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January of 2015, I found out I had major parasites. I did a cleanse and got rid of a lot and lost an immediate 5 lbs going from 175 to 170, continued parasite cleansing probably on and off till May/June 2015 to get rid of them - documented this and must have had parasites for years.
I have done several Liver Flushes in the past that produced pretty big stones and ones that produced small ones, thank God for that ...praying and thinking this would cause some weight loss ... nope.
2016, last summer I biked in the heat around 8 to 10 miles at a time around 3 times a week or more, sweating profusely and ZERO WEIGHT LOSS.
It's now 2017 and I have tried to lose weight and JUST CANNOT DO IT! I am so super frustrated. I cut my drinking down to a handful of times a month since January, fasting during the day for the past 4 weeks and eating a healthy dinner and still no weight loss.
Now I am drinking apple cider vinegar, 1 lemon and coconut oil twice a day ... now it seems if my upper tummy is swelling. FRUSTRATION!!!!
I am seriously at a LOSS. I have cried and cried because the weight is not coming off.
CAN ANYONE HELP ME. PLEASE.
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Do you consume any grains ? If yes, stop.
Do you consume any milk products? If yes, stop.
Do you consume any foods with Sugar added? If yes, stop.
Do you consume a large quantity of sweet fruits? If yes, stop.
Start doing ab exercises, to tighten your muscles around your stomach.
The smaller stomach becomes, the less food you will be able to eat.
Fasting is not good for weight loss.
It is better to eat more often small amount of natural foods like almonds, apples, carrots, fish etc...
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This is a reply to # 2,362,237I do not eat bread, if I do, it is rare.
No milk, I have always hated milk! Yuk!
I don't intentionally eat foods with sugar, I have kept away from that ... but on rare occasion, I might take a few bites of my husband's dessert, but nothing in amounts that would hinder weight loss.
I am not perfect by any means! Who is? But I have cut out a lot in my life and I even became Vegan for 7 months while cycling a lot and no weight loss at all.
I don't drink soda, I quit using coffee creamer (no-dairy) and drink my coffee black. My portions are medium to small, water is my drink of choice ... so I know there is more going on.
I still remain vegan for the most part until I feel like my body really needs protein, then I will eat it.
Fasting is the only thing that seems to be helping me get more energy, food seems to bog me down. I recently found out that eating smaller during the day causes insulins spikes so that's why I am trying intermittent fasting as something completely new and I thought I would see faster results.
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This is a reply to # 2,362,122Start off by taking your morning body temperature as soon as you wake up.
Then also take it randomly throughout the day up until you go to bed.
Next, take some online quizzes to find your dosha - ayurvedic constitutional body type.
Do you have an illness with a label?
Age?
Diet? Supplements?
Have you tried gluten free?
Guesstimate of your average daily calorie intake?
Proportion of macronutrients? (protein/fat/carbohydrate)
If you want to get serious too, then get a hair mineral test and find out what's going on. Scio/epfx testing is also good if you can find someone locally.
Usually I see when people are out of balance they are eating the wrong ratios of macronutrients in relation to their body type or current imbalance. You might need to temporarily go on a high fat, high protein or high carbohydrate diet to rebalance. Or not, just depends on the situation.
It's a given your thyroid system is out, but first take the tests to see what your diet should be like to support whatever comes next like Iodine /selenium supplementation, aminos, more carbs, cleanses, etc.
If your adrenals are out then you need to go one way. Some people can gain weight while exercising if their adrenals are fried. Conversely if you have an extreme kapha excess you will need to exercise and eat light.
When the liver is is severely congested it is very hard to lose weight. Also it depends a lot on what type of weight imbalance it is, water/edema, lymph, fat, protein, sluggish metabolism, etc.
Blood Type Diet is good to *look* into like WS recommended but I do not agree with so many diet restrictions. If you have to jump through so many hoops with your diet there are deeper problems that can be addressed.
You need to press the right buttons in the right sequence to solve the problem.- Hey WHO YOU ARE NORMALLY! cloverbelle
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I have taken my temp in the morning, it used to be around 94.7 to 95 and finally got it back up after using Iodine to around 96/97 but have not taken my temp in awhile, maybe I should.
You said more carbs, what kind of carbs?
Illness, I know I had parasites and have done cleanses to rid them and had severe fatigue until I got rid of them. Have been to a holistic DR. that did say my liver was clogged, that was about a year go, have done several Liver Flushes to remove the stones. I guess I should be doing more of those but they are just some invasive and can be so nauseating. My body also doesn't make much estrogen, in the past I could lose weight, it took me a little longer, but I could do it.
Blood type is A+
I am 43
Diet mainly consists of salads, olives, romaine, chicken, small amounts of fruit ... the occasional vegan pizza with gluten free crust (this is rare) , lately I have eaten some pasta, but that is not something I eat normally, I have stayed away from that for a long time, rarely do I eat it. Dairy is nothing I have ever liked, not saying it's 100% out, but it's not something I intentionally seek after, but do give myself free days to eat normally. I eat tuna, sushi ...
But I do agree with you, if I have to jump through so many diet hoops, there is something else going on, plus a person's gotta live a little!
It seems as no matter what I eat, I stay the exact same weight, between 168-170.
I probably eat 1200 to 1300 calories a day.
I do notice I can swell easily if I eat the wrong kind of salt. I use Celtic Sea Salt only, unless I go out to eat.
How do you know if your adrenals are fried?
Took a test, said I am a mix, Kapha and Pitta. I will take a another test to test it's trueness.
Do not know how to calculate macros.
I do notice that when I fast and when I do eat, I get extremely tired. I started fasting because one, I have heard it's less work on the liver, two, because it's biblical to fast and I take that it's a form of healing.
