Is Mystery Babylon Spiritual or Phys... 
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Is Mystery Babylon Spiritual or Physical? Or maybe it is just a false doctrine that is the biggest lie of all? When human beings believe other human beings are less human and less worthy of God's love than people who believe differently than they believe, then it is no mystery to me why America could be under the judgement of the world. But what about God? Doctrine is not why America is or is not Mystery Babylon; God sees our hearts. If America is Mystery Babylon, then it is not because they have this or that religious doctrine but rather it is because Americans have turned from a God who is love to a god who is the Father of Lies. Today in America, church people are calling for the blood of people of another faith and calling them terrorists because of their faith. Is this a part of the American Christian faith? Have "We the People," de-humanized the rest of humanity, calling them cursed to hell, while calling those who believe as we believe "saved?"
Every day in America, we mock God and attribute hatred to a God who is love. While Christians in America may be saved, and they will make it into heaven, their lives here on earth are often hell. Are our families torn apart by our own judgemnet about others? There is a doctrine that says, judge not lest you be judged; for with the same measure you judge you will be judged. America, as Christian Nation, is systematically judging every faith in God or lack of faith in God, other than their faith in God, as unworthy of God's love; what judgement will this judgement receive from the hands of an angry god?
If America is Mystery Babylon, then I perceive this is the judgement that America will receive: God can only look on love; God cannot even look on sin and if our nation's hearts are filled with fear and un-love then we are invisible to God. Only by turning from fear and un-love and turning to love will we hear God's call to come out of Babylon. The time for repentance is drawing near.
When I was a child, I imagined Jesus as a loving brother but when I attended church I imagined God as some kind of punisher waiting to toss me into the flames of hell. As I have come to know that my Jesus and my God have the same personality, I began to see the error of my religious views. Jesus was something I knew from some core part of my being but the God I learned about in my youth in church was a vindictive God who carried a grudge forever. The God I have come to know since I began a conversation with God forgives and forgets our sins and loves all of those who have any love in their heart.
The God I now know is greater than the God of my youth and much more loving than I could ever have imagined. When Jesus asked his father to forgive the sins of mankind, God did. Even today, America's brand of Christianity holds mankind as worthy of judgement by hellfire, yet there are doctrines that proclaim that if man could just be more righteous and follow the correct doctine, he could avoid hellfire. By believing we can earn salvation, we may say with our mouth that Jesus is Lord, but then proclaim out of the other side of our mouth say Jesus was a liar and that God did not forgive every sin of mankind. This to me is part of the great apostasy or turning away from a God who is love.
If American Christians don't want to spread a message that God loves them then, it is because they don't really belive that message, because that might make them equal to their fellow human-kind. If we are to judge those of other faiths as less worthy of God's love then will we be judged by our own judgement? Yesterday, we marched on Afganistan; today we march on Iraq; tomorrow, will the world will march on America? We can close our eyes to what is going on in our name.
Is the time coming soon when God will ask all of those who believe in a God of Love to come out of Babylon? Is America Mystery Babylon? I have been struggling with America in scriptural end-times doctrine for years and all along the way, I have been slowly trying to get my house in order but my family is scattered and I am not sure if I could leave my family behind. The Jews in Nazi Germany must have felt the same pain as they were hauled away on trains to their death. There are worse things than death; upon my death, I will return to a God who loves me beyond my imagination... The worst thing about death to me is to leave my country, my family, my children and the world to the hands of a god who was a liar from the beginning; if I leave to go to the Father of Lights and I don't tell you how great and merciful my God is then you may not know the greatst love that there is, while you live. My life has been blessed beyond measure for knowing the God who is love.
When I hear the same old dogma of condemnation for anyone who is not righteous in their own eyes in churches today, I can not help but shake my head and ask if professing Christians in America pray to the same God I pray to? Do they know the good news about God forgiving "all" of the sins of mankind? From church to church I visit, I have found the churches of America who profess a belief in Jesus must have missed this important message. Then there are other churches who don't believe in God at all and their churches are just social clubs. Where is the true church in America? If I regret anything, in my death, I will regret not having told every human who carries a soul that God loves them. For the citizens of my nation, my family, my children, and all of the families & all of the children of the world, I pray that you have found the God who is love and I pray that if you have not begun a relationship with a God who is love that you will start your first conversation with God who love today. There is no mystery in Mystery Babylon to me; America come out of Spiritual Babylon and return to your first love... Remember that song;
"Jesus loves the little children/ All the little children of the world/ Yellow, Red, Black & White/ They are precious in His sight/Jesus loves the little children of the world."
