Puffy face & Candida??? 
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Hi, after being very sick for more than 2 years I finally decided I probably have Candida about a month ago. A doctor confirmed that I have severe systemic Candida. All other tests taken over last 2 years were all normal. I started the diet 3 weeks ago along with Nystatin, a Colon Cleanse (6 in 1), garlic, grapeseed extract and Paragone (a kit). I had low body temp. and many Hypothyroid symptoms...extreme fatigue, dry skin, Depression etc. I take thyroid hormone but despite normal blood tests the symptoms always remained unchanged. After starting the diet I noticed a huge improvement. Pretty much all of my symptoms have lessened or gone away completely. My body temp has increased and I have tons of energy. Twice I have accidently eaten Sugar and my symptoms came back within minutes and Depression hit hard. I also have pretty bad chemical sensitivities which get much worse when I mistakenly eat the wrong things. One of my most bothersome symptoms is a puffy face and puffy eyes. I'm not sure if its fluid or swollen tissue but it can get quite painful. My nose, mouth and eyes also burn if I eat wrong or sometimes after taking the Nystatin. When I dont make mistakes the burning and pain is gone but the swelling is always there just not as bad. The appearance of my face has actually changed alot because of this and I'm wondering if this is all related to the Candida. It all started at the same time but I've never read anything about other people with Candida having puffiness in the face. I was just wondering if this will go away once I get the Candida under control or if its possibly caused by something other than yeast. Today I had yogurt for the first time. It was Brown Cow plain yogurt...I have been miserable since eating it. Even though Sugar isn't listed on the ingredients it does contain sugar. Is this from the lactose? I want to make my own yogurt and bought a yogurt maker today. Can I use store bought organic plain yogurt as a starter? Does the process kill any sugars? This is all new to me so sorry so many questions.
Thanks, Rachel
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- Re: Puffy face & Candida??? Johnny Vegas
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MoreThis is a reply to # 289,307Rachel, you seem to be pretty clued up.
The puffy face is likely to be candida-related (candida can cause 101 different symptoms) but it isn't something I have heard of.
>Even though Sugar isn't listed on the ingredients it does contain sugar. Is this from the lactose?
yes
>I want to make my own yogurt and bought a yogurt maker today. Can I use store bought organic plain yogurt as a starter?
yes, but the best yoghurt (both for taste and bacteria) is when you use a (good) probiotic capsule as a starter.
>Does the process kill any sugars?
Yes - this is the whole idea of fermentation. The (good) bacteria eat the sugars in yoghurt (lactose) and turn it into lactic acid. That is why good strong yoghurt should taste sour (acidic) - not sweet. If it is sweet it has too much sugar.
JV.
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- Re: Puffy face & Candida??? Rachel--24
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This is a reply to # 289,317Johnny, thanks for the info. Can you recommend a good probiotic starter?
Canuckguy..I took a hair analysis test last year when symptoms were very bad. All minerals were inside normal range except Molybdenum, Strontium, Vanadium & Calcium. These were all a little high. Also Antimony Bismuth and Cadmium were a tiny bit high in the toxic element section. Nothing really stood out to me. I was worried about Mercury since I had just gotten dental work done shortly before troubles began. This never showed up in blood, urine or hair though. Also HDL Cholesterol, liver, kidneys red and white blood counts are normal. I've had several complete blood panels done recently as docs were trying to figure out why I was losing weight but everything has always showed normal. Also since having Radioactive Iodine treatment for Graves and being put on Thyroid replacement all of my thyroid labs are normal. I tried adjusting doses to get rid of symptoms but nothing worked until I started the diet. When I would increase meds the test would show Hyper and if I decreased I'd show Hypo but physically and mentally I felt the same regardless of the thyroid dose.
Since my copper is normal I'm not sure if adding any minerals would help me.
Anne, the puffiness has gone down some since starting the diet but maybe it will take awhile for my body to heal. About how long until most people feel and look healthy again (if they are faithful to the diet)? I know I will not cheat because I've been through too much and I've been on disibility for much of the past 2 years. My desire to get well and return to work is much greater than my desire for sweets.