Supplements, I have taken milk thistle, chanca piedra, potassium, iodine, bladderwrack, selenium, magnesium, niacin, vit C ... I quit taking these for awhile and started back up recently.
THANKS FOR ALL OF YOUR HELP!!
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You are not just hypothyroid but severely hypothyroid. You must have been miserable when your temp was 94f.
Iodine is only part of the solution in raising body temperature.
Until you can find a lasting solution to the thyroid, which may involve more than one avenue, do the best you can every day to keep your body temp as high as possible. You can get a hang for this by measuring your temperature throughout the day and soon enough you will learn what behaviors/foods/etc work to raise it and which lower it.
Some A blood groups do well *leaning* toward a vegan diet, you don't have to be strict, but usually A's tend to shy away from heavy/fatty meaty diets because they can't process these things due to lower stomach acid and intestinal enzymes not designed for meat. It sounds like you are already doing this.
Supposedly soy isoflavones or in plain english soy can support type A thyroid function. Yes, everyone is always whining about how soy destroys thyroid function, but for A's it is certainly worth a try for you.
At least go to the website and experiment.
http://www.dadamo.com/typebase4/typebase5/T5.pl
Don't worry about your secretor status just yet.
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1300-1500 calories is WAAAAYYYYY under. I'm not sure if you are intentionally calorie limiting or you just feel so horrible when you eat more, but in any case you need to slowly start working your way toward at least 3-4000 calories per day or more. Well, wait a sec, if you are kapha dominant this might be too much, but more on that later.
Simply undereating can be a huge stress on the whole metabolism and could be considered a cause for hypothyroidism. No gas in the in tank, no energy.
I'm always skeptical of any type of set-in-stone diet like the fruit only, meat-only, etc, but just for now in your shoes I would try both the esselstein type diet which is high in starches and also the fruit calorie diet which is high in sweet fruits. See which, if either, you improve on.
Pittas will naturally gravitate toward sweets and do well on them. Kaphas might have a sweet tooth but it will not be good for them.
Both kapha and pitta would not do well on excess salt, so that seems to be the case, but there could be more going on. The experts usually recommend eating salt to taste. If you have salt cravings , but at the same time it causes edema then it's more complicated. If you feel better eating low salt then that's sort of easy.
Have a look into adrenal fatigue symptoms on cz or other sites and see if you fit. Thyroid problems are usually tied into adrenal problems, but one is usually primary. If you have a decent amount of energy, sleep well, good blood Sugar regulation, then adrenal fatige is probably not primary for you.
Now keep in mind when you take Iodine and co-supplements it is very important to increase calorie intake accordingly. You are essentially putting your foot on the gas pedal with Iodine and without fuel you will definitely make things worse.
For macro nutrients there is no need to make it complicated. All I meant was to generally have a sense of what proportions of protein/fat/carbohydrate you gravitate to. It should be very obvious to you if you give it 30 seconds of thought.
The common denominator between kapha and pitta is dry and astringent, so lots of astringent types of vegetables would probably be good for you.
You said your weight is constant no matter what you eat, well in that case you may as well eat what you like and enjoy while you are trying to figure this out. If your constitution is kapha dominant and you were this way since childhood then perhaps weight is not a good goal to chase. But, your thyroid is definitely out so that needs to be addressed.
I didn't see many carbohydrates in your diet, so here again could be a missing link. kapha pitta carbs would be apples, berries, dry grains, basmati, etc
Don't use sodium selenite form of selenium.
Supplements - only take them if they make you feel better.
kapha-pitta liver congestion is like a double whammy as both can contribute in different ways.
I would say for now make your priority body temperature. Everything ties in of course like diet, but you need to raise this and get it stable over 98.6 asap.
Try to find out if you are kapha dominant. Aversion to dairy and salt/edema are two big kapha flags.
Do you like spicy foods?
How are you in hot weather?
Are you prone toward lung problems, coughing, congestion?
Constipation?
Is this a longstanding problem or did it begin suddenly at some point?
How many Amalgam fillings do you have in your mouth?
Do you naturally drink a lot of water or have an aversion?
Test the brassica vegetables on yourself to see if they make your thyroid functions worse (lower your body temperature/metabolism)
Get a hair mineral test from ARL, TEI or Doctor's data.
Don't supplement potassium, get it from fruits and vegetables.
Also have to throw parasites in the mix too as a cause, but you have to sort through things one by one until you get a sense of what is primary.
Kaphas would usually be able to do a lot of exercise with relative ease, and at the same time not lose weight.
Did you body type change at a certain point in your life, ie you were rail thin up until a certain age.
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This is a reply to # 2,362,426You are not just hypothyroid but severely hypothyroid. You must have been miserable when your temp was 94f.
YES I WAS COMPLETELY MISERABLE. COLD ALL OF THE TIME, WANTED TO SLEEP HOURS DURING THE DAY AND IF I DID, I STILL DIDN'T FEEL RESTED. ANKLES WERE ALWAYS HURTING AND AT ONE POINT MY KNEE STARTED TO SWELL LIKE I WAS 90. WAS AWFUL. THIS IS ALL OF THE parasite TOXIC BUILD UP.
Some A blood groups do well *leaning* toward a vegan diet, you don't have to be strict, but usually A's tend to shy away from heavy/fatty meaty diets because they can't process these things due to lower stomach acid and intestinal enzymes not designed for meat. It sounds like you are already doing this.
