Re: Moving Glaxony's "liver flush debate"

You say-

" You are not going to have the same level of all the ingredients each time. Therefore, you are not always going to get the same results."

I fasted for three days with apple juice and used exactly the same recipe three times. The first time I got rubber balls. The second time, 7 years later, I got green sludge about the size of rice. Then I just started flushing regularly and now I always get sludge much smaller than rice. What do you mean by different ingredients?

I have explained this in various other posts.  All you have to do is actually read the posts and you can save both of us a lot of time.

The saponification process involves bile.  And not only bile but its cholesterol since sterols can form sterol-cholesterol complexes.

You say-

"How come people keep passing large "stones" with such frequent "flushing" when the gallbladder is not that large, real stones that size cannot pass through the ducts and they don't even have time to grow real stones to that size between "flushes"?"

Some people are full of it.

Yes, some people are full of it alright.  Especially the ones that are claiming to have passed gallstones well in excess of the size that can possibly pass through the ducts.  Or that claim to have passed volumes of stones that far exceed the actual size of the gallbladder.

And as for others, well have a look at this link-

http://curezone.com/image_gallery/gallbladder_removed/

What about it?  They show a lot of real gallstones from removed gallbladders taken off of internet sites.  Actually, the photos just add more solid proof that the saponified olive oil people are passing are not real gallstones.  The saponified oil people are passing from flushing do not have the texture, shape color or much of anything else in common with real gallstones.

Imagine if all that shot out into the toilet, and then there was room for the liver to dump some more.

First of all most of those are too large to pass through the ducts in the first place.  Secondly, liver stones are not the same thing as gallstones.  Gallstones get their name because they form in the gallbladder.  Liver stones, which are very rare, are formed in the liver, thus their name.  I pointed this all out before as well and even posted proof of the rarity of real liver stones.

The fact that you did not know that gallstones are formed in the gallbladder, not the liver, really shows how little you know about the subject.

Well it would probably take a few weeks for that to happen.

To shoot out?  No.  If there is sludge present then this can be pushed out by the regular consumption of small amounts of oil with meals.  And it does not take long after the ingestion of oil to cause the gallbladder to contract.  Again, you really need to learn how the body really works.

And remember the picture of that fat guy I posted? I bet his liver was bigger than normal.

I have no idea of what photo you are talking about.  But betting is far being correct anyway.

Anyways if I have been a gullible fool and I am making myself sick with all this flushing, then I need to stop. And I have read and read but I do not see where you have told me what I could have done to end the pain, except a link to some place that sells a pharmaceutical drug made out of bear bile. And the chinese are raising bears to harvest the bile.

Apparently you have not been reading my posts.  First of all I made a list for you of things that can be done to dissolve existing stones and prevent stones from forming.  Secondly, I NEVER said anything about bear bile.  I said allopathic medicine has a long history of using OX bile to dissolve gallstones.  Oxen are not bears any more than the liver is the gallbladder.  You really need to get your facts straight!!!  In fact, here is a link to the post and my quote:

http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1939799#i

"Allopathic medicine for example has been using ox bile for this purpose for a very long time.  Bitters also work as does lecithin and increased fiber to raise bile levels."

The thing is that these threads are really complicated. Even the in box gets complicated quickly. I read a third of the way down and feel motivated to speak to you about a couple of points you have made, and don't want to forget, so I respond to part of what you have written. And then the phone rings and accidentally close the browser, or I have to go work for a while, and then when I come back, I can't find the thread that I only read half of to finish. So maybe you have told me. Or maybe you are just as confused as I am and you have told so many people you just think you told me.

I know for a fact that I posted the answer.  But you keep saying that I said things I never said, which points more to a comprehension problem on your part rather than my not providing the information.  Same reason I have had to repost the same answers for you over and over and over....

Or maybe you bury the information in so many irrelevant details it is too deep to find.

You have responded to virtually all my posts so how could you have missed it unless you were intentionally trying to avoid it? In fact, the answer is in the quote above about ox bile that you thought was bear bile.  Again, it is a comprehension problem on your part, not a failure of my not posting the information.

I have seen several blazing contradictions in what you have written, but bothered not to point them out,

Just because you think they are contradictions this does not make it so. Please post what you are claiming are contradictions so I can address them and we will see who is really correct.

as I am more interested in getting to the bottom of what bothers you so badly that you are on such a campaign.

I have simply pointed out the facts about "liver flushing" being a fraud.  You have been on the campaign of deceit making up facts, contradicting yourself right and left and continually making statements that I said things I never said.  All because you have no evidence to counter the real evidence I have already posted.  But you don't want to admit you are wrong either so doing whatever deceitful things you have to do to try and discredit me is your only option left.

Alls I know is that when the pain in my side came back this time, it came back not just on my left side, but my right side too.

So what makes you think that your left sided pain was from gallstones?  The gallbladder is on the right.  Did you ever stop to think that it could be something else like a peptic ulcer or gastritis?

I am taking digestive aids and liver cleansing herbs and chromium. I do not want this to progress to pancreatitis. So, if you would please post a message and label it-

REDUCE SLUDGE NATURALLY AND NEVER NEED ANOTHER FLUSH

I will book mark it and never ask again.

I posted it AGAIN in my quote above about the ox bile you thought was bear bile.

Another thing I don't really understand is how I could have gotten more than a pint of those rubber balls out, when I only drank a cup of olive oil mixed with a cup of lemon juice and there was a lot of oil in the toilet water.

And again, I have also answered this question multiple times.  The oil does not congeal on its own.  It involves bile.  And as stated before the soap stones formed do not have the density of either the oil or the bile alone thus they occupy more area than either ingredient alone.

Did you ever find the link to the scientific study that prove those things are soap? I did not drink any soap? How could they be soap?

Yes, I posted the studies a long time ago in the "liver flush " debate forum.  You do not have to ingest any soap, the oil is turned in to soap in the body.

Did you ever find the study showing that the dye makes it in to the gallbladder?

Why didn't my body melt them if they melt at room temperature and I am 97.2?

Also explained to you numerous times.  Why do you keep wasting my time asking the same old questions over and over that I already answered for you?  I still think you are trying to wear me down since all of your other tactics have failed.

Is it the oxygen. Could I melt them by taking oxycleanse?

Why would oxygen be a factor?  Heat can be produced without oxygen.