You are assuming that people who fast to lose weight are just going to return to doing the same damage to their body after the fast. This won't happen so easily if you are informed about the full process of fasting and Recovery which I have done. I don't assume people are all ignorant and wearing blinkers, they come here having learned enough about fasting to make it worthwhile them trying and for the most part genuinely want advice to make their planned fast a success. We know here from our research and experience that fasting can be a successful for many things and weight loss is definitely one of them. I'm sure that this person and most everyone else has plenty of people giving them advice AGAINST fasting, this is a place for them to come for the positive encouragement and support they need.

I think Support is the key word here. Telling people fasting won't work for them is not supporting them. If you enjoy telling people they can't do it start a new Water Fasting Negative Feedback Forum. That would be far more appropriate for these negative and unsupportive comments guys. :p

Cheers,

Andrew.

Spicypenis,first off thank you for reiterating 73657 comments were "way off".

As far your conviction("anyone interested in fasting souly to lose weight will gravely be disappointed")do you know something we don't. Seriously please enlighten us because all you explained was those fasting for weightloss will be dissapointed? Dissapointed at what, you really didnt explain or support you opinion. Which makes it hard to understand you.

As we all know there are several credible ways to back up one's theory some of which include known authorities/expert opinion in the specific field, personal experience. If anything, personal experience is plenty on this forum. How then can you find it fitting to dispute/argue one's personal experience at undissapointed success at weightloss through fasting?

You wrote "I think people who want to lose weight need to make permanent lifestyle changes other then saying they are going to fast the weight off. But that goes for any weight lost regimen" Hang on a minute if changing to eat more fresh fruit, vegetables, drink more water, drink less alcohol etc constitute healthy lifestyle changes then fasting to detox to clean one'system that its more efficient that it can now loose more weight, more efficient at digestion then I'm sure that too constitutes the same healthy lifestyle changes as those above. And as you suggest it is lifestyle changes that result in weightloss then fasting is a healthy lifestyle change and when combined with the other lifestyle changes it sure makes for a great weightloss tool. As you know, fasting is even used in conventional medical practice as a weightloss tool. It is a known fact that anyone who fasts will be delighted at the rapid weightloss. Just as it is also a known fact that whether it be fasting, a diet if you go back to your old eating habits then along with it may come back your old body. This is the point you should be stressing. Not that fasting doesnt result in permanent weightloss because it does and there are plenty people that can attest to that fact.

73657

There are no rules against you posting your comments, disagreeing with other forum members and so on. However, there are rules against PERSONAL ATTACKS and disrepect towards fellow mankind let alone other forum members in this curezone community. Despite your unethical and unfeeling comments Fonty took it in good stride and even thought you " mildly hilarious". Unfortunatley, hilarious is farthest from what your attacks were; rather they were hostile let alone against the rules of curezone community.Again,we are not against difference of opinion as long as its expressed in a positive manner that is meant to help encourage development: CONSTUCTIVE CRITISISM.

Consequently, I think I speak for most forum members when I say we expect you to take responsibility for your actions and APOLOGIZE to Fonty.

Clicking on your username and reading a history of your messages it is clear you consistently dish out UNCONSTRUCTIVE critisism.73657 IT HAS TO STOP AND IT HAS TO STOP NOW. This IS a community please be considerate of other forum members, such deragotory comments make some of our experience's here unpleasant, uncomfortable and uneasy.

This is obviously someone who has never fasted and has way too much time on his hands.

Fasting has shown to increase metabolism 3-5% after refeeding (Shelton).

It's quite obvious that you can't eat like you did before or you will gain your weight back. You weigh much less than before so you should eat much less. I've dropped 40 lbs . Your stomach shrinks and it is more difficult to overeat. Also, the weight you do put back on will be less toxic, if you are careful about eating.

QED

Although I requested that you refrain from your attacks you continue to do so with such statements as "This is exactly what I said. Duh!" Obviously you have no desire to refrain from your ways, as such I will ask the Webmaster to take the appropiate action. No one should have to bear reading you hurling insults at innocent people.

FYI "This is exactly what I said." no that is not what your post suggeted. Besides the fallacy in your argument(that fasting doesnt result in permanent weightloss)was your assumption that those fasting do not compliment it with lifestyle changes, worse you are even assuming that those fasting do not have good habits to begin with, after all one might need to loose a few pounds through fasting and still return to their good/healthy habits as you can see there are way too mant variables that this subject CANNOT be given the simple treatment you are attempting. Further, everyones body responds differently again more variables; fasting is such a complex subject and it is frustrating to have to bear with such simple minded opinions under the guise of some credible informed opinions. I really dont even understand your reason for your post to begin with because what you claim you were trying to say is a well know fact anyway. It had to take you copying and pasting Fonty's statements to finally get your point across Ccause you sure failed to do so on you own on your first attempt. In consolation whilst you were not so great at reasoning your point across you were great at making ignorant hurtful comments.

I could have gone on about all the fallacies in your argument but I'd rather keep it simple for I wouldnt want to confuse you nor get ou the best of you, you know the one thats quick at hurling those insults perhaps because they dont quite know any better at expressing themselves in a civil manner.

Not quite. I am fasting to lose weight. The fact that I am eating raw between shorter fasts and exercising both while fasting and while eating raw when I have the energy to do so is besides the point. I am following fasting principles. Fasting is a holistic measure which nobody here suggests should be done without consideration for the other needs of our bodies. If we just didn't eat for x amount of days and then continued on as if nothing was different it would be no better and just as dangerous as taking medications for individual symptoms is.

The people here are a lot more intelligent than you are giving them credit for. We know what the principles of fasting are and we pass them on as advice to new fasters. It's not fasting plus eating healthy plus a healthy level of exercise, it's all a set! And if you'll read my first reply to this thread you will see that's exactly what I suggested, in support of the person asking the question. You on the other hand are coming to a Water Fast support forum and telling people it's 'not a good ideal', and that as soon as they finish their fast they will 'gain the weight back'. So your way of supporting their Water Fast is not to offer more information on how to make it work in their case but to get them to 'reconsider and try a more sensible method for weight loss'. We are here because we know there is nothing better, it is the closest thing to a panacaea we're ever likely to know.

I just don't understand what you're doing in a Water Fasting support forum at all. You are not being at all supportive I would suggest your role here is as a heckler and nothing more.

Andrew.