I had a food intolerance test done last month (Great Smokies Lab IgE & IgG). It showed NO significant immune response to any of the foods I regulary eat (or dont eat for that matter). I was shocked. If I have systemic Candida shouldnt I have Leaky Gut and therefore shouldn't I have some food intolerance? Could my reactions to food have been solely caused by the yeasts being fed and releasing toxins? I wondered about eggs because I have always eaten them often but they were negative in the test. I'm still eating lots of eggs and I don't notice any reactions. How would I know for sure...or should I just go with the test results?- Re: Puffy face & Candida??? canuckguy
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This is a reply to # 289,332Hi Rachel - that is so perplexing about your hair mineral analysis results. Candida should not be able to grow if your WBCs and RBCs are normal (and yours are). What blood type are you? Are you blood type O?
Which company did your hair mineral analysis?
I have read alot over the past few years about the symbiotic interactions between the human body and helpful intestinal micro-organisms at my university's library. Are you taking a good probiotic (preferably something with 20 billion or more micro-organisms per dose)? Udo's Choice High Potency is by far and away the best probiotic I have come across.
That is also very strange that despite your problems, your hair mineral analysis was not showing high mercury deposits.- Blood types boronia
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This is a reply to # 289,333Hi,
How do you know candida is more common amongst blood type Os? I am blood type A.
I'd never heard of Udo's Choice probiotic. It looks a strong one. I'm taking Bio-kult which is good but just has 3.5 billion per capsule.
Thanks
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This is a reply to # 289,336Hi Boronia,
Check out this link concerning candida and blood type O (bottom of page) http://www.dadamo.com/napharm/store3/template2/secretor.htm
According to the article (and other sources I have read), blood type As (like you) have more resistance to infection such as candida, particularly systemic cases. A simple google search provides tons of info on all this.
Blood type Os are also more susceptible to have some sort of gluten intolerance which seems to be quite common in people with candida as well.
As for probiotics, if you think that the average human intestine has 100 trillion lactic acid bacteria lining its' walls, to make any dent at all you must be taking a high quality probiotic. If you live in the US, you shouldn't have a problem finding Udo's Choice in your health food store; it's a pretty popular brand. Also, I have found and read that despite what many people will have you believe, taking probiotics RIGHT AFTER a meal is useless. Food is hanging around in your stomach being digested. The probiotics will just die in the stomach acid. The best time to take probiotics is first thing when you wake up - then again right before bed. Not eating 3 hours before bed is necessary for this technique to be successful. Also, restraining from eating 3 hours before bed will reduce night sweats and vivid or disturbing dreams.
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This is a reply to # 289,347Thanks!
I've never really paid much attention to the blood type thing though I am open to the idea that blood type has some influence on health. I also have gluten intolerance, don't think I have celiac though.
Yes I think you're right about timing of probiotics.
Cheers!
Anne
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- Re: Puffy face & Candida??? Rachel--24
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This is a reply to # 289,333I'm not sure what my blood type is. I'm going to try and find out.
I have read over and over that a person with Candida can have all normal bloodwork. This isn't true? Yes, it is very strange that with all of my problems and obvious "failure to thrive" as the doctors put it, nothing abnormal has ever shown up. They've even tested me for AIDS and Lyme Disease but its all negative. I actually found out about Candida for the first time when I went to a mercury-free dentist last year to find out if I had mercury poisoning. After discussing my symptoms at length he started asking me about my diet. He then told me I had a yeast problem and that I wouldnt get better EVER unless I only ate organic meats and vegetables and drank the purest water. Of course this seemed crazy as a sat there holding my bag of Chex party mix and Odwalla drink. He asked me if I had noticed how white my tongue was and of course I had and had even went to the doctors about it but they told me it was nothing so I ignored it. Now almost a year later I'm following his advice and its the ONLY thing that has relieved my symptoms and made life bearable again. Just last month I didnt even want to live anymore and now I am happy and active again. I scored 311 on Dr. Crooks yeast questionaire last month. I'm going to take it again after 1 month on the diet.
My probiotic formula is called FloraMore...it has 6 billion organisms per capsule. I also drink Continental acidophilus culture. I'm not even sure if this is ok to drink or not. I think I will have to look for a better probiotic formula.- Re: Puffy face & Candida??? canuckguy
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This is a reply to # 289,337Hi Rachel,
Jeez - that is so strange about your blood results (sorry to bring this up again). I can't remember - did you say that your thyroid tested normal? (I'm guessing not if you're taking medication for it) Have you checked out http://www.ithyroid.com ? Jon's opinion is that thyroid disease comes only as a result of a mineral imbalance. I understand that your hair mineral analysis came back normal but it is extremely perplexing that your minerals are "normal" while your thyroid is acting "abnormal". Is there anything that could have made the test results return incorrect values (i.e. permed, dyed, treated hair or harsh shampoos like head and shoulders?)
