I have noticed some improvements, less irritation but not a complete fix yet I am going to keep going, done 9 so far and getting lots of stones good luck   [End]
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same man..ive done 7 cleanses didnt improved a bit on sight..i have for 6 years already eye floaters,light sensitivity heavy one and irritability..didnt improved a shit..im doing epsom salts and o.oil + grapefruit cleanse..but my skin improved greatly not so dry anymore a lot less dandruff   [End]
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My observation of part the fasting crowd here is that they’re endorsing the fast because it does absolutely screw you up and makes you need more pharmaceutical product (since drugs and supplements are now sold by the cartel). I believe they do it on a number of forums for that reason. So I don’t think you can get a real objective opinion about it. I’m absolutely sure, although our bodies adapted to surviving long periods of starvation, it doesn’t mean we should purposefully starve ourselves! I think it’s partly the ’elites’ proving how stupid humanity can be--heck, they can talk us ...
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once again you need schooling homey. there are many people on cz who did liver flushes who had their gallbladders removed. many successes were reported in clearing out their livers. i will set up a kickstarter fund for your education. what is the difference between chocolate and soap?   [End]
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case in point on the label of nature’s way dandelion root Warnings Caution: Pregnant or lactating women should consult a healthcare professional before use. Do not use if you have stomach or duodenal ulcers, acute gall bladder inflammation, gall stones, or bile duct blockage. Keep out of reach of children. ACUTE GALL BLADDER inflammation, GALL STONES, or BILE DUCT BLOCKAGE... Why? Because christopher’s clan knows exactly what can happen when you push on a blockage in the wrong way. It’s a good warning. And then you come along with your half-ass half-truths and you wil ...
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It was liquid lecithin and not granules. The lecithin in water did not look like this it was smooth and milky. You don’t need base to saponify, you just need an emulsifier. no you need a base A strong base can create an emulsifier out of oil emulsification and saponification are completely different animals. do you know the difference between chocolate and soap. chocolate is an emulsification, soap is saponified oil. you need to go back to school homey. but you don’t need to create an emulsifier because bile already is one. Lecithin is the closest thing to bile there is. no ...
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And BTW people with no gallbladder should not take oil at all as the gallbladder is needed to emulsify liquid oil or fat. If your gallbladder is removed there should be no visible oil in food you eat. Mixing oil into soluble fiber like oats or beans or an emulsifier like lecithin or choline is ok though.   [End]
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It was liquid lecithin and not granules. The lecithin in water did not look like this it was smooth and milky. You don’t need base to saponify, you just need an emulsifier. A strong base can create an emulsifier out of oil but you don’t need to create an emulsifier because bile already is one. Lecithin is the closest thing to bile there is. Also the chyme is basic once it leaves the stomach because it is neutralized by bicarbonate from the pancreas. But obviously you have never taken the time to learn biology. And if you took advanced biology/physiology you would know the stomach d ...
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When you hydrate lecithin granules they do look exactly like liver sludge on their own, no need for adding oil or epsom salts. This has been gone over a billion times. People who don’t understand basic chemistry keep trying to use the ’some sort of chemical reaction’ argument for disproving the liver flush’s validity. There are no alkali solutions in the basic ingredients, and those are what is needed to saponify oil. The stomach secretes hydrochloric acid, not alkali, and the small intestine is not able to release anything near the alkalinity of lye, which is what is used in soap and c ...
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I took all the common ingredients for a hulda clark liver flush including olive oil, epsom salt, and citric acid. I added lecithin to simulate bile and cooked it around and strained it and what I got looks a lot like supposed ”liver gunk”. While this test did not give stones, so if you get bile stones out they are real, but any soft clumps can be explained just from the ingredients reacting together. Also citric acid is not a gall bladder stimulant from what I can find, but bitter herbs are so using andrographis or longjack would be better. See the full article: http://www.naturehacke ...
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Have liver gallbladder flushes improved your vision/eyes? Ive done 3 so far, seen some improvements, but also aggravated some of my symptoms greatly - light sensitivity and irritation would appreciate hearing some success stories   [End]
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Has anyone taken papaya seeds to kill parasites? Can you still eat normally during the day when you eat some seeds in the morning?   [End]
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How do you know you can believe them? Paranioa Speaking   [End]
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Thank you for the post. I concur that coffee enema is simple and useful in the liver flush protocol. Just 2 TLS. in the second enema and no need to drink the Epsom salt. And one more thing is the Castor oil pack. Castor oil pack comes small and handy. But make sure to take off the Castor oil pack while holding the coffee, since coffee need to be held at least 10-15 minutes, using the pack defies the purpose. The pack completes the flush process like the icing on the cake - for a lack of better words. I think the pack offers some needed solace to the poor aching liver. ...
