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InnerCalm,
There was no reason at all (from my point of view) for you to make your previous post your "last words on this forum". My only request was that you didn't post about belief systems.
But, since that's what you've chosen (and since your last post was filled with all kinds of erroneous accusations...some extremely negative), I will certainly honor your statement and use the CZ technology to ensure that those really were your 'last words on this forum'.
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Greetings all,
 
Since I seem to have lost my "ESP chip" and my "gifted psychic chip" (but not my "logic chip")...rather than replying personally/directly to Inner Calm, I'm going to run IC's post through the ole"spin detector" (in the same manner I did with the "FDA attacks Comfrey - let's analyze the spin" post I recently made here:More Truth - let's get down to it! :) Re: Comfrey, FDA Ban July 9, 2001,... )
 
I'm doing this for two reasons: 1) I want to set the record straight publicly regarding what IC has implied about me 2) As a 'learning opportunity' for those that would like to learn more about how to detect "spin" and prevent themselves from being adversely affected by it.
 
Note: "spin" is typically defined as a manipulation of words & presentation in order to implant or insert information into our mind (typically untrue information, often mixed with 'truths' we all know), that the presenter wants the reader/listener to believe...and cause them to believe that "they themselves" have reasoned to be true. That is clearly the case of the FDA/Comfrey "spin information" the FDA presented (above), but I have no way of knowing what IC's intent was (and I'm not implying that I do). I'm just running it through my 'spin detector'.  It's up to you to discern what IC was implying (if it concerns you).
The one thing I do have a way of knowing for sure, is what is true and not true about me and the reasons for my own actions.
 
Onward...
 
Before 'spin detecting', I'd like to clarify what exactly I do identify as "very deep ugliness, negativity and disrespect surrounding posts involving you and others' belief systems". (These are quotes from IC's past posts on debate forums (where sarcasm abounds), and they are completely taken out of context.  Hence I've provided the 'thread link' so they can be viewed 'in context'. This sampling does NOT represent the vast majority of IC's posts regarding others' belief system & spirituality, just the aspect that I do/did not want to see manifested in this forum:
In your case Jesus will save you. For the rest of us we can't rely on fantasy or psychosis. http://curezone.com/forums/am.asp?i=1552757
If you have read the bible and if you view pictures of mutilated bsbies you are very much into p 0 r n. http://curezone.com/forums/am.asp?i=1607940&s=3#i41
Ramble on. There may be some drunk gnomes that are tuned into your god-a-rama.  http://curezone.com/forums/am.asp?i=1530387&s=2#i21
Okay Bong. Get some rest. Regroup and remember to ask for your portion of the shared braincell back. You may have to trick Jack for it but if you need some help I can get a preschooler to help you. curezone.com/forums/am.asp
Sarcasm is "god's funny bone being hit when the holographic aspects of "himself" take "himself"... ..so god damn serious.   Lighten up everyone... ...by the flickering of hell fire while "god's" discarded work warms the souls of his children who kissed hi ass real gooooooood. ;-) Toss another one on the fire. http://curezone.com/forums/am.asp?i=1561189&s=2#i21
 
Since I believe I can safely assume IC was quite aware of what IC had posted regarding various 'belief systems' (and that those posts can be easily be construed as 'ugliness, negativity & disrespect' regarding others' belief systems') - and since IC had recently posted this: That said it is very appropriate for UNY to remove that kind of energy from this forum to supply a safe haven for sharing healing support. http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1609891#i ...I honestly felt when I requested IC not to post further regarding belief systems, that IC would have responded with something like:
 
 "Apparently you've read my past posts and I can sure see how you might be concerned about my posting in regard to others' belief systems being negative/ugly/disrespectful...and I know you don't want that kind of energy here, and I respect that."
 
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Additional explanation on the" forum/belief" system issue: Discussions/threads regarding various belief systems & spirituality (on forums and in person) have a tendency to become very 'negative energy', very quickly ...and when this became a topic it wasn't difficult to see this has been the case in past threads involving various beliefs, belief systems and IC. So I wanted to 'head it off at the pass'.
I'm particularly aware that going beyond "the most general of generalities" of people's personal belief systems can cause offense and unintended mistrust, fear & anger (and general 'uncomfortableness').  People grow at their own personal pace.  The old adage to not discuss "politics & religion in mixed company" didn't get to be an old adage for nothing.  This is why I suggested IC invite folks to another forum - so that those that would like to discuss IC's belief system could be in an environment that's more conducive to that type of learning & discussion.  (Note: I realize that IC doesn't consider his 'belief system' to be a belief system - and I also realize that almost everyone believes their own belief system to be 'the Truth').
 