Sorry I am not much help- Re: Puffy face & Candida??? Rachel--24
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This is a reply to # 289,349Canuck,
I have autoimmune thyroid disease (Graves). It runs in my family on both sides and for me it was triggered whenever I was under alot of stress. I had my thyroid ablated 2 years ago with Radioactive Iodine so now I take hormone replacement and my tests have been normal for almost 2 years now. I have to take the thyroid replacement for the rest of my life. I have never colored or permed my hair and I just use Tresseme or Dove shampoo and conditioner.
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This is a reply to # 289,332>About how long until most people feel and look healthy again (if they are faithful to the diet)?
Hi, Rachel, from what I've read it's normally recommended to stick to the diet for at least 3 months and usually longer eg 6 months or a year or longer. Of course it will depend on individual factors and the reasons underlying the candida.
>I had a food intolerance test done last month (Great Smokies Lab IgE & IgG). It showed NO significant immune response to any of the foods I regulary eat (or dont eat for that matter). I was shocked.
That's interesting. I've never had any tests done with GS so don't know how accurate they are....though I presume they are fairly accurate! Does 'no significant immune response' mean there was a slight response?? I suppose that's irrelevant really!
>If I have systemic Candida shouldnt I have Leaky Gut and therefore shouldn't I have some food intolerance?
Not necessarily. I don't think everyone with candida has leaky gut severe enough to cause food allergies though a lot do due to candida damaging the gut lining and the nutritional deficiencies that come with that or precipitate it.
>Could my reactions to food have been solely caused by the yeasts being fed and releasing toxins?
Yes I think so.
>I wondered about eggs because I have always eaten them often but they were negative in the test. I'm still eating lots of eggs and I don't notice any reactions. How would I know for sure...or should I just go with the test results?
You would know for sure if you gave them up for a while, say a month or longer, then ate them over a few days and see how you felt. I suppose it is best to try and rotate foods but I think it's very hard to do in practice.
Anne
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This is a reply to # 289,335Anne,
The foods I reacted to on the test were alfalfa and banana and the level of the reaction was very low. Reactions are rated from 0 to 4+. My reactions were only 1. I also reacted to several spices, but again, very low. I dont usually eat spices or alfalfa anyway.
I would like to see what happens if I stop eating eggs but since I'm only eating eggs, meat, fish and veggies it would be hard to cut anything out for that long. Also I'm way too thin already.
When you say "stay on the diet for 6 months" do you mean this very strict phase of the diet or are most people adding some healthy grains or other foods by that time. Eating this way, athough it does make me feel so much better, has gotten quite expensive and I also am not able to gain weight on this diet. Does anyone have any advice for gaining weight?- Re: Puffy face & Candida??? boronia
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This is a reply to # 289,339>When you say "stay on the diet for 6 months" do you mean this very strict phase of the diet or are most people adding some healthy grains or other foods by that time. Eating this way, athough it does make me feel so much better, has gotten quite expensive and I also am not able to gain weight on this diet. Does anyone have any advice for gaining weight?
No I meant stay on for at least 3 months strictly then maybe you could experiment with different foods eg grains if they're a problem for you now. It really depends, everyone is different so just listen to your body and it will tell you what it likes. To gain weight try eating more fats eg avocado, nuts, coconut oil etc. and add digestive enzymes, including lipase, for fat digestion.
Also l-glutamine helps nutrient absorption which may also help with weight problems.
Some people have found Liver Flushing helpful to either gain or lose weight as they help to normalise the metabolism.
To be honest I personally don't think weight is that important unless you're really underweight of course. As long as you have energy and feel ok and have sufficient muscle power I wouldn't worry too much about it. You could check out http://www.askshelley.com, Shelley has great nutritional advice and has a section on bodybuilding etc.
Actually that link doesn't work. Click on "The Best of Shelley" at the top of this page.
Anne
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This is a reply to # 289,344Thanks Anne,
I'll just have to be patient I guess....It took 2 1/2 years for me to get to this point and I suppose I cant expect miracles in only 3 weeks. I dont think I'm extremely underweight but I definately dont look healthy. I've always been small..5'2...I finally got up to 120 lbs before I got sick but since then I've lost 25 lbs. Now I cant get over 100. I do have energy though so maybe I shouldn't worry.