When I was a child, I knew that song was true...I just knew it. We are all God's children and "all" includes "everyone."
What are your opinions? Avoid personal attacks. I really want to know what you believe from that part of you that knows.- Re: Is Mystery Babylon Spiritual or ... klyd
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This is a reply to # 630,454I not going to try to answer your concerning Mystery Babylon. Ill just say that its true of Gods abundant love for us. John3:16 reads "God so love the world that he gave His only begotton Son so that whoever believes in Him will not perish but have everlasting life.
You may also take comfort in Matthews 24:1-14 "1) ...Take heed that no one deceives you.... 6) And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. SEE THAT YOU ARE NOT TROUBLED.
On the issue of salvation:
Romans 3:23 "for we have all sinned and fall short of the glory of God.
Romans 6:23 "For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord."
Romans 5:12 "Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned." (sin entered man by disobedience of Adam and Eve)
Romans 5:8 But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us."
Romans 10:9-13 "9) that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and BELIEVE in you heartthat God has raised Him from the dead, YOU WILL BE SAVED. 10) For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11) For the scipture says "Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame." 12) For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him. 13) For whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
I honestly believe that confronts the issue on salvation. If we confess Jesus with our mouth and believe in our hearts, then salvation awaits us. Im sorry but for the ones that reject Jesus and says that He wasnt raised from the dead...Need i say it?
Just ask yourself. The bible says that the wages of sin is DEATH. But the gift of God is eternal life in Jesus Christ. Now if a person reject Jesus Christ, how are they going to recieve Gods gift of eternal life in Jesus Christ.
I hope that help you with some of your thoughts. Take care, God bless you.
klyd
- Re: Is Mystery Babylon Spiritual or ... rudenski
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MoreThis is a reply to # 630,458Every Knee shall bow and every mouth shall confess that Jesus Christ is Lord. If God is not a liar, then every includes "every". To me, this is the great mystery that seperates us from judgement. While our lives may be remarkably blessed through confession if we then pick up our cross and follow Christ, few will answer that call. Instead, the church is filled with pew sitters and they listen to sermons that push others down to make them feel higher. The sermons that say God loves them but hates their enemies may scratch their itch or need for religion but is not worship to a God who is love. If Jesus' Good Samaritan message were the only message then God's truth would shine through...
- Just Curious: are you promoting Univ... Ready2Rapture
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- Re: Just Curious: are you promoting ... rudenski
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This is a reply to # 630,460Promoting? Universalism? I was just saying what I knew in my knower. I don't have a doctrine per sey. I went to several Universalist Unitarian meetings but they didn't have spiritual gifts and they deny the virgin birth of Jesus. Something missing there. I have been to dozens of churches from charismatic fundamentalist churches to mainstream. I always get something out of attending church. When I go to spirit filled churches and they are awesome until the preacher starts with the morality message and then they they start lying about God, I knoew I am in the wrong place. When the shpherd starts with their stories bashing homosexuals, Catholics, Muslim people or whatever, I think they must have only half of the truth about the God I pray to. It seems that full gospel churches are half way there but they just miss the point about judgement. I started walking out of churches a couple of years ago when they started bashing Muslims in church and I always walked out when they bashed Catholics from the pulpit. I guess I have a low tolerance for judging non-christians? I don't know if America is Mystery Babylon but if it is, I think this type of judgement must be at the core or its error. I think it is time to see what is going on in the church and see if we can fix it.
If glorifying God in churches could get done by becoming more conservative then there are plenty of conservative churches. I don't think the answer is in conservative churches. If God wanted churches to be more liberal, there are plenty of liberal churches. I don't think liberal churches have the answer. I think there is something that is missing in the churches. I don't know what it is? But I think it has something to do with worship a god of judgement.I do know phony preaching when I hear it. When a preacher starts judging anyone outside of his own flock then they are primarily just scratching the itches of people wanting to feel good about who they are. Self Righteous folks in the pews probably give their tithes better than people who are searching for God outside of a building. Preachers so often spend a small part of their sermon praising God and the bulk of the sermon bashing non-believers. It keeps people in the pews but it is a dis-service to God. I have gone to liberal churches and they believe may be liberal about people of other faiths but they don't have the Holy Spirit. The mainstream religions that I have visited are dead and they all have good points but very little spirit. The Catholic churches in Mexico were pretty awesome and they kept the families together but there are lots of Catholics who go to church but many Catholics have no prayer-life at all or worse, they don't believe in God at all. I have a gift of discerning God's voice when I hear it and I just have great difficulty that voice without the voice from the pit. Maybe the real church is just between two or more people when they talk about God? Maybe the true church is between you and me right now? I go wherever God tells me to go...but I guess I have had the hardest time finding a church to be under their authority because I have not found a church that glorifies God the way that God deserves to be glorified. If that was a way too long explanation for my choice of churches or what I am promoting I guess in short I would be a Jewish/ Charismatic/ Methodist/ Universalist/ Quaker/ Full Gospel Catholic. I think that denominations take us toward dead doctrines and away from a relationship with God. If I was promoting anything, I guess I am a constant cheerleadr that God is love.