I don't ever want anyone to feel like there is some particular type of belief system that "belongs" to this forum or is necessary for their healing - because there's not and never will be!
 
If any of us feel comfortable sharing our own meditations, prayers, growth-realizations and/or positive praise (without attempting to 'teach or preach' others), I think that is wonderful...and definitely part of the healing process, and very welcome here.
 
On to the "spin detection"...
 
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"I hope you can/will respect this. Curezone is like unto a "glass house" - and I've seen some very deep ugliness, negativity and disrespect surrounding posts involving you and others' belief systems...and I don't want even the slightest shard of it here."

^Before your edit^ 
--The snippet (above) was not changed with my edit, so I have no idea what the purpose of mentioning 'before edit' is about.

What I shared was simple and did not need your negative response and attempt to paint me in a negative light. 
--This implies the untruth that my response was negative and that I was trying to make IC "look bad".
--I wasn't being negative - identifying a potential problem and wanting to ensure it doesn't manifest itself, is something that is very positive.  
--I wasn't trying to make IC 'look bad' or paint IC in a negative light. I was attempting to avoid a potential problem and give the simplest, least accusatory response I could give that would explain the reason for my request to IC not to post on this forum regarding 'belief systems'. 
--I can't paint anyone in a negative light; they can only do that for themselves.
 
This is the same "shoot the messenger" tactic used by others...
--This implies/embeds the untruth that I was using some kind of "tactic" and was "shooting the messenger".  I was simply requesting that IC not post here regarding belief systems (and included the reasons for my request). No tactic - no 'shoot the messenger'.
 
 ...who will not explore beyond their current paradigm.
--This implies/embeds the untruth that I will not explore past my current "paradigm" (and also implies that erroneous statement has something to do with me doing that 'shoot the messenger thing', which I also didn't do). Whether I will/will not explore past any paradigm of my own, has nothing to do with me doing my best to ensure this forum remains a 'haven of healing' without negative energy & disrespectful posting.
 
What is a paradigm? (in relationship to this discussion)?
  • the generally accepted perspective of a particular discipline at a given time; "he framed the problem within the psychoanalytic paradigm"
    wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn
  • The word paradigm ( or //; from Greek: παράδειγμα (paradeigma), composite from para- and the verb δείκνυμι "to show", as a whole roughly meaning "example") has been used in linguistics and science to describe distinct concepts.
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradigm
  • In the behavioural sciences, e.g. Psychology, Biology, Neurosciences, an experimental paradigm is an experimental setup (i.e. a way to conduct a certain type of experiment) that is defined by certain fine-tuned standards and often has a theoretical background. ...
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradigm_(experimental)
  • An example serving as a model or pattern; A set of all forms which contain a common element, especially the set of all inflectional forms of a word or a particular grammatical category; A system of assumptions, concepts, values, and practices that constitutes a way of viewing reality; A ...
    en.wiktionary.org/wiki/paradigm
  • A paradigm is a pattern or example. In business it is a framework of behaviors or set of rules action governing people's actions and assumptions.
    www.acethecase.com/site/1438552/page/875389
  • term used interchangeably with the term conceptual model (Fawcett, 1995). An organizing framework that contains the concepts, theories, assumptions, beliefs, values, and principles that inform a discipline on how to interpret subject matter of concern. ...
    classes.kumc.edu/son/nrsg750/lpallikk/unit1/term1.html
  • paradigms - Logical systems made up of theories and research techniques which reflect a predominant way of thinking about a particular topic.
    psy.st-andrews.ac.uk/resources/glossary.shtml
I suppose (as a forum owner) I don't have to explain the reasons for my request, but I would want someone to explain why they were asking me not to post on a certain topic if they asked me to stop...so I explained my request was because "seen some very deep ugliness, negativity and disrespect surrounding posts involving you and others' belief systems...and I don't want even the slightest shard of it here." and "While it may not seem so to you, discussions about belief systems (whether you believe 'your understanding' to be a belief system or not) are fraught with the potential for negative debate & energy. At this point in the forum's growth, I don't find it wise for anything but the most general of generalities regarding belief systems to be 'threads of discussion'...especially not when there are plenty of other forums where there is much more agreement."
 