I HAVE NOTICED THIS, MEAT TAKES A LONG TIME FOR ME TO DIGEST AND I CAN TELL IT JUST SITS IN MY STOMACH IF I DO EAT IT. IF I DO, I EAT SMALL AMOUNTS. ON A VEGAN DIET, I DIDN'T CRAVE MEAT AT ALL, IT'S JUST HARD THOUGH, MY FAMILY GETS TOGETHER, COOKS AND I'M GREEK AND THEY THINK YOU'RE CRAZY LOL! BUT NOW I JUST ENJOY IT IF IT'S AROUND.
Supposedly soy isoflavones or in plain english soy can support type A thyroid function. Yes, everyone is always whining about how soy destroys thyroid function, but for A's it is certainly worth a try for you.
OK I LIKE SOY, I WILL TOTALLY GIVE IT A TRY. THIS IS NEW TO ME! BUT I DO NOTICE MY BODY HAS A SLIGHT REACTION TO SOY, SWELLING/SWOLLEN FINGERS. I WILL FIND AN ORGANIC BRAND.
Don't worry about your secretor status just yet.
NOT SURE WHAT SECRETOR STATUS IS....
1300-1500 calories is WAAAAYYYYY under. I'm not sure if you are intentionally calorie limiting or you just feel so horrible when you eat more, but in any case you need to slowly start working your way toward at least 3-4000 calories per day or more. Well, wait a sec, if you are kapha dominant this might be too much, but more on that later.
I KNOW THIS IS WAY UNDER, WHEN I WAS VEGAN, I WAS EATING SO MUCH FOOD AND I DIDN'T FEEL GOOD. I FEEL BETTER EATING LESS ONLY BECAUSE MY BODY IS SO SENSITIVE TO CERTAIN TYPES OF FOODS AND I CAN FEEL THE SWELLING OR BLOATING AND IT MAKES ME MISERABLE.
I'm always skeptical of any type of set-in-stone diet like the fruit only, meat-only, etc, but just for now in your shoes I would try both the esselstein type diet which is high in starches and also the fruit calorie diet which is high in sweet fruits. See which, if either, you improve on.
I HAVE TESTED THIS AND MY BODY SEEMS TO RESPOND BETTER TO FRUIT THAN IT DOES MORE STARCHES. MINIMAL STARCHES I DO BETTER. I DID A 2 WEEK FAST WITH MANGO AND BANANA SMOOTHIES AND MY SKIN WAS SO VIBRANT AND ALIVE, I LOOKED SO HEALTHY AND WENT DOWN TO 166, BUT TOTALLY WENT BACK UP TO 170 AFTER IT WAS OVER. I LOVE POTATOES EVERY ONCE IN AWHILE BUT MY BODY RESPONDS BETTER TO THE FRUIT. I DID THE DOUGALL DIET WITH POTATOES AND I FELT BOGGED DOWN AND SUPER THIRSTY AFTER EATING ALL THOSE POTATOES.
Both kapha and pitta would not do well on excess salt, so that seems to be the case, but there could be more going on. The experts usually recommend eating salt to taste. If you have salt cravings , but at the same time it causes edema then it's more complicated. If you feel better eating low salt then that's sort of easy.
YES, I NEED SALT IN MY LIFE, I WILL FEEL LIKE I HAVEN'T EATEN IF I DON'T USE IT. I DO WELL ON CELTIC Sea Salt . I NOTICED FASTING DURING THE DAY, MY BODY IS ABLE TO HANDLE THE SALT I DO EAT FOR DINNER, EVEN IF IT'S FROM EATING OUT. MY BODY IS ABLE TO PROCESS STUFF BETTER.
Have a look into adrenal fatigue symptoms on cz or other sites and see if you fit. Thyroid problems are usually tied into adrenal problems, but one is usually primary. If you have a decent amount of energy, sleep well, good blood Sugar regulation, then adrenal fatige is probably not primary for you.
I HAVE EXPERINCED ADRENAL FATIGUE, SOUNDS LIKE ME FOR SURE, BUT I CAN TELL IT HAS IMPROVED. WHETHER IT'S FROM EXERCISING / CUTTING OUT ALCOHOL OR FASTING I'M NOT SURE.
The common denominator between kapha and pitta is dry and astringent, so lots of astringent types of vegetables would probably be good for you.
I LOVE VEGGIES, IT'S MY GO TO. SO THAT IS EASY FOR ME.
I didn't see many carbohydrates in your diet, so here again could be a missing link. kapha pitta carbs would be apples, berries, dry grains, basmati, etc
I WILL INCORPORATE MORE CARBS, I DO FROM TIME TO TIME. I WAS EATING DAVE'S KILLER BREAD BUT IT EFFECTS MY BODY BUT IF I EAT A HALF OF A PIECE IT'S NOT AS BAD. I DO HAVE THE OCCASIONAL APPLE.
I would say for now make your priority body temperature. Everything ties in of course like diet, but you need to raise this and get it stable over 98.6 asap.
OK I WILL DO THIS, IS THERE ANYTHING I NEED TO DO TO RAISE IT BESIDES IODINE?
Try to find out if you are kapha dominant. Aversion to dairy and salt/edema are two big kapha flags.
DAIRY EFFECTS ME EVERY TIME, BUT DO SEEM TO BE GETTING BETTER IN THIS AREA THE MORE I TAKE CARE OF MYSELF. BUT I DO NOT LIKE MILK AT ALL.
Do you like spicy foods?
LOVE SPICY FOODS.
How are you in hot weather?
I LOVE HOT WEATHER, I AM ALL ABOUT SUMMER. I DO SWEAT EASY IN IT THOUGH. CAN'T EXERCISE WELL IN IT WHEN SOME OF MY FRIENDS THRIVE ON HOT WEATHER TO RUN.
Are you prone toward lung problems, coughing, congestion?