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Yea, it can take several failed attempts just to loosen up the material to prepare it for release, I have completed over 70 flushes, and there were times where I would flush ten times in a row and not yield one stone, and then the next flush yielded 100 massive one. The stones sit in the liver for so long that they become ingrained into the liver tissue, so it can take several pushes to loosen them up to come out. If you don’t yield anything with the coffee enema itself, try a coffee enema followed with an oil flush.   [End]
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Good to hear. I did the flush with olive oil, never felt so sick and nauseous in my life, and didn’t pass a single stone. I will try the coffee enema route.   [End]
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Thanks for posting this. I just read Andreas’ book and am on the second day of preparation (according to his instructions in the book) for my very first cleanse (I’m 34) Another place where you can go and read people’s experiences is on the reviews at amazon.com   [End]
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- ”I have had success with the olive oil flush procedure, but I have found that by clearing out the colon and doing a coffee enema alone yields more stones and material.” -- Rob - ”I have passed ”tomato seed” light tan stones with only a coffee enema. My Mom has passed 30-40 pea-sized green stones using only the enema. She was having active GB attacks / abdominal distension and a lot of pain when she did them.” --Curezone Member - ”The green stones are definitely gallstones. How do I know this? Because I’ve passed them myself when I’ve eaten NO olive oil. I’ve seen plenty of bile in ...
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Forget fasting, this article looks at some research that shows powerful benefits in simply eating only (or mostly) lunch. There may be a time and place for a more extensive fast. But for many of us, simply holding off until lunchtime or at least skipping dinner may be the best thing for our bodies. Check out this article along with some yummy sounding lunch ideas to help put it into action: https://www.sunchlorellausa.com/blog/3-simple-and-healthy-lunch-ideas-will-power-you   [End]
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amen. i am convinced this person is some kind of troll who works for Pfizer or something like that.   [End]
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why do you even care? have you ever fasted?   [End]
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TLDR... this relates to fasting debate how? This is a great post for the Paleo debate forum though. Maybe I missed something. OIC... cross posted from the Vegan forum. Makes sense now.   [End]
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I did a ridiculously long fast for the purpose of weight loss. Did my metabolism slow down? I’m sure it did, temporarily. I regained 10 whole pounds when I started eating again. Fortunately I had lost over 100 pounds so the 10 pounds regained didn’t bug me so much. My metabolism was definitely not ruined either and has increased as I built muscle mass. Plus... Durian Rider is absolutely insane. ; )   [End]
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Ok so is your whole platform built on anti fasting if so you have too much time on your hand. Regardless of what you think or believe Fasting is as ancient as they come and beyond just physical. Fasting is a way of life and regardless if anyone intially use it as a weight loss cure it is that and much more. Fasting can lead you on a path to greater health, greater wealth , greatness physically, spiritually and mentally all around. You are wasting alot of time and energy attacking fasting..instead find what works for you and focus on that. If you don’t have anything good to say then say not ...
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The frequent misuse of fasting just like the frequent misuse of anything good can be dangerous. Amy maybe had other issues that should not be equate to fasting.   [End]
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”Animal byproducts such as eggs, butter, cheese, meat are composed of molecules which have multiple carbon bonds which cannot be fully broken down by our digestive systems. The result is those molecules are stored as fat. Fruit and vegetable products however, can be broken down and as far as I know will not be stored as fat.” This is completely untrue... just so you know.   [End]
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Freelee would not be my choice of health gurus.   [End]
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Quoting Dr. Furhman as if he’s some sort of authority on health is ridiculous, especially in this context... Furhman recommends foods high in inflammatory omega six fatty acids -- nuts, seeds, beans, just for starters. His diet is also very deficient amino acids found in animal protein. It’s deficient in B-12, omega 3’s, on and on and on.   [End]
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I know, but frequent fasting is very common in people with eating disorders.   [End]
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Fasting is something altogether different from anorexia and bulimia.   [End]
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Even though drugs and alcohol may have been a factor, sadly it looks like anorexia and bulimia contributed in the deaths of both Amy Winehouse (27) and Peaches Geldof (25). Amy Winehouse http://www.theguardian.com/music/2013/jun/23/amy-winehouse-bulimia-killed-her-says-brother http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1184654/Drinking-anorexia-family-turmoil-Documentary-charts-shocking-deterioration-Amy-Winehouse.html Peaches Geldof http://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/peaches-geldof-dead-eating-disorder-3390376 http://www.smh.com.au/comment/peaches-geldofs-life-not- ...