I don't know if America is Babylon but if it is, that would explain a lot of the reasons I can't find a church in my own community? I would like to know the truth about Babylon so I can get out of its way if it is America is Babylon that is utterly destroyed in the Bible. I have read the bible over and over and I just can't seem to discern where Jesus is condemning the non-religious folks until the seven years of tribulation. If the time is coming soon, I want to be where God needs me to be.
From what I can tell, Jesus was into getting folks to know about the true nature of God. I guess I have said enough. I don't have a home church right now but I guess that my relationship with God is more important to me right now than the doctrine I follow. I would like to be be in communion with Christians who believe as I believe but I never seem to fit in. God told me a few years ago to move to Mexico. I stayed for almost a year but I became lonely for my family and I never really fit in there either... I did learn a lot about tolerance of other cultures and beliefs though. I now have a great job doing social work now and my contract will end in a little over two years. I hope to move to South or Central America as soon as my contract is over. I hope I am not being disobedient to God by not moving now. I will keep my eyes open for whales by any large bodies of water I visit though...hehehe.... Sorry so long.
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- Re: Is Mystery Babylon Spiritual or ... klyd
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This is a reply to # 630,459That is true. Every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord. Lets see exactly what the bible says, which is the infallible word of God.
Romans14:10-12 "10)...For we shall all stand at the judgement seat of Christ. 11) For it is written: As I live, says the Lord, Every knee shall bow to Me, And every tongue shall confess to God. 12) So then each of us shall give account of himself to God.
This is when we stand before the judgement seat. And the time will come that every single person will be judged there. That includes you and I.
There is a choice now. We can accept Jesus Christ in our life, confess Him as our Savoir and Redeemer, repent of our sins, and bow to Him as King and Master now. Or we can reject him for now then later, bow the knee and confess Him at the judgement seat, when it will be too late to accept Gods gift of eternal life in Christ Jesus.
Jesus said that there is no greater sacrifice then for someone to give his life for his friends. Jesus has done that for us. It took an abundant amount of love and courage to give His on the cross for us. We need to spread that love and let others know. For we really dont want anyone left out.
Jesus loves you
klyd
- Re: Is Mystery Babylon Spiritual or ... rudenski
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This is a reply to # 630,468If you confess with your mouth that Jesus Christ is Lord, you shall be saved. If every knee shall bow and every tounge confesses that Jesus Christ is Lord, then who is left but unclean spirits? 100% salvation is still a victory for God...Just because someone doesn't lose, doesn't mean you don't win. God has already won the victory...
- Re: Is Mystery Babylon Spiritual or ... klyd
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This is a reply to # 630,510Im not discussing this issue to win or lose, I only state facts that have been given to us by God (the bible). You are the one who has the option of accepting the words and scripture that I provide or rejecting them.
Revelation 20:15 "And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.
Revelation 21:7-8 "7) He who overcomes shall inherit all things and I will be his God and he shall be My son. 8) But the cowardly, UNBELIEVING, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, SORCERERS, idolaters, and LIARS shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone..."
I pay no attention to message posts that are not in line with the bible. Some seem to only come here and post as a joke. I only give these scriptures 1Timothy 1:3-4 3) “...teach no other doctrine, 4) nor give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which cause disputes rather than godly edification which is in faith.
Galatians 1:8-9 8) “ ...if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. 9) ...I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed.
It sounds to me as if God is firm on this subject. Teachings of the bible are to receive Gods gift of eternal life in Jesus Christ now or stand before the judgment seat later and be
judged for not receiving Gods gift of eternal life in Jesus Christ.
Ive seen people come to me about loved ones who had past away and had never received Jesus in their life. They were so desperate, they would have received any word that allowed them to believe that it wasn’t to late for their dead loved one. I cannot alter the bible, it is Gods word. God is the same yesterday , today and tomorrow. To those I suggest to pray for inner peace and see that the next soul is saved.