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This is a reply to # 289,307Hi Rachel,
I had the same puffy face thing as well as hypothyroid symptoms (i.e. cold hands/feet, low energy, etc.) I strongly recommend you read everything you can at http://www.ithyroid.com (not for profit website). The author of the site describes his personal battles with thyroid problems and yeast infections.
Thyroid problems are VERY sensitive to mineral imbalances and these imbalances can cause a host of other problems. For instance, if your copper is out of balance (very common in people with thyroid problems), this also affects your white and red blood cell counts, your HDL cholesterol levels and even you liver enzymes. Lower white blood cell counts make you more apt to develop infections such as candida. Taking medication to boost thyroid function won't help a candida infection because your immunity will remain low due to imbalanced minerals. Get a mineral hair test done, then you'll know for sure what to take. And don't forget that when you start to take something that you are low in, you may feel TERRIBLE for a few days as your body is re-introduced to that mineral. Stick it out, best of luck!- Re: Puffy face & Candida??? Johnny Vegas
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This is a reply to # 289,321Canuckguy, very informative post!
Just 2 questions:
1. Have you followed this approach and
2. Did it have any positive results?
JV.- Re: Puffy face & Candida??? canuckguy
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This is a reply to # 289,325Hi Johnny,
Yes, I had great results from it. After about a four year battle with a candida infection, I was able to regain my health following the supplementation of copper (I had anemia, low white blood cells counts, etc etc). I have created a website (not for profit) that tells my story in more detail at http://www.angelfire.com/cantina/candida/ I think the biggest mistake that I made and that other people make is in thinking that candida is the SOURCE of the problem. This isn't true. Candida is a symptom. It is a symptom of lowered immunity (whether that be due to AIDS, cancer, burn victims or simple mineral imbalances). Hope that helped!
And yes, I can now eat fruit and sugar!- You had EBV!! Wow!! Johnny Vegas
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This is a reply to # 289,327Canuckguy,
I had EBV too - and guess what, I've been ill for 4 years just like you were.
I just saw your test results page. WOW! People take note - this is how to make a web page on candida.
Now on the question of your EBV - was this something you were ever aware of contracting - or did you get have it from childhood? - i.e. was this a new infection, or just the recurrence of an old (possibly childhood) infection?
If you don't ever remember contracting EBV then you most probably got it as a child because for children it is asymptomatic, where as the older you contract it, the worse your condition is, e.g. I got EBV at 28 and I was in bed for 3 months.
BTW What copper supplement did you take?
JV.
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This is a reply to # 289,328Hi Johnny - thanks for the complement on the page :)
As for EBV - like most, I was unaware that I had it. But I had TREMENDOUS muscle pain (climbing stairs was a problem!) I thought that it may be due to candida but after getting some blood work done, I realized that the muscle weakness was due to EBV. It seems more than a coincidence that most candida sufferers are also dealing with EBV. I connect this also to lowered immunity. My various doctors have told me that over 95% of the population will experience EBV in their lifetime, many will not know it. If your immune system is healthy, it will come and go but if your immune system is depressed, EBV will linger in your body a lot longer. A depressed immune system will make way for other infections as well (i.e. candida). So that is why these two syndromes seem to go hand in hand.
To answer your question, Johnny, I am pretty sure that I contracted EBV sometime during my lowered immunity period and not during my childhood. And the copper supplement that I take is by Trophic - 2 mg pills. When I began taking (as you may have read on my website), I could only take 1 pill per week. The following day, I felt horrible but I slowly was able to build up my copper levels and currently I take 6 mg per day.
For for information, check out Jon's website http://www.ithyroid.com . He also suffered from candida for a period and was able to overcome it (along with a lot of other things) by rebalancing his minerals.
Good luck!- Re: You had EBV!! Wow!! Johnny Vegas
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This is a reply to # 289,330Thanks Canuckguy.
Its such an easy thing to try copper supplementation. I'll let you know how I get on.
> If your immune system is healthy, it will come and go but if your immune system is depressed, EBV will linger in your body a lot longer. A depressed immune system will make way for other infections as well (i.e. candida). So that is why these two syndromes seem to go hand in hand.
This is very true.
I agree with so much of what you say - especially about candida not being able to survive in a healthy body. We must be immune-compromised. I like the way you look at candida as the symptom of (some) underlying immune dysfunction. I couldn't agree more. I also agree that correcting physiology (e.g. minerals) is the way to go.
I know you have a life now, but please stick around and share your wisdom when you can.
JV.
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