Yes, great theologians have held to your veiw. Not all in the early churches held to your view. From what I have studied they had a conflict and debate over it as well. Don't feel that I am making you out to be less because I do not agree with you. Charles was great and you are too in your own right. You have actually helped out a lot in this forum. I am just frustrated that we do not agree on this issue. I am sorry that I am annoying. :(