What is your disease? What have you tried? Perhaps I can help . . . .?

I agree with you on The Cure For All Diseases - I said good remedies, not quackery.

DQ

PS -

1. It was Val Kilmer as Doc Holliday in Tombstone

2. Some umpire I think.

Try Gerson or/and a good Natural Hygienic Doctor. You will not be disappointed.

If they did not work for you, you were probably using the wrong thing for your illness. It appears that nothing will cure your problem

-> "my ass!".

As far as I can tell, the only problem you have been concerned about is Psoriasis which has many different forms. Yours may be genetic for which there is not a cure. Or possibly it is chemically induced and you just have not found the right answer. Even if it is nutritional or parasitic, you have just not found the right way to treat it. Keep looking, the answer is out there somewhere.

>- simply aren't any more effective than placebo treatments.

This is definitely false. There is a serious lack of research in many cases because all of the money goes into profit making drugs.

>- I've wasted thousands of dollars on alternative treatments

Sorry to hear that, but it does appear that you have chosen the wrong alternatives for your problem. Look further and choose wisely.

That is a lot of work to try to bait me into another debate with you, after I thoroughly debunked and defeated you in the Cancer Debate Forum, where I addressed and defeated the same points decisively until you lost control and your posts deteriorated into name calling slurs that neither the members or the moderators could tolerate and as a result you ended up getting banned.

As before, your post is wrong and easily refutable, but this issue has already been waged in the Cancer Debate forum and the results of the evidence and the tally of the voters recorded decisively against you. I refuse to waste my time further or do Curezone the disservice of becoming engaged in another drawn out debacle that serves no one or nothing other than your desire to be contrarian and appear knowledgeable.

I might re-consider if you answered the simple questions I posed in the other forum: Who are you, how old are you and what background and credentials do you have to support your contention that you are knowledgeable or qualified to debate the subject?

In the meanwhile, I will let you ponder and refute the opinions of mainstream's own members:

"Modern medicine" may well be defined as "the experimental study of what happens when poisonous chemicals are placed into malnourished human bodies."
- A. Saul Contributing Editor, Journal of Orthomolecular Medicine

"Unless the doctor of today becomes the dietitian of tomorrow, the dietitian of today will become the doctor of tomorrow." Dr. ALEXIS CARROL. (Famous Biological Scientist and head of the Rockefellar Institute.)

"There are more quacks in the orthodox profession than there are outside its ranks." Dr. J. P. Baldwin

"Medicine is a great humbug:- doctors are merely quacks when they are not charlatans." Dr. Magendie (The great French physician)

"We doctors have been talking this medicine stuff into the people till they believe it." Dr. Schweningen (Physician to the late Prince Bismark)

"Materia Medica is simply a list of drugs and poisons. They are all subversive of organic structure; all incompatible with vital functions; all are antagonistic to living matter; all produce disease." Dr. R.T. Thrall

"Before he [Louis Pasteur - the 'father of modern medicine' and originator of the Germ Theory of disease] died, he changed his mind. He ended up saying it's not the germ, but the conditions within the body..." Natural Health Lecturer: Ian Sinclair

"Nature alone can cure disease. Doctors cannot heal. They can only direct the sufferer back to the pathways of health. Nature alone can create, and healing is re-creation." Dr. William S. Sadler

"Ninety-nine out of a hundred medical facts are medical lies, and medical doctrines are, for the most part, stark, staring nonsense." Dr. Gregory (Edinburgh)

"I am part of a profession that is systematically lying to people." Dr Mark Donohoe

"He is the best physician who knows the worthlessness of his own medicine." PROFESSOR W. M. OSLER, Professor of Medicine, Oxford University

"An exceedingly weak point in our profession is its possession of such an enormous array of useless drugs as presented in our Pharmacopoeia. No thinking observer can look over the pages of that book without being appalled at such a collection of nonsense, such a hodge-posh of trash." PROFESSOR E. J. BALDWIN, M.D.

"The medical system Is a colossal deception that has filled the world with incurable invalids, of which mines have been emptied of cankering minerals, the intestines of animals taxed for their filth, the poison bags of reptiles drained of their venom, the blood of cats and dogs extracted, and all these with other abominations have been thrust down the throat of gullible human beings." Dr. J. M. Good, M.D., F.R.S.

"We have no real proof of the boasted effectiveness of any form of anti-toxin or vaccine or serum... If such a vaccinated or immunised person contracts the disease which he is supposed to be protected, it is pretty good evidence that such "protection" is valueless, isn't it? Surely people do contract disease against which they are supposed to be immunised, as we all know.... Well, are you satisfied that WE ARE QUACKS? In the eyes of those who are willing to forgot the present prestige of medicine, such as it is, with all its dignity, its scientific jargon, its pratings of altruism, its great endowment, its well heralded "achievements," we are most assuredly quacks, professing to do things we cannot do, and yes, taking money under this pretence." Dr. Paul M. Koonin, D.D.Sc.