Klyd
- Re: Is Mystery Babylon Spiritual or ... rudenski
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This is a reply to # 630,556If you have committed one sin, you have committed them all. So what it that is seperated from our souls upon our death?
Romans 8:38-39 "I am convinced that there is nothing in death or life, in the realm of spirits or superhuman powers, in the world as it is or in the world as it shall be, in the forces of the universe, in heights or depths - nothing in all creation that can separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord."
As we ascend into heaven....nothing will seperate us from the love of God in Jesus Christ....
but our sins will indeed be seperated from us... When we stand before the throneroom of God...& what will God judge? Will God judge us for our sins? When we arrive our sins have already been seperated from us. God can not even look on sin. So what is it we will be judged for? Jesus said, God forgive them for they know not what they do. Forgiven, all of the sins of mankind, then what is there left to judge? What is it that we entered the world to learn? Did we learn that lesson we went into the world to learn? As we stand before God, we will lay our pearls before our God and this is how we will be judged.
What is hell for if not for sinners? speak of a lake of fire who the False Prophet, The Beast, Satan which will be sent to Gehenna but where are the hordes of sinners? They are not to be found in Gehenna but go trough Gehenna on their way to the light... All of our sins go throuh the winepress or the "smoke of their torment ascends up for the ages of the ages; and they have no rest day or night" (Rev 14.10,11).I
Is this torment for the the soul of man or are the tormented those angels who followed Lucifer into the dark and that choseour the spirits we allowed into our lives? You know in your knower that when we die that we are seperated from your sins but you cling to a doctrine that wants to attach your sins to your soul but the seperation already occured. 2000 years ago the victort was won but day in and day out well meaning Christians fall for a God of Fear and give him power while they ignore the fruit of sacraficial love that Jesus' sacrifice gave to mankind.
The early Christians were willing to be burned at the stake because they knew in theior hearts how much God loved them but today Christians love their lives so much that, if they could, they would carry them to the father and proudly show them to the Father. If you are righteous, throw your stones at those who do not believe as you do but Christian or Jew, or any belief, all we have to show God is how we were blessed by God and God has blessed us each and every human soul with the sacrafice of Jesus Christ.... I will claim from the hilltops that Jesus is Lord but I will never judge the sinner as less than me.
Some Christians might even say that I am not even a Christian because I deny the power of s_tanel over mankind but I know in my knower that God is love and if you search your heart, you will know it too. You can read into scripture a theology of hell for sinners or if you so choose, you may still call yourself Christian and realize that Jesus did not die in vain, He arose and overcame death and the grave. Believe what you want but know that God's mercy endures unto all generations and that means every generation until the end of generations. If you believe that the hell theology was an early Christian belief, let me know what you find...but from what I understand, hell was not. Let me know what you find...I have an open mind...- what goes to hell? Ready2Rapture
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This is a reply to # 630,573You said, "You can read into scripture a theology of hell for sinners or if you so choose", so I must assume you don't think it's there. I believe it is, and it's been discussed already in an earlier thread.
You also said, "They are not to be found in Gehenna but go trough Gehenna on their way to the light... " Scripture references, please.
You also said, "All of our sins go throuh the winepress or the "smoke of their torment ascends up for the ages of the ages; and they have no rest day or night" (Rev 14.10,11", which I take to mean you believe only an entity called SIN goes to hell, not any souls."
But exactly what is tormented is clear when you look at the verses closely:
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10he, too, will drink of the wine of God's fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. He will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb. 11And the smoke of their torment rises for ever and ever. There is no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and his image, or for anyone who receives the mark of his name."
KJV
10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
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Notice who "they" refers to: it is PEOPLE who worship the beast. "Sins" cannot worship.
- Re: what goes to hell? rudenski
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This is a reply to # 630,574If you want endless scripture that proves hell(ghenna) is just a burning pit outside of Jerusalem, I can do that. The great deception of s_tanel is complete when he can seduce even the elect into a false doctrine that calls darkness light and light darkness. I was suggesting that Hell itself is a metaphor for the actual separation of our sins from our souls. If you think about it, and search the scripture, you will find these metaphors throughout scripture. You can throw misinterpreted scriptures at the truth about God's Love all day and night but the accuser's knows scripture forward and backward and would call a lie the truth and the truth a lie. Ask that deeper part of yourself what the true nature of God is and ask yourself how all things could be reconciled to Christ if 90% of the humans Christ forgave are tossed in a torturous burning pit. Jesus said, God forgive them(was he speaking to the Christians? No... Jesus was addressing those who would slay him and even the religious Jews who held Jesus in contempt.
