Re: What Grz is saying -

 That sacred mirrors abound.

He's not making ML & friends out to be victims - he's saying that sacred mirrors are as fractured and complex as the people that choose to look into them or throw shards once it's been broken.

I guess that is a matter of opinion, but I still disagree. I see it as Grz making them out as victims. Again, here is the quote:

"It is unfortunate, however due to the constant persecution of ML and those who chose to follow his protocol, the forum did seem to degrade into that."

Now show me exactly where in this statement where he mentions the massive amount of persecution Moreless and his cult have committed on many other CZ posters. Persecution is not defending yourself against the constant barrage of lies and attacks by others. It is the act of the lies and attacks. In my case I have had to defend myself from persecution by the Moreless cult because it continued even when I tried to ignore Moreless and his supporters for a while. But after that while one gets tired of all the attacks and lies and decides to defend themselves. So how is this persecuting Moreless? To insinuate that this is persecuting the aggressor is nothing more than trying to make the aggressor look like the victim.