Sorry all you serious people who are looking for answers, this "grog" person probably is a younger male or possibly female into all that "hobbit" shit. (he/she uses the word troll a lot, plus he can't spell.) When he gets cancer or M.s. he'll come to his senses. Any how I don't care. Grog is a internet terrorist, he wastes your time. I still think that he is bought and paid for by ATkins and/or meat/dairy. With billions of dollats at stake, could it be possible that atkins and the meat industry have an operation to flood chat rooms with info promoting "their" agenda? HMMMM.