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It simply shows that there is something going on deeper in your psyche fro you to be sensitive to the information.
 
--This implies/embeds the untruth that the reason for me asking IC not to post regarding belief systems has something do with something 'deeper in my psyche' and that I am somehow 'sensitive' to the belief system information IC offered. This is not true. So that statement does not 'simply show' what the author presented as a truth.
What my post/request showed is/was my exact intention, no more - no less: "discussions about belief systems (whether you believe 'your understanding' to be a belief system or not) are fraught with the potential for negative debate & energy. At this point in the forum's growth, I don't find it wise for anything but the most general of generalities regarding belief systems to be 'threads of discussion'...especially not when there are plenty of other forums where there is much more agreement."
 
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A far as the "ugliness" you imply, may want to heed your own words.
 
--I didn't "imply" anything. I said, "I've seen some very deep ugliness, negativity and disrespect surrounding posts involving you and others' belief systems ", and I had evidence of the same. I already make every effort to 'heed my own words' and ensure that I don't post negativity, disrespectfully or 'deep ugliness' (unless it's about the PTB who are negative, disrespectful & ugly to our health and we need to be aware of it to ensure our health).
 
Passive agressive natures are no cover for what they attempt to hide.
 
--This statement implies/embeds the untruth that I am passive aggressive, and that I am hiding something (from myself or others)...and that IC is qualified to diagnose passive-aggressiveness in someone IC has never even met...and that IC's untrue diagnosis has something to do with my requesting IC not post about belief systems.
 
Take a good look in the mirror. Perhaps you are running from your own nature being mirrored back and it frightens you.
 
--This statement implies that if I look deeply into myself/reasoning, that I might see that I am 'running from own nature' --whatever that could mean-- and that it frightens me....and that it has something to do with my requesting that IC not post about belief systems.
 
I am not passive-aggressive.  I was simply doing what I clearly stated I was doing (which is/was identifying a potential problem and doing my best to ensure it didn't become a problem). 
 
Guestimations of my own 'psyche & paradigms' (and attempted & erroneous 'deep interpretation' of my intent), have nothing to do with me as a forum owner wanting to ensure that negative & disrespectful discussions don't happen here. I happen to be quite sure why I do the things I do.  And I'm sure none of us like to hear/read, "No, the reason you're doing what you're doing is NOT why you say you are doing it...I know why you're really doing it". Besides, that's basically accusing/claiming that someone is a liar.
 
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Take a look at many of your posts and look at the language you often use. It will give you clues as to what is going on in your subconscious. There may be an area of healing that when discovered, may give you deeper levels of freedom and peace. 
 
--This statement implies/embeds the untruth...(something like) that I don't know what is going on in my subconscious, and if I'd reread my posts I could attain the deeper levels of freedom & peace IC feels I need? And this has something to do with my request that IC not post here about belief systems? 
 
 
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I will respect the power you wield in the forum you have created and effectively walled off from curezone.
--This dual statement implies/embeds/insinuates a major untruth - that somehow I have created a forum where I (egoically?) "wield" some type of "power" that I "demand" be respected...and that I have isolated this forum from CZ in order to have that power (or something like that). Or maybe it just means that IC respects my well-meaning request.
--To my knowledge, this is the only private forum on CZ that allows cross-posting, so I have not "effectively walled off" this forum from CZ (although many people have emailed me to stress they wish I would request the cross-posting be turned off...and I'm beginning to think it may be time to do that).
--CZ is many times a place of disrespect, lies and very hurtful words...so yes, I do want this forum to not be exposed to that.
--This forum didn't start out as me 'requesting it'....it was requested to the Webmaster that I should have a forum. After talking/meditating/praying about with Rocky for a few days (and realizing the incredible strings of 'bizarre coincidences' that had been happening for years, added up to "forum"), I posted that I would 'officially' accept/request a forum (but to give me a couple-three weeks to create the FAQs), and the next morning I had an opened forum.
--No matter what IC was implying, I want to make something very clear! I ABSOLUTELY DESPISE "POLICING" THIS FORUM, or being a 'playground monitor' or 'wielding power' or anything of the sort (over anybody, anytime, anywhere).
I hate it - I Hate It - I HATE IT!!!
 I used to LOVE being a food-server and bartender (which I did on & off for years between my 'respectful jobs')...so I thought I'd love being a restaurant manager. But it was THE worst job I ever had in my life...because I do NOT like "disciplining" anybody - and I don't understand why people won't discipline themselves! (However, I did score higher and 'did it better' than any of my counterparts - because I did choose the job, and I committed & promised 'the company' that I would do my best). I'm a free spirit (Gemini, too) - and I hate to be disciplined or controlled in ANY way by anybody else, so I definitely don't want to "do it" to anybody else.
 