NO THE ONLY THING I NOTICE IS WHEN I LAUGH HARD OR FOR A LONG TIME, I WILL START TO WHEEZE and cough, I HAVE ALWAYS WONDERED WHY. BUT NORMALLY I AM NOT CONGESTED.
Constipation?
SEVERELY DURING PARASITES, BUT I HAVE WORKED HARD TO CHANGE THIS AND EVERYTHING IS WORKING NOW, BUT WHEN I FAST DURING THE DAY AND THEN EAT DINNER, I NOTICED IT'S GOTTEN A LITTLE SLOWER.
Is this a longstanding problem or did it begin suddenly at some point?
I HAVE NEVER BEEN CONSTIPATED, ONLY WHEN I HAD parasites AND DIDN'T REALIZE IT. I WAS CONSTIPATED FOR COUPLE YEARS I THINK, BUT NEVER WAS BEFORE.
How many Amalgam fillings do you have in your mouth?
I HAVE TWO, THANK GOD MY DAD TOOK ANOTHER ROUTE WITH MY TEETH AS A CHILD AND THEY TOOK ALL OF THEM OUT BUT TWO.
Do you naturally drink a lot of water or have an aversion?
LOVE WATER, IT'S MY DRINK GO TO. I HAVE TO HAVE IT.
Test the brassica vegetables on yourself to see if they make your thyroid functions worse (lower your body temperature/metabolism)
THAT'S INTERESTING, OK, I ATE ROMAINE, CABBAGE, DANDELION YESTERDAY AND I DO FEEL SLUGGISH TODAY. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S BECAUSE I ONLY ATE A HUGE SALAD LASTNIGHT WITH AVOCADO, OLIVE OIL, BLUE CHEESE MIXED WITH N. YEAST, TOMATOES, RED PEPPER, ONION ... MAYBE NOT ENOUGH CALORIES I'M SURE.
Get a hair mineral test from ARL, TEI or Doctor's data.
OK, I WILL HAVE TO FIND A DR. THAT DOES THIS.
Don't supplement potassium, get it from fruits and vegetables.
OK, I WILL GO BUY BANANAS TODAY! YOU HEAR DIFFERENT THINGS, EAT BANANAS, DON'T EAT THEM. SO CONFUSING.
Also have to throw parasites in the mix too as a cause, but you have to sort through things one by one until you get a sense of what is primary.
parasites ARE GONE AS FAR AS I KNOW! I THINK THEY JUST LEFT ME WITH A CLOGGED LIVER AND A SHOTTY THYROID.
Kaphas would usually be able to do a lot of exercise with relative ease, and at the same time not lose weight.
THIS HAVE BEEN ME, I CAN EXERCISE AND NOTHING COMES OFF. I DID NOTICE I WEIGHED 167 THIS MORNING, BUT AGAIN, I FELT KIND OF WEAK WHEN I WOKE UP, NOT ENOUGH CALORIES YESTERDAY I'M SURE OF IT. BUT THIS IS NOT ON PURPOSE, I WAS FULL.
Did you body type change at a certain point in your life, ie you were rail thin up until a certain age.
I WAS LEAN AS A KID, ALL OF MY SIBLINGS WERE (2 SISTERS, BROTHER). THEY STILL ARE EXCEPT MY BROTHER DEALS WITH WEIGHT BUT CAN LOSE IT SUPER EASY IF HE TRIES.
I NOTICED THINGS STARTED CHANGING FOR ME WHEN I WAS IN A BAD RELATIONSHIP IN MY 20s. WE WOULD GO OUT DRINKING A FEW TIMES A WEEK AND EAT FRIED FOODS. BUT EVEN THEN I COULD WORKOUT REALLY HARD, RESTRICT AND LOSE 20/25 LBS IN 2/3 MONTHS. I WAS UNDER SEVERE STRESS DURING THIS TIME AND ON TOP OF THAT I STARTED GETTING ANXIETY ATTACKS WHICH I DO NOT GET ANYMORE BY THE GRACE OF GOD. I AM MUCH MORE CALM, BUT DO HAVE ANGER OUTBURSTS ONCE IN AWHILE (POOR HUBBY! LOL)
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This is a reply to # 2,362,484One thing I'm getting is that you are hypersensitive/allergic. It seems like the slightest thing can throw you off balance like the wrong brand of salt or the wrong vegetable. This is a vata trait.
Bloating is also a vata trait. Liking summer heat would be a vata or kapha trait.
parasite infestation would be a vata imbalance as well if it's centered in the colon.
Needing and feeling good with salt is also a vata trait.
A strong imbalance in vata can propagate up as it were and create what it seems are kapha or pitta imbalances, but at the root it's really excess vata (air).
Anxiety attacks/nervous debility are also a vata related problem.
Vatas will gravitate toward moist and oily foods. Adrenal burnout syndrome is a vata disorder. Kaphas can diet/fast and exercise their way out if things whereas vata once depleted cannot do this.
I'm still trying to find out what is the best way for you to go, and it's not so easy - which again makes me think vata for you as you seem sort of like a riddle.
Highly unlikely you're rid of parasites despite your previous cleansing.
My standard step 1 for parasites is eat a lot of fresh papaya and drink fresh made sweet pineapple juice - if you can afford it. It won't cure you if you have a deep problem but both are really really good, and you're getting enzymes, potassium and easy calories in the mix that cut through bloating.
I think you can rule out pitta imbalance as primary since you like heat and spicy food and salt. Pitta would not like any of these things.
When you say you like spicy does that mean hot hot peppers or does it mean savory spices. It sounds like a mundane question but it can help narrow down your dosha.
I'm still unclear if you have an illness per se besides hypothyroid or do you just want to lose weight?
