Why make yourself sick…( R for whole thread)

I believe all of us want to lead a healthy life. We go down different paths, but share a common goal. When illness overtakes us, we reach out clawing and scratching our way back to health.

Fortunately, there are a lot of “helps” available to us to help us back to health.

The Miracle-Mineral-Supplement protocol is one of those “helps.”

Almost from the very beginning, people have been asking “is Miracle-Mineral-Supplement safe?” We have had a lot of accusations going back and forth about the safety of Miracle-Mineral-Supplement , and there isn’t any long term answers. MMS hasn’t been around long enough to develop long term answers.

Chlorine Dioxide has been around for a long time, and has been used in water treatment and as a sanitizer for a long time, so perhaps we can take a look over there and get some answers.

First of all, let’s stop for a moment and go back and review what everyone has written about their experiences with MMS. Don’t worry, this post isn’t going anywhere, and I don’t plan on deleting it. So just stop now, go back to the beginning and take a couple of hours to see how people have responded to the MMS protocol.

Welcome back.

When I did this, I noticed that most people did well at first, but as they increased their drops, they began feeling nauseous. Often they commented on diarrhea, but there were no mentions of burning sensations in their mouth or throat.

CLO2 is very powerful, and the immediate reaction was that it was killing and releasing copious amounts of toxins and the body was having a hard time getting rid of them.

This all sounds good, but after a while this “fella” named Bruce jumps in warning about the dangers associated with ClO2. Before we deal with Bruce, let take a look at what Jim Humble has to say about the MMS protocol.

In Africa, working with people who have malaria, he gave them a 15 drop dose, properly activated and diluted, followed by another 15 drop dose an hour later. He says

[quote=Jim Humble] “Has anyone been hurt? No. Thousands of patients later there are only thousands of happy, well people with [no]one claiming any lasting negative side effects. In actuality, there are a few instant reactions in about one out of a hundred people, but that’s not side effects. The reaction normally lasts less than 30 minutes.” [/quote]

Just a minute now! When I went back and read peoples experiences, I didn’t notice them being done with their side effects in 30 minutes. Just what is going on here?

I think we all accept that the “herx” reaction is real. Can we also agree that, in high concentrations, ClO2 can give side effects that are very similar to the “herx” reaction?

I set out to answer the question of what is going on, and what is causing people to become nauseated while following the MMS protocol.

Bruce claims that he has been around Sodium Chlorite and ClO2 for many years. Over the last 30 years, I have been in and out of Pulp and Paper mills, and water treatment plants. I also have had a lot of experience around Cl2 and ClO2. Some of what Bruce says rings true with me.

On the other hand, Jim Humble maintains that the MMS protocol is safe.

It’s time to run some tests to find out what is going on.

I am a healthy person. My motive for exploring MMS is that I have several friends that are challenged with cancer, and I just wanted to make sure about my own state of health. I started with 3 drops of MMS, properly activated it, diluted it and took it. Nothing happened. A couple of hour later, I took a 6 drop dose. That evening I took another 6 drop dose. The next day I mixed two 6 drop doses and took them. The same in the evening. Now I am up to two 6 drop doses morning and evening. After a few days of this, I went up to three 6 drop doses morning and evening. After about a week of this, I dropped back to a single 6 drop dose a day. During all of this, I had no side effects.

My wife suspected that I may have some bad product, so I exchanged a bottle with a friend. My friend was having some side effects, but I still did not have any.

Reading on in Jim Humbles book I find that the MMS solution is supposed to start out at around 3 ppm free ClO2, and when we take it, it is supposed to be at around 1 ppm.

When backpacking I use the MIOX water purifier by Mountain Safety Research. MSR, in their kit, provides some test strips to measure the concentration of the MIOX solution in the water you are trying to purify. Unfortunately, my scale shows 3 shades of purple that indicate Too Low, OK, and OK+. I am not sure just what those test strips are checking, but there must be a way to measure ClO2 concentrations.

I found ClO2 test strips at Cole Parmer. They offer a tube of 50 test strips that measure in the range of 0 – 10 ppm ClO2. This is just what I am looking for. The cost was $8.33 US, before shipping. I also picked up some PH strips and a couple of other things to round out the order.

Now I can do some tests.

Bruce says that if you mix up your solution and observe a yellow vapor rising from it, your mixture is too strong. If you sniff in the vapor, or drink the mixture without diluting it, you will make yourself sick. All of this is true.

This led me to look at the measurement techniques being used. I don’t know about you, but when the bottle is partially used, it is difficult to maintain a uniform sized drop. Occasionally, I end up with an extra drop or two. The same goes for the activator. I am using ReaLime in an 8 oz bottle. Ever tried to pour drops out of a bottle?

The reason Jim uses drops for the MMS measurement is because very little is needed. With much practice, tilting the bottle down at around a 20 degree angle off of horizontal, I can get a pretty good drop, and have control over how many drops I squeeze out.

My handy measuring spoon set doesn’t go down to the 1/50 teaspoon that would represent my 6 drop dose.

However, the activator is another story. 30 drops is around 1.54 milliliters. A metric ¼ teaspoon is about 24 drops, so I need 6 drops beyond a ¼ teaspoon. Jim says a little extra is no big deal, so I just estimate the additional 6 drops.