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Wow! I didn’t expect a book to be written when I opened this post, lol. Might I remind you that guns don’t kill people...bullets do. Maybe a more effective way of establishing your point would be to post something a little less lengthy. Most of what you write is probably true, but I don’t think its harmful to eat meat every once in a while. Besides, was it not the consumption of fish and coastal animals that aided in the development of the human brain?   [End]
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Freelee talks about metabolic damage and consequence weight gain caused by frequent or extended water fasts for quick-fix cleanse or weight loss attempts. [Video Embedded Here]   [End]
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Chris, 100 years have gone by since that ending quote your give and much --much!-- was learned. I see no point continuing in the same vein. Our knowledge base is vastly different. I confess that I do not hold Natural Hygienists in the same high regard as you. I rely on science and direct experience, my own and people who share their fasts on forums. I did find our discussion very productive though. Thank you!   [End]
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Chris, it’s rather late in the game for you to reveal that you fast annually for 12 to 15 days ”as a housecleaning measure from atmospheric and environmental exogenous toxins”. Why did not you say it way above this thread when you kept insisting that fasting is only for the sick? And back in Nov I was reading one of your old exchanges with a user who questioned your leukemia cure (I don’t doubt it by the way). He also questioned your expertise by pointing out that all you did were those 2 fasts long time ago. That too was a good time to volunteer this information. In fact, having ...
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The link is to a blog by someone posting their impression of what Dr. Goldhamer supposedly said. Which starts with ”intuitively”, i.e. he lacks knowledge. The quote from Fuhrman’s book tells me that he does not know what he is talking about either. He obviously does not fast himself. Nor reads what Russians discovered long ago. Again, what ”feels” intuitively right, ain’t always so. Exercise is absolutely essential during a fast. Not hard-core workouts, but at about half of usual intensity.   [End]
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I cannot prove that I underwent two extended fasts on distilled water FastingGuru, but that is what I did. The first fast of 25 days was quite horrendous with severe detox for most of its length, until towards its end where they largely subsided. The second of 30 days followed by over a month of careful refeeding was a mostly enjoyable experience with some detox at the beginning; both on distilled water. I respect your views on the use of distilled water, as I do with anyone else, and there has been much debate over its use, but I came down heavily in favor of its use and for a variety ...
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Further to the use of exercise on a prolonged fast FastingGuru, this is what Dr Joel Fuhrman MD has to say on the matter............ ”I give my fasters gentle stretching exercises to do to keep their backs flexible, and encourage them to walk around a little, but discourage any strenuous exercise. Occasionally fasters develop some lower back discomfort. At first I attributed this to spending so much time in bed. But because this occasional occurrence of lower back discomfort resolves as the person continues the fast, I realized it was likely related to a biochemical rather than to ...
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FastingGuru, I think this quote of your own exemplifies what you mean very well................. ”Speaking about what is natural, a starving animal in the wild MUST move or it will perish. The same turns out to be true about fasting lab rats. Studies show that when forced to fast, they increase their physical activity by up to 50% compared to the fed rats”. A ”starving” animal would indeed need to move because they are on deaths door. They would need to move as a last resort in the search for nourishment because death would be imminent; a last ditch effort to preserve life. However ...
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FastingGuru, I have not said that a lack of activity/exercise will spare more protein; what I HAVE said is that exercise/activity will use-up and deplete nutrients more quickly when compared to being in a resting state and this includes muscle tissue in the burning of amino acids for fuel. Write to or contact Dr Fuhrman and or the Doctors who supervise fasts at the Truenorth center, and you may learn something of value instead of debating and arguing about this. Don’t take my word for this by any means. Hopinso explains this quite well............ http://curezone.org/forums/am.asp ...