Were you ever on thyroid hormone? You might want to consider going on a natural thyroid medication - it's just gorund up animal thyroid and supposedly standardized for thyroxin content.
You don't need a doctor to get the hair tests, you can order them from mail or net via websites.
I didn't mean was your constipation long term I meant the current illness or whatever you're calling it.
Do you have dryness, brittle hair or nails?
Kapha does well with occasional fasting. If you are fasting because you are too bloated to eat, that's not really fasting, that's something else, and it's likely an extreme vata problem again. Getting the dosha accurate is one of the most difficult things.
List your top 5-6 symptoms in order of severity. It sounds like thyroid and parasites to me at this point, and you need to get your digestion in better order or learn a little more so that you aren't so reactive to the slightest things.
Have you tried triphala? It can help a lot during parasite die-off.
Thyroid needs tyrosine - from either proteins or supplements, iodine, selenium, fuel, proper functioning adrenal glands. Hair test will help to shed some light on some of the thyroid killing metals, electrolyte ratios, mineral ratios, etc.
What is the reaction you get to those foods like soy, is it more bloating or is it more edema/swelling. Bloating has more to do with air and it points to vata, edema and water retention points to kapha. Kind of sounds like you're vata kapha to me at this point but this is still guessing.
I will point you to some subtle things you might not have been oriented to. Potatoes, though they are a starch are very vata aggravating, the same goes for salads and raw vegetables, and yeasted foods. So you might say oh I don't do well with starch or bread, but you might very well be fine with cooked rice and flat breads with no yeast.
Banana and mango would be good for vatas - heavy, moist and sweet. Raw apples would be terrible for vata and doubly so if they are not sweet. Stew them and then they transform to being excellent for vata and terrible for kapha.
Back to parasites, since you like spicy foods start having a lot more of them. They are all antiparasitic, some hit way above their weight class, but you have to just go through them one by one and mark how you feel. If you like cayenne or hot peppers these are great antiparasitics.
You need to do some leg work to find out about which things cause your body temp to go down, then you can eliminate these things and see what happens.
Soy should be fermented or well-cooked, not soy milk. I think you might want to stay on some form of Iodine like kelp or low dose Lugol's even when you're not doing the official Iodine protocol - which you might want to consider as well.
Regarding water. Pitta usually feels good drinking cool spring water. Kapha might drink a lot of water, but it can actually be a negative addiction making them more edemic. Vata, not sure, they might like it or not. Extremely depleted vata would not like water. This makes sense as you're not in a terrible state now, maybe sort of a like a B-/C+
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This is a reply to # 2,362,555One thing I'm getting is that you are hypersensitive/allergic. It seems like the slightest thing can throw you off balance like the wrong brand of salt or the wrong vegetable. This is a vata trait.
** Yes, the slightest thing that's off brand can cause swelling or bloating. For example, I was noticing I was getting a bloated tummy from the SO DELICIOUS COCONUT CREAMER/VANILLA. I didn't realize it was that until I started fasting, all I had that day was a cup of coffee and that creamer, my tummy was bloated like I had just eaten a meal ... then I realized the container was left out and the container itself had swelled up and like it was bloated, tested this several times and it happens everytime that creamer is not in the fridge, the container swells.
Another instance, last summer I found a local farmer that had these huge delicious tomatoes, I was making cool tomato soup every night but afterward I would get these excruciating migraine headaches, that I would only get from when I used to use SPLENDA, terrible product!!! Anyway, once I removed the tomatoes out of my diet, the headaches went away, I can only guess it was a pesticide.
So yes, my body is super sensitive to anything that's not natural.
Needing and feeling good with salt is also a vata trait.
** Yes, I love when things are salted, but not overly salted.
Anxiety attacks/nervous debility are also a vata related problem.
** Deal with that only a little now compared to what it was, full blown anxiety attacks are now a thing of the past.
Vatas will gravitate toward moist and oily foods. Adrenal burnout syndrome is a vata disorder. Kaphas can diet/fast and exercise their way out if things whereas vata once depleted cannot do this.
** Highly sounds like I am VATA then.
I'm still trying to find out what is the best way for you to go, and it's not so easy - which again makes me think vata for you as you seem sort of like a riddle.
** HAHA! That is too funny to me, I guess I am a riddle.
Highly unlikely you're rid of parasites despite your previous cleansing.
My standard step 1 for parasites is eat a lot of fresh papaya and drink fresh made sweet pineapple juice - if you can afford it. It won't cure you if you have a deep problem but both are really really good, and you're getting enzymes, potassium and easy calories in the mix that cut through bloating.
** NO PROBLEM!! If this will help me, I am ALL about it!! I don't care what it costs. I love pineapple, too much of it will burn my lips, but maybe the juice will be different than the meat of it.
When you say you like spicy does that mean hot hot peppers or does it mean savory spices. It sounds like a mundane question but it can help narrow down your dosa.
** I like anything spicy, I don't like it downright hot I can't taste my food ... but I do love red pepper flakes, jalapeños, pepper, sirachia, spicy mayo, cayenne. I love all of that. I don't like chomping on ghost peppers or anything like that .. but anyone that knows me know that I always say ... "it's not a meal unless it's spicy!"
I'm still unclear if you have an illness per se besides hypothyroid or do you just want to lose weight?
** I was diagnosed with Hypogonadism where my ovaries quit growing and I did not make estrogen, but if I was on the pill I had a period, if I wasn't, the period left. Haven't had a period in YEARS! Sorry I thought I had mentioned that. No kids, been married 17 years and never used any form of birth control.
***** I for sure want to lose weight too!!!
Were you ever on thyroid hormone? You might want to consider going on a natural thyroid medication - it's just gorund up animal thyroid and supposedly standardized for thyroxin content.
