we call the CandidaDiet. And even the hardcore pharma fans like me SUPPORT it already - it's one of the few things we ever agree on.
And, no, Spud doesn't agree with you. If you believe he does, you didn't read his post.- Re: Biological Terrain grzbear
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This is a reply to # 1,673,502>>"And, no, Spud doesn't agree with you. If you believe he does, you didn't read his post."<<
spud and I agree much more than we disagree...
*methods* or *paths taken* are nuances... at least to me they are.
BTW - to all of the Candida people... do you sleep on a metal bed\frame? Do you have metal in your mattresses? Do you have wireless and other EMF\dirty electricity in your home\bedrooms? What about LED lights?
May want to look into that if nothing else, that you have given a fair, and dedicated try is working for you... especially those who may be EMF sensitive.
It may mean giving up your Cell Phone s and wireless devices.
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This is a reply to # 1,673,518First flared up 20 years ago. Sooo much lack of balance in a 4yo child and such an awful load of WiFi around back in the eighties, yeah...- Re: Biological Terrain grzbear
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This is a reply to # 1,673,537you are not listening... nor are you paying attention... it is not just WiFi... it is EMFs, dirty electricity, metal beds and mattresses, etc.
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This is a reply to # 1,673,546Now that's just destructive thinking. Can't walk through life shying away from and flinching at everything and anything.
Gotta hold your head up high. It's the only way to live!- Re: It's a scary, scary world. Can I... grzbear
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This is a reply to # 1,673,634Suit yourself...
Fungi, including yeasts, including candida, and molds like other microorganisms, react in high EMF environments.
One study showed that molds generated 600 times more neurotoxins in high EMF environment. There are also mold legal cases being reviewed, assessing if problems in buildings infested with mold are related to nearby antenna infrastructure.
have a good day...
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MoreThis is a reply to # 1,673,888It may take some getting through to someone who is currently promoting the Atkins diet as a good health model and thinks table salt is important.
Of course these posts speak to many others beyond the few participants in this thread. Keep sharing the golden nuggets.
There is so much electro smog in our modern day now that people who study it say that if it was part of the visible spectrum we wouldn't be able to see more than a few inches in front of our faces. Most of it is literally chaotic energy that hinders and distorts processes in biological structures. - 100% True, n/m cora 15 y 7,247
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- Re: Biological Terrain spudlydoo
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This is a reply to # 1,673,518We do agree on a lot of things Grz, and biological terrain is an important part of long term health.
In this case, however, we are not talking about someone who wants advice on long term heath, but someone who needs some immediate and practical advice, for an immediate problem.
Perhaps its because I am not a particularly emotion driven person, but when someone waffles on about balance, paradigms, emotional healing, and other such stuff, it is not at all helpful to an acute situation. This is information that can be looked at later.
And knowing personally, how very toxic the "guru" is, it comes across as very disingenuous when that same person acuses someone else of being toxic.
As for electro magnetic radiation, agree on that one too, and avoid it when and where I am able. There has been a lot of research on this lately, but thats a discussion for a different forum.
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This is a reply to # 1,673,625"And knowing personally, how very toxic the "guru" is, it comes across as very disingenuous when that same person acuses someone else of being toxic."
What happened? You followed IC around like a lost puppy for months, from vibenhance to Christianity Debate to belief systems... agreeing with just about everything he said... you really honed in on him.
Now you follow him around attempting to discredit him, constantly, it's getting old. I've seen you post in threads on the oil spill forum, Trapper's forum, now here. I'm not going to go find your posts and link them, you know what I'm talking about.
Don't you have better things to do? Have you ever heard of agreeing to disagree?
End it, please, it's really tiresome.
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This is a reply to # 1,674,175Go ahead and link whatever you like Wombat. I stand by everything I have posted.
I did not 'follow' IC around at all, he posted on forums that I already posted on. I will post where I please, you do not get to tell me where I can and can't post. As for many of the threads I have posted in, it has been IC trying to discredit me, not the other way around. People are free to read my posting history, and his, and make of it what they will.
We do agree on many different ideas, I happen to think his concept, (maybe not his originally), of Infinite Potential is a great way to view the world and the universe. I also agree with much of what he has said in the Christianity Debate forum.
I do not need to discredit him, he does this himself, if you will notice, I have not replied to any of his posts since he made a very personal and very nasty attack on me, so don't try to paint me as the bad guy here Wombat.
//www.curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=1667805#i
This is the link to the thread that I am speaking of, please read the whole thing in context, (anyone who can be bothered), and please note that this is posted in a debate forum, where the support Forum Rules do not apply. (this is why I am linking and not cutting and pasting).
Your loyalty is admirable Wombat, but you are not my Mother, and you do not get to tell me what and where I can post, if the moderator or the Webmaster has a problem with my posts, then I'm sure they will let me know.
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MoreThis is a reply to # 1,674,193uuuuhhhhh, that thread is 9 days old, this has been going on for a lot longer than that.
And having seen some(certainly not all) of it play out, I'm not surprised that it came to that. Not saying it's "ok"(IMO), just saying I'm not surprised.
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This is a reply to # 1,674,198I'm sure you will support whomever you choose to Wombat, just as I will. When I see a poster getting labeled as toxic, by one that is just as toxic, I will say something.
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This is a reply to # 1,674,207Um.... I have been holding back, but I have to jump in here.
I agree with Wombat. Those who are sarcastically referring to IC as "the guru" and laughing and mocking and following him around, all this is very obvious to many of us. I have noticed an interesting trend in the votes too.
All I have ever observed in IC's behavior is clarity, extensive knowledge about health, spirituality, politics, and yes..... agenda stuff. And yes indeed humor!!! Plus he does a great job in mirroring, for those who are able to see what he is really about.
IMO, what is now being judged as "toxic" and "guru" behavior is just completely inaccurate. When IC came into the adrenal support forum offering information, he was getting to very core and gist of health (ALL health) issues, not just adrenal. Personally, I have been in many an acute situation, where I just wanted a quick fix "bandaid" to make it better. And that is exactly what I got. A quick, TEMPORARY fix which did not last, and the issues, including adrenal stuff, major adrenal stuff, came back with a vengeance. That is until I did my innerwork and focused on the root causes and the EMOTIONAL components underneath the physical symptoms. IMO IC is right on target with his suggestions. And his posts are brimming with wise insights and suggestions, which I suspect has come from many a dark night...Just a feeling that I get....
One does not get to that level of awareness without suffering themselves. Unfortunately this planet is set up that way. I for one, am listening to what IC has to say.- Re: o/t wombat
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This is a reply to # 1,674,238And, as far as the emotional stuff that is being mocked in this thread...well, um, the OP did suggest that that may be a part of her problem, so I really don't see why anyone offering suggestions along that line is being mocked.
Oh, I do see why. To discredit.
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This is a reply to # 1,674,261I can't watch that! That movie scared the living daylights out of me as a kid! Stop it!
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