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FastinGuru, then why do you suppose that during many illnesses and diseases the appetite is suspended, and the desire for food is diminished? because the energy that would have been used in digestion (the most demanding of the body)is utilized elsewhere in the processes of healing and cleansing. The body knows better than you or I if we just but listen to its needs and wants. You do not need a study or scientific evidence that demonstrates this, and even if you could, how do you suppose this could be measured? Shelton has independent testimonials as to the number of fasts he supervise ...
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Chris, Even though I don’t have Dr Fuhrmans book right now, I know that it does not have any references to the research that supports your speculation that lack of activity during a fast will spare more protein. I know that, because I have read just about all the scientific literature on fasting available in English and Russian. There were studies that determined the loss of muscle during a fast (all on people confined to a bleak existence in a metabolic ward) but no comparative studies between those who exercised and not. There are only anecdotal reports by regular weight lifters that ...
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Chris, you keep repeating this old Shelton quote that ”digestive energy is diverted to cleansing and healing”. This reasonably sounding speculation merely reflects the lack of actual knowledge of what may be going on in the body during a fast. Since this is Shelton thread and we’re wrapping up our discussion, I’d like to reiterate that Shelton had not fasted a day in his life and thus lacked insight a personal experience can give. Such an experience could have compensated for his lack of knowledge -- and he knew nothing about metabolism. He based all his recommendations on what sound ...
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FastingGuru, I am not looking for an argument or wish to enter into a debate, but the Hygienists experience of yesterday is the same as it is today: digestive energy is diverted to cleansing and healing when sickness and illness take hold, and why it is rare to have a strong demand for food (if any) when ill (anyone will tell you this). Of course metabolism does go on all of the time (did I ever mention that it did not)? There are over 140 scientific references on fasting located at the rear of Fuhrmans book so not entirely sure where exactly you were looking. It is clear that your ...
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FastingGuru, there is a consensus of professional opinion that while fasting on water-only-according to thirst, muscle tissue is preserved to a large extent, as are the other organs of the body, otherwise the body would feed on these vital organs and we would die within a short time-frame. Amino acids are not replaced through the diet while fasting, but the body needs to feed on some of these existing amino acids from muscle in its conversion into glycogen for vital organ function for the Brain and so on. If we exercise while fasting, these amino acids are utilized, so muscle tissue is ...
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Chris, you wrote ”I base my views on muscle wastage which occurs more quickly when exercising during the fast on the research work of Dr Joel Fuhrman MD and a few others.” Research work? What research work? Citations please. This contradicts what experienced fasters/bodybuilders say. The speculation about muscles and amino acids is just that, mere speculation. It sounds reasonable, but it does not mean it’s right. If you read that Springer book on contemporary research on fasting, you would learn that, for example, the migrating geese, who mostly fast during their migration, do ...
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Chris, you said, ”I did not say that a healthy person starves and a sick one fasts when they abstain from nourishment, this was Bernarr Macfadden..” Then why do you bring up 100 year old quotes unless you share the same opinions? Generally, opinions this old are mere speculations, which tend to turn out sometimes right, mostly wrong. --- Then you echo hygienists’ old speculation that ”the body will generally suspend the appetite to divert digestive energy into the cleansing and healing process”. The body does not suspend appetite in order to ”divert digestive energy”. Th ...
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I recall one of a number of examples many years ago of a chap who ate prodigiously throughout his adult life and had a 5 course meal the night before he was taken ill. He fasted with complete rest and if my memory serves me correctly, for 40 days. Just to make sure he didn’t have any residual fecal matter left in his colon, he had read about the use of an enema towards its end and decided to have one from a trained and qualified nurse. To their surprise and amazement only slightly darkened liquid came out with no solids at all. He underwent another enema and the same thing occurred. T ...
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Indeed a fascinating book FastingGuru (love your username btw) and indeed well worth the read.   [End]
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I respect your opinions FastingGuru, and it is clear that we have a difference of opinion in some respects, such as the use of enemas and so on, so best to leave it at that. I base my views on muscle wastage which occurs more quickly when exercising during the fast on the research work of Dr Joel Fuhrman MD and a few others. While eating we replenish the amino acids needed for health and repair, but when we are fasting, these amino acids are not replaced but depleted from existing reserves. So when resting while fasting the amino acids are conserved: this is known as ”protein-sparing”, ...