** I was on something and it just did not seem to help me at all, the rest of it is still in my cabinet. I will start using it again.
I didn't mean was your constipation long term I meant the current illness or whatever you're calling it.
** What I have been going through has been about 3 years or more ... but it had gotten worse in 2014 and that's when I discovered I had parasites.
Do you have dryness, brittle hair or nails?
** No I don't have brittle hair, but I do have brittle toe nails. Like they have vertical lines through them. When I get a pedicure, they have to file them to disappear but they always come back. I can remember having that when I was 5 years old.
Kapha does well with occasional fasting. If you are fasting because you are too bloated to eat, that's not really fasting, that's something else, and it's likely an extreme vata problem again. Getting the dosha accurate is one of the most difficult things.
** No, I am fasting to avoid the bloating, it seems as if I eat during the day I will stay bloated, but eating once a day (along with some fruit, I am better)
List your top 5-6 symptoms in order of severity. It sounds like thyroid and parasites to me at this point, and you need to get your digestion in better order or learn a little more so that you aren't so reactive to the slightest things.
1 - Sensitivity to food / bloating / this includes feeling my thyroid swell after foods that don't agree with me
2- Weight gain that won't go away / occasional constipation
3-Tiredness after I eat or get tired mid-day / off sleep patterns
4-Anger outbursts, may not sound like a symptom, but I think it is ...
5-Brain fog / forget memories
Have you tried triphala? It can help a lot during parasite die-off.
** NO BUT I WILL GET THAT RIGHT AWAY!
Thyroid needs tyrosine - from either proteins or supplements, iodine, selenium, fuel, proper functioning adrenal glands. Hair test will help to shed some light on some of the thyroid killing metals, electrolyte ratios, mineral ratios, etc.
** Can I get it from Brazil nuts?
What is the reaction you get to those foods like soy, is it more bloating or is it more edema/swelling. Bloating has more to do with air and it points to vata, edema and water retention points to kapha. Kind of sounds like you're vata kapha to me at this point but this is still guessing.
** Soy, at first some bloating but the next day I am swollen in my fingers and this might help and I don't understand it ... when a food doesn't agree like soy, my left side pointer finger will swell. It's the craziest thing! I AM A RIDDLE! lol.
I will point you to some subtle things you might not have been oriented to. Potatoes, though they are a starch are very vata aggravating, the same goes for salads and raw vegetables, and yeasted foods. So you might say oh I don't do well with starch or bread, but you might very well be fine with cooked rice and flat breads with no yeast.
** Should I not eat salads?
Banana and mango would be good for vatas - heavy, moist and sweet. Raw apples would be terrible for vata and doubly so if they are not sweet. Stew them and then they transform to being excellent for vata and terrible for kappa.
** I will keep on with the banana and mango, my body seems to love that combo.
Regarding water. Pitta usually feels good drinking cool spring water. Kapha might drink a lot of water, but it can actually be a negative addiction making them more edemic. Vata, not sure, they might like it or not. Extremely depleted vata would not like water. This makes sense as you're not in a terrible state now, maybe sort of a like a B-/C+
** I like lukewarm water, not cold ... that's rare.
If I am depleted I do notice my body wants a half a glass of orange juice. Not lemonade, limeade or anything like that ... just OJ.
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This is a reply to # 2,362,564Ok let's assume you're vata/kapha for the time being, which one is primary is unknown.
Google for vata/kapha diet. It is important to eat seasonally. Autumn is vata season and spring is kapha.
For water drinking, first boil your water down from a ratio of 2:1 ie pour two cups of water into pot, boil down to 1 cup, cool it off and drink warm.
Better is to add fennel, cumin, ginger.
Ginger should be a big part of your life as it pacifies vata and kapha well. You can juice it, grind it and cook with it, have it in tea, add it to your orange juice. Garlic also should help. Also look into asafoetida. But all of these are covered if you google a little bit.
Mint should also help with bloating to some degree. But if the main cause is parasites you have to address that. Diet will interact with the parasites but sometimes you have to just attack.
Between vata and kapha all of the savory and pungent spices are covered so more spices are in order, herb teas with any of the spices that you like.
Have a try with Realsalt (brand name from Utah salt lake beds), different colors of himalayan salt, and okinawan salt.
Why do you stop at half a glass of orange juice? I guess this is a good compromise between vata and kapha, though if you feel good with banana and orange (sweet?), then maybe you don't have a problem with sweets. It's very important for fruit to be ripe and sweet. I think adding in ginger to your fruit juice will help tremendously.
If you can get into the sun a lot during the summer that would be good.
Vata should not eat anything cold out of the refrigerator; everything should be cooked fresh, even water should be cooked (boiled). I would try avoiding salads and see how that goes. Then go back to it and see the difference.
Lemons!!!! A good drink is lemonade made with raw honey and a pinch of salt. Raw honey only. Rqw honey can be very good for both kapha and vata.
Try some asian fish sauce for a source of natural iodine.
Don't jump back into taking thyroid hormone unless you are supervised or feel confident you can self treat properly. The hormones must not be synthetic, and there are only a very few brands that are natural now. You could try a raw thyroid glandular, not sure how easy it is to get these now but i think there are New Zealand sources?
Brazil nuts are a source of selenium, not tyrosine. Tyrosine is an amino acid found in protein foods and I think spirulina.
Cook all of your foods except fruit, and even fruit you might want to try cooked.
Have some ginger/lemon/salt drink a little before eating to help bloating.
You will probably have to get back into parasite and Liver Cleansing again, but first do as much diet work as you can, I think a lot of this will help you and it will make the next cleansing a lot easier. Look into taking a good mineral supplement and maybe a good food source multivitamin.
