Mike I dont think anyone here at curezone is challenging Science per se only the misuse of it for the purpose of disrupting and throwing kaos into a debate, unlimited resources of minutia is not what curezone is about! This is basically a self help help the other situation! No one here claims to be Phd's in minutia!when the same question is posed over an over and over never accepting a reasonable answer and challenging correct answer and calling people liars is the greatest misuse and disrespect for the bases of science! Ez is not hear for answers and is using Science in the very worst of ways! This kind of imputance is what does the most damage to science! Grog