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Being a 100 year old quote does not necessarily mean that it is wrong or incorrect. I did not say that a healthy person starves and a sick one fasts when they abstain from nourishment, this was Bernarr Macfadden, but what he alluded to was the perceived need to fast in the first place, which Hygienists believe is only necessary as an internal housecleaning measure once a year for 10 days or so, or unless at times of illness/sickness when the body will generally suspend the appetite to divert digestive energy into the cleansing and healing process. I am not headstrong FastinGuru, and open ...
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Thank you Chris, I saw that book and managed to read parts when it came out. Fascinating, isn’t it?   [End]
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Chris, many fasters report that they can ”feel better” after an enema/colonic, because they get rid of toxins instead of having their kidneys, lungs and skin removing them. And you cannot bring up hibernating animals. It’s a different process. Fasting/starving animals don’t lie in bed but run around in search of food -- and true, they poop on their own, without enemas. Experienced fasters also poop on their own lol after having run couple of miles. Again, the metabolic processes go on during a fast as usual, and wastes are dumped into the GI tract. That’s the gurgling people experien ...
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Chris, you posted a link to the Russian fasting research abstracts, but are you aware that the core of the method, which is followed to a tee in those clinics, is exactly what I described: purge at the onset of a fast, daily enemas, phys. activity and absolutely no bed rest. Your assertion that phys. activity during a fast will waste muscle quicker -- on what do you base this? This is speculation on your part, isn’t it? The reality is the other way around. While some muscle is always lost on a long fast, the losses are minimal when those muscles are used. Look up Cori cycle. If y ...
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Chris, you keep on giving these 100 year old quotes -- you can’t be serious -? Or take this platitude ”Fasting is therefore a beneficial physiological process, whereas starvation is a pathological and destructive process.” Therefore? According to you, a healthy person starves and a sick one fasts lol Well, I see that you are headstrong and there is no point trying to persuade you to fast. Or learn something new :)   [End]
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Try this one...... http://www.springer.com/life+sciences/animal+sciences/book/978-3-642-29055-8 or Google: a History of Modern Research into Fasting, Starvation, and Inanition.   [End]
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I’ll get back to you on Autolysis, when I have more time, but in the meantime.... Autolysis (a-tol-i-sis) is derived from the Greek and means, literally, ”self-loosing”. It is used in physiology to designate the process of digestion or disintegration of tissue by ferments (enzymes) generated in the cells themselves. It is a process of self-digestion or intra-cellular digestion. Autolysis is a rigidly controlled process. Sylvester Graham wrote: ”It is a general law of the vital economy, that when, by any means, the general function of decomposition exceeds that of composition or nutr ...
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The problem with physical activity or exercise on a fast is twofold. Firstly, this wastes vital food reserves that would otherwise be used in enabling the patient to fast for a much longer period of time if needed. This can make a profound difference between the success or the failure of a fast. Complete rest whilst fasting is merely a state of enabling and channeling ALL of the energies of the body into cleansing and healing, rather than divert these energies elsewhere into physical activity; cleansing and healing suffer as a result. Secondly, physical activity or exercise during th ...
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FastingGuru, It is a generally agreed consensus that loss of appetite is actually a sign of illness and was recognised as such back in the 1800’s...... ”WANT OF APPETITE is not always a morbid symptom, nor even a sign of imperfect digestion. Nature may have found it necessary to muster all the energies of our system for some special purpose, momentarily of paramount importance. Organic changes and repairs, teething, pleuritic eruptions, and the external elimination of bad humors (boils, etc.), are often attended with a temporary suspension of the alimentary process. As a rule, it is al ...
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Chris, the above springer PDF link does not work. The quotes you give for supposed MDs sound very dubious. Na+ and Cl- are our main electrolytes and they are NOT organic. And I already mentioned the _fact_ that kidneys CANNOT spare Na+ beyond a certain gradient and some Na+ is always lost in urine. While it is true that on a no-salt diet Na comes from food, this does not apply to a fast, where Na+ is lost daily but none comes in. Again, the fact is that most people fasting on distilled water quickly develop electrolyte imbalance, the first symptom of which is aversion to water despit ...
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Chris, I promised to return to your statement above that ”..colonics (enervating) are a waste of time as autolysis will use impacted feces as fuel during a fast, so again entirely superfluous.” Where did you get that autolysis uses impacted feces as fuel? Autolysis applies only to living tissues that sustained irreparable injury. First the cell proteins are broken down by its enzymes and then --and you need to know this, for it sounds like you don’t-- macrophages clear out the debris, while the still useful amino acids are taken up by the surrounding healthy cells. In contrast, wh ...