People on the parasite forum will help you and there is plenty of help in the Liver Flush Forum .
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** Yeah, I have studied both and I am more VATA than Kapha, but do have Kapha characteristics
For water drinking, first boil your water down from a ratio of 2:1 ie pour two cups of water into pot, boil down to 1 cup, cool it off and drink warm.
** It's amazing that I always want warmer water and everyone thinks something is wrong with me!! haha.
Ginger should be a big part of your life as it pacifies vata and kapha well. You can juice it, grind it and cook with it, have it in tea, add it to your orange juice. Garlic also should help. Also look into asafoetida. But all of these are covered if you google a little bit.
** I am a ginger lover ... I will incorporate it more.
Love garlic, I have a whole container of whole, peeled garlic all the time.
Mint should also help with bloating to some degree. But if the main cause is parasites you have to address that. Diet will interact with the parasites but sometimes you have to just attack.
** Always have mint around, I just bought a mint plant 3 weeks ago and eat the leaves occasionally.
Have a try with Realsalt (brand name from Utah salt lake beds), different colors of himalayan salt, and okinawan salt.
** Thank you, I am always looking for top notch salt.
Why do you stop at half a glass of orange juice? I guess this is a good compromise between vata and kapha, though if you feel good with banana and orange (sweet?), then maybe you don't have a problem with sweets. It's very important for fruit to be ripe and sweet. I think adding in ginger to your fruit juice will help tremendously.
** My body never wants a whole glass of OJ. I'm not sure why, 4 oz does me good. I don't have a problem with sweets ... I have always naturally had a sweet tooth, ever since I was little, but that was more candy. But do love sweet fruits.
If you can get into the sun a lot during the summer that would be good.
** I work from home and take several breaks in the day to spend time in the sun. My body CRAVES IT!
Vata should not eat anything cold out of the refrigerator; everything should be cooked fresh, even water should be cooked (boiled). I would try avoiding salads and see how that goes. Then go back to it and see the difference.
** I am curious to see what this will do. I ate cooked veggies (broccoli, bamboo shoots, red pepper,etc) in red curry last night and it was so satisfying.
Don't jump back into taking thyroid hormone unless you are supervised or feel confident you can self treat properly. The hormones must not be synthetic, and there are only a very few brands that are natural now. You could try a raw thyroid glandular, not sure how easy it is to get these now but i think there are New Zealand sources?
** The one I have is not synthetic and is from New Zealand source.
Cook all of your foods except fruit, and even fruit you might want to try cooked.
** done. thank you for giving me this clue or secret to help my body. Will this reduce bloating??
I will keep you updated on how it goes.
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oysters, clams, scallops, mussels (all high in zinc to address you hypo-g). Get your zinc tested!
Asparagus is now in season.
Licorice root.
re: thyroid glandular, for whatever reason I think that some people do not do well on those glandulars vs thyroid medications sourced from animals, but it's trial and error.
Castor oil packs over the abdomen
Try a few different probiotic brands since you don't eat dairy.
Cooked onions are an excellent prebiotic.
Learn how to cook indian cuisine if you don't know already.
Where is the bloating centered, up high in the stomach or lower?
Fresh carrot/ginger/beet juice
Oh I forgot about kitchari. Do you know how to make that? This could be really really good for you, especially well-spiced.
Sesame oil is vata specific. As a greek I'm sure you're well-versed in olive oils.
Are you taking advantage of the whole arrasy of spices? Like cinnamon, cardamom, black cardamom, bay leaf, cloves, fennel, ginger, garlic, turmeric, curry leaves, coriander seed and leaf, cumin, black pepper, white pepper, fenugreek, anise, star anise, nigella sativa, nutneg, mustard seed( might cause thyroid problem), mustard oil, plus all the hot capsicums, oregano, thyme, etc etc
Almost every one of these herbs is antiparasitic. You can take teaspoons of cinnamon in juice, for example, or more if tolerated, and it's an extremely potent anti-parasitic.
If you like fried foods, use coconut oil to fry. It is likely that high temperature heating of the oil releases the lauric acid and is an extremely potent fungal killer and also worm killer. One lady from here started using it and was passing globs of candida.
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This is a reply to # 2,362,898go to mary shomon's site stop the thyroid madness.
some people are hypersensitive to the source of the thyroid pills, either bovine or porcine, try both.
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I love seafood so I do well with clams, oysters, scallops etc.
I've done castor oil packs before, I actually had it release stones and parasites.
Love cooked onions and now that you have opened my eyes to cooking my food more instead of raw ... I do remember losing weight around 2011 when I started cooking everything, sautéed onions, beans, broccoli etc. I'm excited to see how this changes my body's reaction to food.
Bloating is lower stomach but I've noticed if I am sensitive to something the bloating is just right below the surface of the skin.
I am taking advantage of the spices but not as many as you listed ... will stock up on those!
Love Indian food so I will learn to cook it!!
Also love seasame oil too
Don't know what Kitchari is will research that.
I do like fried food but it's rare, usually when I vacation at the beach. My favorite is fried oysters.
Again, I can't thank you enough ... I hope this thread helps someone!
Update: I just went to Mary Shomon site and I've never heard of MUCIN and that is exactly what is causing my bloating when I said it's just below the skin!! Wow this is an eye opener and I dug and found out NAC helps get rid of mucin since what I'm reading people say it's the hardest thing to get rid of ... I hope someone who is having thyroid issues comes across this.- broccoli and beans - good for kapha,... WhoAreYouNormally
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This is a reply to # 2,363,245broccoli and beans - good for kapha, not so good for vata unless they are very well spiced and cooked. Watch out for those two.
