Re: Moving Glaxony's "liver flush debate"

About time i heard you back on this forum with a debate to boot!

I check in here once in a while.  But I have been spending most of my spare time working on my cancer book.  It is taking a lot longer to write than I expected because it takes a long time to read through all the medical journal articles.   But I am exposing a lot of the common cancer myths like cancer not surviving in a highly alkaline environment or a high oxygen atmosphere, etc.  Therefore, I want to make sure all the things I am pointing out is backed heavily with evidence since as we have seen so many times here on Curezone people do not respond well to having their false beliefs challenged.  So they go through stages kind of like the stages of grief.  In this case the stages are:

1.  Denial.  They will keep denying the facts no matter how much evidence is presented to the contrary.

2.  Misinformation. Next they try to counter my arguments by making unsubstantiated claims, providing unsubstantiated "testimonials" as evidence, providing debunked sites as "evidence" and making reference to unrelated cases to try and throw people off.

3..  Distortion.  They will claim I said things I never said trying to make me look like I am contradicting myself.

4.  Lies and other personal attacks.  When they realize that they have nothing to provide as evidence and that what they have provided has been proven bogus they have nothing left to respond with.  Since they have nothing to prove their claims they feel foolish for falling for the scam.  But of course nobody likes to be made out to be a fool so they angry and lash out against the person who exposed the scam.  They make up stories such as the exposer is a spoiled rich kid, or the exposer is rude to everyone or gives faulty advice, etc.  They will also provide other forms of attack.  For example, claiming how many sites the person was banned from without giving the facts as to why.  Such as being banned for pointing out safety issues, questioning the efficacy of a claim, pointing out errors in a moderator's claims and providing evidence contrary to what a moderator wishes to believe.  They idea is to make the person out to look like a monster even though they are only helping people.

5.  Post lies and personal attacks against the exposer in an attempt to get the exposer to fight back.  By attacking the person exposing the myths they try to get the person to respond back to the attacks hoping for an escalation or for the person to lose their temper and fight back.  Then they try to make the person fighting back against the lies and attacks out to be the bad guy. 

6.  The pack attack.  The trolls are too scared to be the lone wolf of the attack so they get their troll buddies to join it.  For example, I had a moderator of the Cancer Support forum start a debate with me.  But he kept falsely accusing me of starting it.  So I repeatedly shoed the original posts proving that he started it showing he clearly was a liar.  Since he was being exposed as a liar and no way to cover up the fact his only option was to run me off.  So he sent out PMs to a number of other posters requesting that they join in on his personal attacks against me since there is strength in numbers.  When his lies and attacks failed I was banned from the forum as a last resort.

The other tactic the pack uses is to hit the exposer with a barrage of attacks to try and run them off from a particular forum or from Curezone itself.  In fact if you look at the attacks on other people with these tactics you will see that the attacks were orchestrated by the same exact troll pack that has repeatedly orchestrated attacks against me to get me off of Curezone.

If the person fights back then they use those posts to ask moderators or the Webmaster to ban the person from the forum or Curezone even though they were blatantly violating TOS.

7.  Acceptance.  When they finally realize that they cannot counter the evidence against their claims and their other troll tactics did not work then they quietly slink back under their bridge since they realize that more attacks will only result in more evidence against their bogus claims.

Good to hear you response HV, with informed knowledge and research, as per typical of your style (thank God!). Have missed your posts. And i agree doctors are incredibly incompetent beings. I'm a living example of that. Doctors are what put me on thyroxine for my thyroid which weakened my already weak endocrine system (mainly adrenals) and then put me on cortisol which completely disrupted my body's endocrine system to a level now so complex that I ended up bed riddened.

Yes, both of the drugs will shut down the glands they are substituting for.

I now only use doctors for testing, i wouldn't go for treatment ever again. And not only because of my experience but the tonnes of people I know who've been made either sicker or worse died due to their lack of knowledge of the complexity of the human body and their apathy. Doctors in general, only isolate their concern to one failing organ when the body is so much more comprehensive and complex. It's a massive interlinked system. Science is about knowledge and knowledge is power. And thanks to HV, i've slowly begun to work out how my body really works and began nourishing my body so that it can start to heal, which is slowly working. We aren't dumb, if only doctors respected that. And in a world made up of incompetent doctors we NEED TO BE KNOWLEDGEABLE if we want to survive.

Agreed, which is why people need to learn as much as they can about how their body's work.  They also need to research the therapies they are advised whether allopathic or alternative.  There is a lot of proven quackery in alternative medicine as well such as "liver flushing", "oleander soup", high dose iodine, a lot of alkalinizing therapies, etc.   And a lot of over hyped issues such as "systemic Candida", mercury poisoning from amalgams, parasites, etc.  If people would actually research these subjects from credible, non-sales sites, they would see what I mean.

HV, you are the only one who seems to have always provided a comprehensive logical and well researched answer to our questions,especially in relation to physiology, no matter how silly and naive they may sound. I thought this is what doctors were meant to do? seriously since when do doctors have or want to give extensive answers to a patient's request for information??? It would show up their lack of knowledge. Keep the healthy debate going, we learn from it, especially if the debate is starring HV!

Yes, I agree with your statements about debate.  Debate is taking a stance and providing evidence to back that stance.  Therefore, debate stimulates the presentation of evidence so people can see the real facts.  Unfortunately debate is not really allowed on Curezone even in the debate forums.  I was banned on some debate forums for simply providing evidence against some protocols on those forums as well.  This is why Curezone has become such a poor source of health information.  The only information that is allowed to be presented on most forums is information that the moderator of that forum agrees with even if that protocol has been proven bogus.  People are not allowed to question those protocols, and worse yet are not allowed to point out safety issues without being banned for doing so.  Therefore, the only defense people have is to do their own independent research outside of Curezone where all the facts can be seen instead of only what you are allowed to see.