"After a careful consideration of the history of vaccination gleaned from an impartial and comprehensive study of vital statistics, and pertinent data from every reliable source, and after an experience derived from having vaccinated 31,000 subjects, I am firmly convinced that vaccination cannot be shown to have any logical relation to the diminution of cases of smallpox. vaccination does not protect, it actually renders its subjects more susceptible by depressing the vital power and diminishing the natural resistance, and millions of people have died of smallpox which they contracted after being vaccinated" J.W. Hodge MD in his book "The Vaccination Superstition"

"Injections ... are the best thing ever invented for feeding doctors."
- Gabriel García Márquez

"I don't always go into details about the possible side effects of drugs. I tell them all drugs are poisons with possible beneficial side effects."-Dr Jay Gordon

"The greatest lie ever told is that vaccines are safe and effective" - Dr. Len Horowitz

"Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a better world."
- Dr.Linus Pauling, in How to Live Longer and Feel Better

"To think the needle is going to protect you is as silly as thinking that drugs will make you healthy. Half of the modern drugs could well be thrown out of the window, except that the birds might eat them. Dr. Martin Henry Fischer"

"Unfortunately no. I am very healthy so to do my part, I will save the flu shot for someone who really needs it. I do not want to take away a valuable resource when it might be better served for another person."
- George W. Bush (Do you think he knows there is mercury in the shots?)

Live long, live healthy, live happy!

DQ

"The FDA 'protects' the big drug companies and are subsequently rewarded, and using the government's police powers they attack those who threaten the big drug companies. People think that the FDA is protecting them.

It isn't.

What the FDA is doing and what the public thinks it is doing are as different as night and day."

Dr. Herbert Ley
Former U.S. FDA Commissioner

The problem with Medical "SCIENCE" and the reasons Natural Alternatives are better and much more efficacious.........
A young girl whose body was ridden with Osteo and Rheumatoid Arthritis was under the care of a Senior Specialist of Allopathic Medicine for a two year period. In that time the patient grew progressively worse to the point where she was unable to walk. Dissatisfied with this treatment the mother took her daughter out of his care and placed her with a Naturopathic Doctor. Within 9 months the young girl was running and playing with her friends free from any sign of the disease.
The Professor stated that there was absolutely no proof that the alternative treatment worked because there was no scientific proof or a double-blind trial.
The mother laughed in his face saying "what further proof do you need. My daughter is now well and following a normal childhood".
Even though the proof was staring him in the face he still could not accept the evidence of his own eyes.
My own testimony: advanced leukemia in 1975, given 3 to 5 months to live. Sought the help of a Natural Hygienic Doctor who fasted me for 26 days followed by a Raw food Hygienic lifestyle.
The Hospital Doctors who had pronounced my death sentence could find no trace of the disease and said it was a miracle. 32 years later I am still fit, well and healthy thanks to Natural Hygiene.
Alternatives don't work? Come back to the forum when and if you actually know what you are talking about. I am disgusted with people like you.

Gee where to start with that post.

How about I had to sign up for Curezone just to respond. So I thank you for that!

Do you understand how many conglomerates work? You know, a corporation that has interests in many different industries such as advertising, media and pharmaceutical? They work in conjunction to exacerbate ill health (body dysmorphic disorder comes to mind) and increase profits. How about making a mint on drugs (that are funded to the tune of 50% of the R&D costs by the taxpayers) prescribed for anxiety, Depression and a myriad of other disorders of a society whose media makes everyone believe that the normal person looks like an 85 pound model with the pocketbook of a 22 year old singer who can't seem to remember to put on her underwear before she heads out for a night of dancing in a short skirt and making exaggerated exhibitionist movements while climbing in an out of limos.

To say that the only obligation a pharmaceutical company has is to make profits is to say that the only obligation ANYONE (since all corporations are made up of PEOPLE like you and me) has is to take care of themselves and screw anyone else (that's a pretty ugly reality, especially if you ever fall from grace and lose your ability to take care of yourself due to an accident or unexpected medical issue).

In addition, taking into consideration that media and the news are under no obligation to tell the truth in advertising and programming, no wonder our society is in such a mess with the average person being on two prescription drugs, most for life, especially with people like yourself who slam nature (shocking that there apparently is no redeeming value to that in which we belong and have always belonged, while completely trusting that which is made in a lab by profit-hungry greed mongers) as if it was some foreign concept.

Most physical ailments are a direct result of a skewed mental view of our respective temporal bodies as well as major emotional and mental disorders that manifest in the body if they are not "fixed" early on.

Where do you think the root of most prescription drugs resides? Nature perhaps? Naugh...couldn't be there could it? Yep, sure is. So it would appear that you are a shill for a multi-billion industry of deception and lies, all a part of a big web of profits for the few while drugging the masses.

I have been taking natural remedies for almost 20 years now. If they didn't work I wouldn't look and feel 10 years younger than I am.

Thanks, but while I do know a bit and try to pass along what I know and what I learn, I hardly deserve that heady praise. I think of myself as someone who is still learning - and thanks to many other more knowledgeable souls like yourself, Griz, Trapper, the Applebomb and many others, I am continuing to do so.

When my next book is finished, one will no doubt find the stamp of CureZone in many places. In particular, I have learned a great deal in the Oxygen, Iodine and Oil Pulling forums. For the most part, I just go look in those forums, read and keep my mouth and keyboard shut. Would that some others would do the same in some of the other forums - lol.

Yes, it is odd that no matter what I post in some forums, such as this one, I can now expect an automatic three negative votes. I think I could post that the moon revolved around the earth, which in turn revolved around the sun and three negative votes would appear shortly thereafter.

Does that not strike you as something a childish or petty person would do? Do you think, since one cannot vote for ones self, that perhaps those votes might originate from someone who usually gets two positive votes? Looks like the same positive and negative votes being cast over and over and over, doesn't it.