Hell was dragged up from the pit of fiction as a twisted perception of God's judgement. Where is the victory for God with billions of burning souls in hell? Hardly a victory at all to see our loved ones burning throughout eternity. The burning pit outside of Jerusalem is called hell but the wine in the winepress is another metaphor that describes the judgement of God.
Consider this Lam 3:31 For the Lord will not cast off for ever:
Rev 21.4,5 Even Forever ends... the former things are passed away. Behold I make all things new.
The new thing is our soul minus are corrupt flesh.
Gehenna was situated outside the southern walls of Jerusalem and it is commonly known to be a place where the fires to the pagan god Moloch were sanctified (Jer 32.35; Ezek 20.31). It was also called Tophet. "For Tophet is ordained of old, yea, for the king [the evil king] it is prepared; he hath made it deep and large: the pile thereof is fire and much wood; the breath of the Lord, like a stream of brimstone, doth kindle it" (Isa 30.33). Gehenna is also the prison where some "high ones" (angels) and kings on earth will be incarcerated. The abyss ("bottomless pit") mentioned in Revelation is actually located between Beth Chaduda and the Dead Sea and is destined to be a prison of temporary confinement for the Dark Lord and his angelic powers for around a thousand years.
More and more evidence that hell is a metaphor for the separation of our sins(flesh) from our souls.
but ask yourself in that child-like part of you that knows Christ instead of that bullie pulpit of damnation and you may begin to see the light of a loving God. The deception of the elect is the cause of countless bloodshed in the name of Jesus but still the crime against humaity continues. Only when we can quit judging the world and turn to being stewards of God's love,
will the true nature of God be revealved through us. The part of us that is love is that part that makes it through the wineprees and the rest is cast as far as the East is form the West and remembered no more.
Ezekiel 8:12, 17-18
“Then Jesus said unto them, Yet a little while is the light with you. Walk while ye have the light, lest darkness come upon you: for he that walketh in darkness knoweth not whither he goeth. While ye have light, believe in the light, that ye may be the children of light. These things spake Jesus, and departed, and did hide himself from them.”
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MoreThis is a reply to # 630,584You bring up interesting work. O've saved in my computer and will examine at my descretion.
- Re: what goes to hell? Ready2Rapture
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This is a reply to # 630,584QUOTE: If you want endless scripture that proves hell(ghenna) is just a burning pit outside of Jerusalem, I can do that. END QUOTE
I never denied that there was a spot outside Jersalem called Gehenna. But Jesus frequently used the familiar to explain the spiritual. Ever read any of his parables? They use ordinary situations to teach spiritual truths.
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QUOTE:The great deception of s_tanel is complete when he can seduce even the elect into a false doctrine that calls darkness light and light darkness.END QUOTE
Has it ever occured to you that YOU might be the deceived one?
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QUOTE: I was suggesting that Hell itself is a metaphor for the actual separation of our sins from our souls. END QUOTE
It's an imagined metaphore without scriptural support. I did ask nicely for references.
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QUOTE:You can throw misinterpreted scriptures at the truth about God's Love all day and night but the accuser's knows scripture forward and backward and would call a lie the truth and the truth a lie. END QUOTE
Misinterpretation? Deception? Look in the mirror.
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QUOTE: Ask that deeper part of yourself what the true nature of God is and ask yourself how all things could be reconciled to Christ if 90% of the humans Christ forgave are tossed in a torturous burning pit. END QUOTE
The problem is that you can't imagine God sending anyone to a permanent hell, because you ignore his HOLY NATURE and only look at his love nature. God is both LOVE and HOLINESS. You can't have holiness without justice, and you can't separate sin from the soul. Only the blood of Jesus can give you a new, living, sinless soul (2 Corl 5:17) to replace the old one. Those without him are still dead in their sins (Eph. 2:1 and Col. 2:13).
People go to hell by their own choice. Hell is the place God made where his presence is not felt, and it's necessary because there are a lot of people who want nothing to do with God. In sending people there, God is simple giving them what they want. What they don't realize is that everything good comes from God, so nothing good can exist apart from him. Therefore hell cannot contain anything good.