Now here comes the key part.

Jim then says to dilute the activated mixture with 1/3 to 2/3 cup of water or juice.

Well, which is it?

This turns out to be a very critical measurement. As Bruce is quick to remind us, the activated mixture is quite strong. When you get up to higher drops, it is even stronger. I ran some tests and found that for a 12 drop dose, properly activated, if I only put 100 milliliters of water in it, the free ClO2 was way up at around 10 ppm. 100 milliliters is just over 1/3 cup.

Guess what? If you drink a 10 ppm solution of ClO2, you will get nauseous, and have diarrhea. This is what Bruce has been trying to tell us. Now, if we follow what Jim Humble says, we only want a solution that has around 1 ppm.

On top of this, many people are diluting the activated solution with differing fruit juices. I tested various juices and they all brought down the ppm of free ClO2 by differing amounts. Using water gives you the strongest solution, so you have to add more water than juice. The only way to keep track of this is to test the solution before you drink it.

As a matter of fact, I had some apple juice that had no mention of having Vitamin C added, but when I added 2 oz or 60 milliliters of it to a 10 ppm solution, the available free ClO2 dropped to 0 ppm. Other juices worked fine, but how is someone supposed to know without running a test on what they are using.

Here is my suggestion.

If you are just playing around with MMS, you can use whatever you want to when diluting the activated solution. If you are ill and are expecting to see some results, dilute it with water and test your solution to make sure you are at around the 1 ppm of free ClO2.

OK, I can hear you now… “I put the juice in to help with the taste.” There is a way around that. I find that my 6 drop dose in 200 milliliters of water gives me about the correct free ppm of ClO2, and I can drink it down without trouble. When I go up to a 12 drop dose, I simply make up two of the 6 drop doses. Still easy to drink down, and I have moved up in strength. My solutions are all about the same, the safe 1 ppm free ClO2 that Jim Humble is calling for, and at that concentration, the smell and taste are not horrible.

I have been exposed to high concentrations of both Cl2 and ClO2 and have seen and been around others that have been exposed as well. This includes both gas exposure and ingesting the stuff by accident. The reaction after ingesting is almost always the same as long as the concentrations are at the low end of high. Initially you will have a grumbling in your stomach, and a nauseas feeling, and after a few hours, explosive diarrhea. At high concentrations you end up in the hospital with a burned mouth, burned throat, and a burned airway and lungs. If it gets into your eyes, you end up with chemical burns there as well. In high concentrations it is life threatening.

Now, let’s look at water treatment. When I treat lake or stream water with my MIOX system, I am going for around a 5 – 10 ppm of free Cl2 or ClO2 remaining in solution after about 10 minutes. I am not sure exactly what the MIOX system produces, but think the major component is Cl2. I then have to let this sit, out of direct sunlight, for 4 hours to kill everything off and have pure water to drink. Depending on how bad the water is, you end up with a slight Cl2 smell at the end of the 4 hours. I have tested my water and noticed that whatever level is left just barely turns the indicator strip purple. I have later discovered that this level is about 2 ppm.

This is my baseline. I have gone for 8 days drinking 4 – 6 liters of 2 ppm water a day and had no reaction to it. Also, I was not alone, but several of us were together during these camping trips. Several years of this serves as my baseline of tolerance.

Having made the discovery that different solutions can have differing ppm levels of free ClO2, I decided to “take one for the team.”

I have been on the MMS protocol for about 6 weeks. I worked my way up to 18 drops twice a day, and have had no side effects.

I decided to take two 12 drop doses (I was going for the malaria cure, but missed it by 3 drops…) about 2 hours apart. With my test strips I was able to dilute the solution down, but with my normal dilution, the solution was somewhere between 5 – 10 ppm of free ClO2 available. Keep in mind that this is much higher than what Jim Humble recommends, but it was a normal mix for my 6 drop doses.

A little while after taking the second dose, my stomach started gurgling. At 3 am, I jumped out of bed and sat on the toilet with explosive diarrhea. I immediately mixed up a couple of packages of Emergen-C and started drinking a lot of water. A couple of more rounds on the toilet finished cleaning me out and I recovered. There is no way this was a detox reaction. I simply took too strong a ClO2 solution.

A day later, I am back to normal, and it is time to continue with the test.

This time I took the same two 12 drop doses, separated by about 2 hours, but this time I made sure they were diluted down to the point where my test strips were indicating that I had about 2 - 3 ppm of free ClO2.

This time I am staying very close to Jim Humbles recommendations, and guess what happened? Nothing. My stomach did not grumble, and no diarrhea.

While this is not a perfect “double blind” test, I think it goes a long way toward explaining some of what is going on with the people taking MMS. Without testing, you don’t know if you are really getting the 1 ppm you need to allow it to work, and you don’t know if you are getting too much which will make you sick.

I think Bruce expressed some real concerns, and I think we should take another look at what he is saying and critically examine it. If nothing else, please, reach down deep into your pocket and get the $8.33 + shipping for some test strips. Do your own testing and let’s compare results.

Remember, the idea is to get well and stay healthy.

Tom Tweet