BUT, Rocky and I have a calling & mission that is deeply etched into our hearts - and that's to create a place where people can come to learn to heal themselves naturally in an environment of positive energy, love & respect. And that means that I have to do the very thing I despise.  I have made a commitment and accepted the responsibility to a higher power, to the people on this forum, and to myself and my husband. So, no matter the stress, no matter the tears, no matter how much "wasted time", no matter the frustration, no matter HOW much I hate it...my first responsibility is to ensure the foundation of this forum is solid.  And I AM going to do that...even if means that one or more people (that have never met me) think (or publicly accuse me) of being some kind of psychotic, passive-aggressive, subconsciously sublimated, 'closed to new paradigms', control-mongering, power-wielding bitch!
 
Either my --and my precious husband's self-sacrifice (giving up a gloriously peaceful career/artistry that we'd both devoted 20 years to building & mastering), my posting history, our caring and love (and the healing fruits it helps create) all speak for themselves, or they don't.  And you can bet your backside that I am NOT going to be wasting time defending myself against false accusations and lies again!  
 
 
Greater people than me have been falsely accused of far worse than I'm being accused of, and somehow they learned to ignore it, stay on track and accomplish their purpose & mission. And somehow, I will learn to have peace when people accuse me falsely...and I ask for all your prayers & 'energy' to help me develop that peace.
 
 
A wall that has very likely been created so that your sensibilities will never be challenged to grow outside of your mere physical healing paradigm. 
 
--What a crock! This statement implies/embeds the untruth that I have EVER insinuated that one needs only to heal their physical body, and that the other two aspects of our triunity somehow don't matter. And that the wall of protection I have (failingly) tried to create is intended 'prevent my sensibilities from being challenged' so I won't grow into the emotional/spiritual healing (that Schulze, Christopher, hence I) already address. two words: hog wash.
--It's not "my" healing paradigm in the first place - in the second place it was "me" that added EFT to the IP (so that people would 'get' that some kind of emotional/energy healing is always part of the healing process).

If those words seem "ugly" to you, then it may be time to take an honest account of things.
 
--This is OH-so typical of "spin" - this statement implies/embeds that if I react in any way to untruthful accusations & implications (any way that might seem "ugly" to others), that I must have something I need 'to take an honest account of'. What I need to take an honest account of is that I tend to react in an ugly fashion when I'm accused of things I don't do (or problems I don't have, or emotional syndromes I've never experienced, or blockages that have been addressed long ago, or intents I've never intended). Yep, that makes me ugly. I admit it.

BTW,
passive aggressive natures are the ultimate cover ups of negativity beyond the posturing. 
 
--I guess I'm too 'simple' to understand what that statement is meant to imply exactly (and I'm pretty sure I'm happy about that :)
:::insert big wet fat raspberry here::: I don't "posture", the only time I'm truly negative is when others accuse me falsely, and no matter how many times someone tries to make me 'passive aggressive', it's still not true.
 
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Look in the mirror before you pass judgment on others. 
 
--This statement seems meant to imply/embed untruthfully that I am a judgmental person....simply because I read IC's past 'belief system' posts, didn't want that kind of energy in this forum, and asked him not to post on that subject.
--Judgment is totally different from "identification".  If one sees a brutal murder take place, it's not passing judgment to say the person that did the murdering is a murderer...that's simple identification.  If one decides & judges "that murderer is a worthless, unredeemable, slug that doesn't deserve to breath", then that's a judgment and being judgmental.
 
I read IC's posts to others regarding their belief systems, and I identified I didn't want that kind of post in this forum, so I asked IC not to post about belief systems in this forum (and explained why). I-DENT-I-FI-CATION, not judgementalism.

Any paradigm that leaves out belief systems is lacking power as witnessed by many people who tend to loop in the same patterns within such limited paradigms.
 