There's an herb you might try called guggulu
https://www.banyanbotanicals.com/info/ayurvedic-living/living-ayurveda/herbs/guggulu/
You might also try chyawanprash
http://www.favorfinesse.com/dbrchawanprash.shtml
I bet it will taste very good to you, not sure how you will react though.
Consider foods fried in coconut oil as a separate entity from other oils, treat it as if you would a new supplement and see how you react.
I think it would be a good idea to make your own ghee and use it for cooking.
http://www.seriouseats.com/2015/08/how-to-clarify-butter.html
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Although I love beans, I feel as if they don't 100% agree with me, so thank you for letting me know.
I'm super excited to try all of the things you suggested ....
Coconut oil as a a new supplement?? Is that good for the thyroid? I've read it is but you never know what you can believe. Have you personally or someone you know have a good experience with it for losing weight? Etc?
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This is a reply to # 2,363,360Every time you post it makes me think you're more and more vata.
Well-cooked tofu or maybe urad dal could be ok, but beans really aren't a good choice for vata.
You might find that you can tolerate well-cooked, non-yeasted wheat flour products.
I didn't recommended coconut only for weight loss. Weight loss will be a side effect of raising your metabolic rate.
Enough people anecdotally have reported weight loss from coconut oil that it is certainly worth a try.
Also this http://raypeat.com/articles/articles/coconut-oil.shtml
I usually like to work on multiple levels at the same time. For example coconut oil is high up on list of non-pufa highly saturated, high smoke-point, vegetable oils. I have tried all oils and fats I could get my hands on and continually, frying in coconut oil causes no problems and only benefits.
It is high in mct fats which can supposedly bypass the liver for processing and produce energy dircectly. It doesn't mean this will work for you but there is a good chance. The fact that you have extreme vata imbalance makes me think that cooking the hell out of foods (aka frying) will help you digest, kill food-borne pathogens, and generally just be a win with not a lot of downside.
Coconut or sesame oil is good for massage. You might find it helps the under-the-skin bloating problem. I don't exactly understand what you wrote about this, but I think maybe it's toxic lymph.
Indian cooking, where they use a lot of pufa oils - though traditionally this may not have been the case as ghee might have been the staple oil - probably mitigates the negative effects of the pufa with all of the spices than transmute the oil into just a carrier for the spice essential oils/antioxidants/polyphenols/health-promoting-goodness.
Ray Peat has a lot to say about pufa oils and thyroid/metabolic suppression.
When you eat meats you should try to eat grass/wild fed as well, at least for a thorough testing to see what it does to you. Grass fed butter/ghee has a chance at helping your metabolic rate.
I suspect that once you get a handle on this, and it works, which we certainly hope it will, and you are able to double your calorie intake or more, then you will be able to revist a lot of the cleansing you did in the past with better results.
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This is a reply to # 2,363,392Eat your beets.
Beet soup.
Cooked beets.
beet juice
beet salad
try for 5 days a week if you can manage it.
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This is a reply to # 2,363,536Thank you for all of your valuable information.
The more I research Vata, I think you're right.
What Mary SHOMON calls MUCIN ... the part you didn't understand ... I think is what you are calling toxic lymph. Does toxic lymph react to aggravating foods? What gets toxic lymph out??! I'm thinking maybe activated charcoal and diatomaceous earth does. If you have any other suggestions I'd like to hear them!!
Beets, I will incorporate those too .. what do they do for you? I guess I can research that.
Wanted to say you were right about parasites, I took some natural herb pills with garlic, turmeric, aloe, cayenne etc low and behold! I passed a pretty big parasite! I really thought I was out of the woods on this, but I will incorporate the foods and spices you suggested first before I do a cleanse.
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This is a reply to # 2,363,536Hey, I just wanted to give you an update. I have been drinking banana smoothies with mangos, blackberries, spirulina for a late lunch and then eating in moderation, whatever I want for dinner ... but the thing I have done differently, which I can't believe I haven't discovered before .. is drinking CORIANDER TEA. I bought coriander seeds, boil a pint of water add 4 TBS of the seeds and let sit for 5 minutes. I read where this heals the thyroid if you do it for 30 days straight (its an Ayurvedic method)
Well, it's working!! I was constantly staying at 170/171 .. I am now at 163 lbs and I probably haven't been this in 3 to 4 years! Needless to say, I am super happy. This is without exercising too :)
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This is a reply to # 2,387,704Coriander is great.
I was experimenting with guduchi for a while and it worked ok, a bit better than milk thistle. I have a whole arsenal of liver remedies accumulated over the years.
I don't remember if it was an accident or how I came up with the following but I took some ground coriander powder in juice and got a similar but stronger (good) feeling as the guduchi and came to the conclusion that coriander might be a better liver strengthening herb than guduchi (which is supposed to be one of the best).
Coriander seed will pull heavy metals out of the body imo better than the leaf.
Anyway it worked great for you and that's all that counts. I wonder if taking it like I did, just the ground seed, in juice would be better than tea.
Coriander has a cooling property so it will probably target pitta more than vata but once there is congestion in the liver perhaps it doesn't matter, since the liver is a pitta organ.
Have you also tried turmeric powder, taken same way, in juice or liquid. I say powder just because I think the capsules are total bs and ripoff. They try to get people to think that you must standardize the amount of curcurmin you're taking at each dose, what a load of b.s.
Plus the bulk herb powder is so much cheaper than capsules.
edit: I'm just thinking out loud - I wonder also if good espresso would help you too. It's a bitter and therefore imo a pitta pacifying food. If turmeric and espresso helped as much as the coriander then it would point to more of a pitta imbalance.
Did you notice a change in stool color from bile after taking your coriander?
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