Re: Are there any other explanations why the liver flush works?

 I already disproved the soapstone theory in this thread...

http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1679567

it is a non-issue.

ROTFLMAO!!!!!  Someone is rather delusional as their claims were readily debunked by this post:

http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1679907#i

Lisamarie did not even know the difference between potassium and sodium hydroxides, but she is trying to pass herself off as some type of expert on the subject. As we can see she was also making up claims that she claimed other people made such as sodium hydroxide being made from stomach acid.  Typical of people who have no facts to go on and have an inability to use real logic.  So they claim that other people made claims they never made to mislead others since that is the only skill they have to rely on.

What common sense?  Making up claims is not common sense by any stretch of the imagination!!!  Neither is ignoring the real science such as the magnesium hydroxide formed during the breakdown of magnesium sulfate, which has enough alkalinity to cause saponification.  So how is ignoring that fact common sense?  That just proves how ignorant you really are on the subject of "liver flushing".

I was even being very conservative in my estimates on the alkalinity of bile. In the worst case scenario for his argument, hydroxide is 3 million times more alkaline than
bile.

LOL!!! Again your rational was debunked in my response.  See my last statement above.  Ignoring the real facts of science IS NOT going to make your case any stronger.  All it does is show how far you are willing to manipulate things to make your case.  For example, you have also ignored the evidence previously posted in cows producing the same fecal soaps as are being produced by the so-called "liver flushes".  Yet that is without the magnesium sulfate.  So apparently your lack of alkalinity claim is total rubbish, just like your other claims have been proven to be.

If Lisamarie had even the slightest clue of what she was talking about then she she would have been aware of the process of saponificaiton by bile, as I pointed out in my response.  Just more proof of how Lisamarie ignores the real facts to rely on made up claims to back her case.  In other words my superior logic and scientific evidence trumped her made up, unsubstantiated claims she presented as "evidence".

I think the bicycle analogy is great!

Yes it led to a response showing why people should not rely on assumptions like Lisamarie is doing.  Just makes the person look absolutely foolish!!!  Especially when they go further by making up lies to make themselves look more knowledgeable than they think they are and to manipulate others in to believing the same.  This is also why Lisamarie's response was so easy to debunk.  Real evidence and science will always squash made up claims by people that have no idea what they are talking about.

I can speak from personal experience and say that I tried bitters long before I even tried the liver flush. James ASSumes that just taking bitters (yes James I know that they have to pass over the tongue and not in a capsule) will resolve all liver stagnation. Bitters, unfortunately did not do much for me. I sincerely wish they had. Thankfully i moved on to the flushes and they worked like a charm.

And what tests do you have to prove that the bitters did nothing and the so-called "liver flushes" cleansed the gallbladder of real gallstones?  Sorry I won't take your word for it, but you have been caught in too many lies already for me to be that trusting of your unfounded claims.

Spudly's experience is completely discredited, mainly because (he/she?) has only done one flush. perhaps Spudly would make headway with the asperger's if he/she actually did the Liver Flushes (capital S for plural) properly.

It has not helped your lying and manipulating habits.


If you were to actually spend more than 30 seconds reading on the Liver Flush Forum you would know that it is a process that involves many flushes over a long period of time to achieve results. typically people feel worse or nothing after one flush.

And again, where is the proof that those big blobs being passed are real gallstones?  Oh, that's right, there is NONE!!!!  All the lab tests have proven that these blobs are really saponified olive oil.  A fact that the "liver flush" supporters just keep ignoring because they do not want to admit that what they believe in is really quackery.  Same reason they rely on false science and manipulations to promote their points of view rather than real evidence.

This was the case with me too, but luckily I had educated myself properly on the subject and it wasn't until about my 30th flush that i experienced the remarkable results that people post about.

Sure, and the Pope is a Jehova's Witness.  Again with all the lies and manipulations you have been caught doing I would not believe a thing you claimed even if the most honest person in the world vouched for you.

I am seeing an all too familiar pattern with the other naysayer and that is one of financial and other agendas behind the skepticism. i notice that he i$ actively pur$uing patent$ on herbal formula$, and where there i$ $moke there is fire. in other words... follow the money trail!!!!

ROTFLMAO!!!!!!  And what are those patents and how do they even remotely apply as a competitor to "liver flushing"?  Again you just provided another great example of how far you are willing to go with your manipulations to promote your ineffective and dangerous agenda.  Keep up the good work of discrediting yourself.

On a side note your posting of my real name is a violation of TOS, which appears to be for the purpose of making me a target.  That is a pretty low tactic.  I am not surprised though that you would resort to such means being that all your lies and manipulations have failed you so far.  It is interesting though that you have spent so much time researching my writings as well.  You are on the verge of a cyber-stalker status.

I would also put this question to the Antiflusher

Is there a single book or practitioner, other than yourself, that you would recommend to people?

Dr. Michael Murray has written a number of great books on health.  So Murray for one.  And I know a few local naturopathic doctors that I have referred people to a number of times.

what i see in the truth (lol, cough cough) in medicine forum, is mainly the same people, running around in circles, blindly following James because he comes off as an authority figure, throwing around a few technical sounding phrases that make people cower and think that they are not in his league. what i also see there is a lot of people who aren't really making any headway with their health problems, hopping from this herb to that herb.

LOL!!!  You are so jealous that people have actually gotten better by following my advice unlike the feces fetish pluckers on the liver flush support forum who would say or do anything so they do not have to give up their fetish.  There is a good reason that I have only had my forum for 18 months and yet out of the top 300 forums mine is ranked 38th currently.  My forum gets between 3,000-5,000 views a day because I do not come up with wild, bogus claims like the "liver flush" supporters do.  I provide real facts and I work to back the claims I have made with real, proven evidence.  Apparently you have found that to be true as well since you have spent so much time on my forum going  through my posts.

what i see in the liver flush forum regularly are stories like this: I just resolved a health problem i had for over 20 years with my last flush. how could this be? could the liver flush be so powerful that my longstanding problem can just vanish?

Could have have been psychosomatic illnesses.  Could have been a placebo effect.  Could have been a coincidence..............   Again your claims mean absolutely NOTHING without some sort of real evidence, which you and the other fetishers have failed to come up with despite so many requests!!!