--This statement (again) implies/embeds the untruth that my "paradigm" leaves out 'belief systems' (again, because I asked IC not to post about belief systems because I'd seen negativity & disrespect in IC's previous posts regarding belief systems).
--I agree, any paradigm that leaves out addressing issues of belief systems (both positive & negative) is lacking power - and those that haven't fully examined their own beliefs, many times do "loop" within the limits of what they believe. But that doesn't mean me asking IC not to post about belief systems (for the clear & logical reasons I have stated) causes me to be guilty of that 'lack'.

I always find it interesting when people use the "piss on anything that challenges them" approach with the patent "blessing" after.
 
­­--This statement implies/embeds the untruth that I was challenged by what IC has posted, then "pissed on it", then closed my post with insincere 'blessings' afterward.
--I wasn't challenged by anything IC posted, nor did I "piss on anything". I have reviewed many of IC's posts about spirituality & belief systems and when IC posted about belief systems...I explained that due to the content of his past posts, I would like IC not to post about belief systems here. Me -- not challenged - not pissing on IC. It's my job to "identify" potential problems and do my best to ensure they don't manifest.
 
It really shows the deeper aspect of what is going on. Okay, so what is the deeper aspect of my NOT being challenged and NOT "pissing on anything" and offering my sincere blessing in closing my post... going to be "spun into"?  it is reminiscent of the "smile tis your choice"..kind of mentality after the messenger has personally trashed the person. Same meal, different entree. Aaah, that's a good one...now I'm like Moreless! But I wasn't challenged, I didn't piss, and I wasn't insincere.
--Again, I didn't personally "trash" or "judge" IC...and then throw out some sarcastic 'smile tis your choice' close.   IC's posts caused me to see a potential problem that I did not want brought here. The only person that can trash IC is IC.

For anyone else here who can see beyond this power play, So, just like the FDA (making an erroneous conclusion based on the spin they created), now IC is concluding that because I didn't want his 'belief system posting history' to be repeated here, and asked him not to post regarding belief systems...that you should see that as a power play...and look beyond it to find what?...
If things don't pan out as you are being promised, with cleansing alone, ...that I have promised you something that might not pan out by 'cleansing alone' and that you're likely to be disappointed. But "cleansing" (as you all well know) is but a small part of the healing methodology of Christopher, Schulze & Gerson. Barefooting, sunlight, exercise, nutrition, restorative herbs, hot/cold, EFT, laughter, flow,  etc. etc., are all part of healing our complete selves. So I don't recommend "cleansing alone" so IC's comment is invalid.
 
release yourself from all gurus (perhaps now it's being insinuated that y'all have devoted yourself to me as your guru?) and make the necessary changes within yourself which may include dietary changes, belief system changes, etc.
 
Do y'all know what a guru actually is? It's a person that is (or claims to be) a spiritually enlightened soul, who can dispel darkness, ignorance and illusion from the mind and enlighten the consciousness of a devotee/disciple. Traditionally (and likely in the sense IC is using the term), someone that is a devote or disciple of a particular guru doesn't make changes in their life (spiritual, emotional or physical) without approval or permission of their guru.   I'm NOT anyone's guru...I can barely "guru myself" lol.
 
We all have our individual strengths & weaknesses. We all have special callings and attributes. Mine is NOT (and never has been) to be any kind of a spiritual leader or guru on an online forum. That is a VAST RESPONSIBILITY, one that I am not qualified to do. Actually, I'm fairly certain that no one "online" (that doesn't know someone else personally) is qualified to guide anyone in more than the most 'general of generalities' spiritually (and sometimes not even emotionally).
 
I may someday (when the time is right for the forum, or when I'm IP coaching someone individually) go through some of the things I perceive and believe the PTB have done to the various belief systems over the centuries to disempower us and make us believe that we are separate from "God" (or whatever one wants to name as the energy/Light that animates all of our bodies). But this is a VERY personal & individual thing for us all. And while being a subject that may be necessary for someone's healing, it's also a subject (as we all know) that can easily degrade into VERY serious ugliness, disrespect and negativity. And that can cause a LOT of harm...first physician, do NO harm. 
 
So while I encourage us all (as did Schulze & Christopher) to become closer & more connected to whatever we each believe is our 'higher power' (and to be accepting & giving of love & respect)...I also respect the intricacies and deep-seated emotions of each of your belief systems enough not to challenge, disrespect, or claim that 'mine' is better or more healing & true.
 
It is YOUR path. Take responsibility for YOURself. That's what I've been a'sayin' since the forum opened!
 
Healthiest of blessings - in truth and love,
Unyquity
 

 

 
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