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QUOTE:Hell was dragged up from the pit of fiction as a twisted perception of God's judgement. Where is the victory for God with billions of burning souls in hell? END QUOTE
Victory for God? This isn't about victory, it's about justice and holiness. If you want to talk about victory, consider this: Where is the victory for us who have lived the Christian life, only to find the rankest sinners enjoying the same heavenly bliss? What's the point of bearing a cross daily for a prize I could get for nothing? If God will take my sin from me regardless of whether or not I become a Christian then there's no point in being one. When you think about it, there's no need for the Bible at all if everybody's going to heaven.
At this point you might mis-apply Phillippians 2:10 and try to say that it means everyone will be saved. But remember that knees can be FORCED to bow (see Rev. 3:9 which says, "I will make those who are of the synagogue of Satan... come and fall down at your feet..."). Clearly not all who bow down are doing so willingly.
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QUOTE: but ask yourself in that child-like part of you that knows Christ instead of that bullie pulpit of damnation and you may begin to see the light of a loving God. END QUOTE
What exactly is a "bullie pulpit of damnation"? Are you charging every preacher who believes in the Bible's teaching about hell with blasphemy? Better ask God for forgiveness for that one! I get my beliefs from the Bible as my sole authority, not any man. You also imply that currently I do not "see the light", another false assumption. I could easily accuse you of all the things you accuse me, so be careful about where you point your finger.
- Re: what goes to hell? rudenski
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This is a reply to # 630,609The accuser sounds like a raging lion and every child of God should learn to know that sound, while a loving father or caring mother is the sound every child will cling to. Some christians sound like a raging lion to their children and their children have mistaken the sound of a lion for the sound of God. I know the voice of God and I know it when I hear it. I know God is love and I knowe what I know. If it sounds in my spirit like a loving father or caring mother then I know I am in the right place and I am hearing from God. Even chastisement that is done with love has a different sound then the sound of a raging lion... If you hear some people screaming at a disobedient pet it has a different sound than a parent correcting their child. Their is a different quality to that sound. Every child who prays to a loving God and hears the quiet still voice of God knows the difference.
- it boils down to this Ready2Rapture
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This is a reply to # 630,613The Bible rules, not feelings. Without this solid Rock we are adrift in a sea of ever-changing 'truths'. When you run out of scriptural support for your view and have no rebuttal for mine, you put feelings and experiences above objectivity. Your perception of my motivation is just that-- your perception. You are hearing exactly what you want to hear. Listen to God's unchanging Word, not your feelings, and you will 'see the light'.
- Re: it boils down to this rudenski
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This is a reply to # 630,615"Wo unto them that call evil good and good evil; that put darkness for light and light for darkness: that put bitter for sweet. and sweet for bitter!" Isaiah 5:20
The increase of knowledge is here & now but if your heart is hardened against the truth, perhaps you will not know light when the light of truth is revealed.
"I have many things to say unto you, but ye CANNOT bear them now." John 16:12
There are three types of people who would committ a crime...
# 1 is a criminal who plots & schemes
# 2 is a prson, who given an opportunity, commits a crime
# 3 A third group would committ a crime but they are afraid of
getting caught
The first group are often called sociopaths and while some become serial killers, most are wealthy men who hide from the light.
The second are driven by hunger & thirst and many of these are found in prisons and jails.
The third group may not committ a crime to avoid punishment... Most of these are religious on Sunday. But they most often commit crimes in mass, with leaders from group #1.
When Jesus walked the Earth:
The group in # 1 were too busy plotting & scheming to listen to Jesus.
Jesus told the story of love to the group in # 2
Jesus tried to tell God's love to group # 3 but the group in # 3 were shockingly bent on Jesus' destruction and hung him on a tree.
If God's love will not draw men to Christ then at least the fear of a fictional hell-fire might keep some of the self-righeous religious folks in group #3 from harming those in group # 2.
When I read the scripture, the Holy Spirit reveals a love story to me. If you found another word from god while you read scripture, then so be it.
For as in Adam all die, so in Christ ALL will be made alive.
(1 Cor. 15:22-23)
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This is a reply to # 630,618That's pretty insulting and arrogant, but I won't report you this time.
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This is a reply to # 630,619"When you run out of scriptural support for your view and have no rebuttal for mine, you put feelings and experiences above objectivity."
I guess when faced with scripture, my rebuttal, you feel insulted?
It is apparant to me that when you are doing the insulting it is okay? I used scripture to back up my thesis and you used fear & threats to support yours. : )- HA HA HA HA HA hee hee hee, oh boy Ready2Rapture 20 y 2,688
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