Re: Read again - the ASCO report WAS about human patients

 Amazing - you post a link to the actual ASCO report:

http://www.nerium.com/Journals/2009%20SIO%20Annual%20Meeting.pdf

and obviously did not bother to read the report, which was clearly about actual human patients - as anyone here who goes to the link can clearly see. 

LOL!!!  You obviously did not read the report yourself.  Fist of all the report is really no different than the abstracts already posted on Phase 1 trials that showed no benefit.  The only difference is that there were two more people added.

If you bothered to read your own link you would also have found where they state SEVERAL times that the longest period of time the drug worked to stabilize the cancer was in one patient that went 6 months with stability, which by the way is a pretty vague term.  Regardless, this clearly shows the cancers WERE NOT CURED, merely "stabilized" for a maximum of 6 months, which was only in one case of colon cancer.  Not very promising at all. 

Instead you gleefully pounced on background items in the introduction to the report and again posted about a previous toxicity only study of limited duration whose sole purpose was to determine maximum doseage of a different oleander medicine.

I pointed out that the same exact information from the Phase 1 trials, which showed no significant effect, was being presented again.  Was I wrong? No, not on either claim.  

Discounting all of the thousands of people who have successfully used oleander (many tens of thousands when you include HIV), how do you explain the case reports I posted links to and which you keep ignoring?

You mean all those unsubstantiated claims of cures?  Only a fool would accept unsubstantiated claims of cures as real evidence.  Anyone can make up claims, which is why the ability to verify these claims needs to be made available.  And again, even if the claims are true there is no way to find out what other things the person did including changes in diet or other therapies in conjunction that were the real reasons for the cures since the only human studies have shown no significant effect from oleander therapy.

I challenge you to find one single instance where I had a post removed which was not removed as a result of either being in a thread or being an answer to a post you made which was targeted for removal. 

ROTFLMAO!!!  You deleted the post and you are challenging me to find a deleted post.  Typical Tony games!!!!

Likewise the PM you refer to is obviously the one YOU received, which was the first one sent.  Like the removed posts, it was YOU who caused the PM to be sent, as the message I actually received made quite clear.

More Tony game, blame the victim.  You were the one that started the argument as I showed over and over.  But you refuse to accept responsibility even though I repeatedly showed the original post with an attack, which was yours.

What would you consider your above post to be, btw? 

A response to your continued attacks and games.

You have made it abundantly clear that you have a vendetta against me, and we both know that the truth is because I dared disagree with you. 

Another great example of Tony's projection issues.  The reason you have been so relentless in attacking me is because I showed an error in your reasoning back a while ago.  Of course you erased that post even though it was not an attack or a TOS violation and you have been on the warpath against me ever since.

Now, stop all the attacking and obsessing and let it go before yet another thread you hijacked gets moved from a support forum to a debate forum.

Why don't you start by taking your own advice Tony.  You are the biggest TOS violator on here, but you keep starting this stuff then blame everyone else.  Sounds like a little kid who punches his siblings then yells to mom that they hit him.  But Tony never grew up.

And typical of Tony he starts and continues the debates then threatens to hide or move the thread to the debate forums when his false claims are exposed.