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Chris, above you wrote again that Shelton advocated bed rest, because ”people who had come to him as patients in varying degrees of ill-health and disease”. But surely in the Russian fasting clinics of the 1960-80s, they did not fast healthy people, but precisely those chronic patients who could not be helped with conventional methods. Those were the people who had tried everything and came to fasting as the last resort. Russians absolutely forbade bed rest for their fasters -- and there are many physiological reasons why and how physical activity facilitates a fast. When I said abov ...
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Chris, sorry for the delay in replying. It’s a busy time of the year :) Above you implied that loss of appetite is a sign of illness. I could not disagree more. Some of the best states we ever experience come with complete lack of appetite. In fact, health can be measured in how long a person can go without food while feeling great and having plenty of energy, both mental and physical. Above you also brought up the point about the difference between fasting and starvation. It is clear that starvation starts as a fast and then --when?-- spills into a ”pathological, destructive pr ...
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When you are talking about vitamins/minerals I agree if they come with the food otherwise it’s a big Q if you really need them via supps, etc. The body can manufacture it’s own vitamins and adapt to it’s needs. Being hungry is one thing for one person and completely different for another. For example, many ppl today depend on the constant glucose supply if they don’t get it they get hungry after 3-4 hours. That’s sugar craving and not hunger. Once your body adapts just like in our evolution you won’t even feel hungry after 36 hours. Because the body start to operate with the maximum effici ...
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Without a solid foundation of all the Vitamins/Minerals with basic natural nutrients, health is difficult to obtain and sustain. Eighty percent of health is a healthy digestive system. Toxic foods are the bane of a health stomach and health. ’sugar the sweetest poison of all’ In nature, only the sick and wounded Fast The subtle strength of a Complete Complement of Vitamins/Minerals of all the supplements cannot be neglected. Being hungry all the time is the body calling for essential nutrients, NOT for CALORIES. Fruit, vegetables, deserts that are eaten AFTER protean, they w ...
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Metabolism only start to fall after ’long-term fasting’ about 3 days... Who fast these days for that long? This guy in the video has no idea about human biochemistry. Some ppl need to educate themselves better not to repeat stupid bro-science and take a look into the real science. No point in attacking fasting as I can say many things which are wrong with the high-calorie/high-carb/low-fat diet.   [End]
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IF is a way of life. It’s not for everybody. It helps if you are keto-adapted first before you go into it. Many ppl never reach this stage. Fasting heals the body, it extends life, it can stop many diseases if used properly. Fasting got a bad rep because of the ppl who jump on the stupid crash diets and since the food/supplement industry wage war against catabolism which is stupid but hey ppl have to make money. IF can be a great tool for weight loss you just have to know what you are doing with it and take time to adjust to it. Many ppl don’t... And that’s the problem. Fasting alone can ...
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FastingGuru, I would agree with you that activity or exercise can be beneficial when fasting in the ”well person” and the ”healthy”, but Shelton was involved with and concerned with those people who had come to him as patients in varying degrees of ill-health and disease. Bed-rest was therefore the norm’ in the conservation and recuperation of energy: a lowered ”life-force” or as he described it: ”nerve-energy” which resulted in these disease states. Shelton or I were not overly concerned with fasting in the well vibrantly alive and healthy individual, unless for reasons of spiritual a ...
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Indeed, fasting or starvation is commonplace in the wild, but lets not confuse the two terms: fasting means living from ones food reserves in the absence of external nourishment, and a biological adaptation to accommodate for food scarcity in the prevention of starvation, when internal food reserves become exhausted (anywhere between 30 and 60 days and beyond in humans). Fasting is a physiological and beneficial process, whereas starvation is a pathological and destructive one. The central message of Natural Hygiene (a term coined by Shelton in conjunction Dr Robert Gross to distinguis ...
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Chris, re bed rest you wrote: ”Bed rest conserves energy to the max’ extent possible, to devote this energy to cleansing and healing exclusively, rather than waste any on activity or emotional involvement; this is also apparent in the wild where fasting animals will hardly move except to obtain water for survival. So most of Sheltons practices were based on Nature and what happens in Nature rather than anything else.” I agree that with severe injury or sickness bed rest is very appropriate, but it certainly does not apply to ’regular’, far more frequent kind of fasting, to which all ...
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