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Hello,
I'm at somewhat of a crossroad and need help in deciding how best to proceed.
I've been working with two functional medicine practitioners over the past several months. Each has recommended a gut healing protocol. I am trying now to decide which option makes most sense.
A little background about myself: I'm 27 years old and have been dealing with cystic acne, to varying degrees, for over 10 years now. From 2008 to roughly 2012, I was on a variety of antibiotics, including Doxycycline, Bactrim, and Solodyn. In recent years, I have also dealt with dry eyes. My eyes were always somewhat dry but it wasn't until several months after I had LASIK that they became much worse. The cystic acne, dry eyes, and fatigue are the worst of my symptoms, but I also experience cold hands and feet, oily and dry skin, dark circles under my eyes, irritable bowel, brain fog, social anxiety, etc.
This past summer I had several tests done, including the BH 401H (GI Pathogens Screen), which uncovered a light growth of aspergillus and citrobacter. The first practitioner I worked with (who advised option 1) was not aware of this, as I had this test done at a later time through the other practitioner.
My goal in essentially implementing a 4R/gut healing program is to address my test results as well as to counter years of antibiotic overuse. While option 2 adds things like liver and adrenal support and seems to be the more comprehensive protocol, my biggest problem with this is that it's $2,400 over three months, which just seems sort of insane. I want to heal myself but at the same time I want to make sure that I'm being very careful with my money.
Is anyone familiar with any of these products? Biocidin seems to be the gold standard among the functional medicine community for pathogen eradication but it has been difficult to find any information on these products outside of the manufacturer's website. Some things I'm wondering: Are these products safe? Can they used for three or more months? Can taking natural antibiocitcs, especially after years of using harsh prescription antibiotics, cause more damage to the gut? I have tried to include in parenthesis the intended use of each supplement, if known.
OPTION 1:
Metagenics Candibactin BR (Antimicrobial)
Numedica Gluten Support Tri-Flora Plus (Probiotic)
Azeopangen Extra Strength (Digestive Enzymes)
Numedica B-Replete (Vitamin B Supplement)
Numedica Dual Detox DPO (Detoxing Agent)
Numedica Magnesium Citrate (Detoxing Agent)
Lauricidin
Numedica Gluten Sensitivity GI Support
Metagenics Glutagenics Powder
OPTION 2:
BioMatrix Adapt Align (Adrenal Support)
BioMatrix Licorice Root Extract (Adrenal Support)
Gaia Energy Vitality (Adrenal Support)
BioMatrix Support Digestion (Digestive Enzymes)
BioMatrix Support Liver (Liver Support)
Gaia Liver Health (Liver Support)
BioMatrix Support Mucosa (Mucosal Barrier Repair)
OMP Glutashield (Mucosal Barrier Repair)
OMP Ortho Biotic (Probiotic)
OMP Candicid Forte (Pathogen Eradication)
Biocidin Liquid (Biofilm Dissolver)
Biocidin Capsules (Biofilm Dissolver)
Biotonic (Pathogen Eradication)
Olivirex (Anti-Microbial Agent)
G.I. Detox (Pathogen Eradication)
Any help is very appreciated.
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- Re: Need Advice on How Best to Proce... Pamster
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This is a reply to # 2,298,031I had acne, and always had tummy/digestion issues. I started with my diet. Anything that made me bloat was gone first.
Then I went on probiotics that can survive stomach acid.
I also pay attention to my saliva PH. It has been 7.2 for almost a year now, and my digestion is much better for it, because I have so much alkalinity.
But when it was 4.8, my stomach acid was low, which led to parasites, undigested food, and nutritional deficiencies.
I always make 1 new change at a time (one supplement at a time), and track it's progress.
- Re: Need Advice on How Best to Proce... john457
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This is a reply to # 2,298,176Thanks for the reply. I used to introduce one supplement at a time (e.g., digestive enzymes, lactoferrin, etc.) but it seemed to make no difference. One of the reasons I turned away from allopathic medicine is because the notion of a pill for an ill seemed unrealistic. Well, by the same measure, I don't really believe that one or two supplements alone are going to alleviate my symptoms. A lot of supplements also work synergistically (e.g., Vitamin D3 and K2) so you need them in combination with one another to notice any improvement.
The idea of a gut healing protocol makes sense. Reinoculate the gut with good bacteria by taking a quality probiotic. Remove pathogenic bacteria by taking an anti-microbial and bio-film dissolving agents. Support digestion through digestive enzymes. Support the liver and adrenals during the process of detoxification. Rebuild the intestinal mucosal barrier with l-glutamine. I think that's pretty standard for every gut healing program.
How did you check your saliva pH and stomach acid?- Re: Need Advice on How Best to Proce... Pamster
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This is a reply to # 2,298,904You can buy PH strips at health food stores for $10. Before you brush in the morning, test your saliva.
When my saliva was 4.8, I had almost no stomach acid to digest anything (you need alkalinity to make stomach acid).
The first place to look when your digestion is bad, is leaky gut. Do you have those symptoms?
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This is a reply to # 2,298,031Ya none of that will work if your dite is not in check. You can NOT eat dairy or gluten of any kind. And NO nightshades of any kind also. Need to get tested for hidden food allergies also.
Then you need to get rid of the fungus that I'm sure is in your intestines. Try Oxypowder take it till you are peeing out your butt then take more of it.
Then do a fecal transplant.
Are these doctors natural paths? I really hope not they don't know what they are talking about.
Need to stay away from Sugar also. If you have bad reaction to carbs...well that one is tricky because once your blood Sugar drops your body goes after the intestines cells for energy and causes more damage. So I will leave the carb debate up to you
You need to take l glutamine also must people need around 30 grams per day.- Re: Need Advice on How Best to Proce... john457
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This is a reply to # 2,298,183I've been following a paleo diet for well over a year now. I also had an advanced food allergy test back in the summer (the MRT/Leap test through Oxford Biomedical). There were a few highly reactive foods that showed up on the test. These I avoid. But there were also some moderately reactive foods that I have not yet eliminated. I do not eat dairy or gluten but I still eat nightshades (peppers, tomatoes, etc.) from time to time. I try to limit my Sugar intake.
The health professionals I'm working with are not naturopaths (thankfully). They are affiliated with functional medicine, which is a more science-based approach, involving lab tests, for uncovering and treating hidden internal stressors (e.g., fungal overgrowths, hormone imbalances, etc.).
I have not heard of Oxypowder but will look into it.
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This is a reply to # 2,298,031Also that's alot crap to take at once. God knows the amount of heavy metals they have. Find some one else looks like they just want to sell you stuff.
Find a naturopath that does vitamin c IV- Re: Need Advice on How Best to Proce... john457
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This is a reply to # 2,298,188It is a lot of stuff to take; however, at least for the second option, I would titrate or slowly introduce supplements one at a time over a period of a few weeks. The idea is that this would allow my body to acclimate to a detox protocol rather than diving into it full force all at once.
I know supplements can be a source of heavy metals but is there any reason to believe that this would also be the case with the brands I listed? This is what Biocidin lists on its website:
Our products are formulated by and are designed for health professionals. All botanicals used in our formulations are of the highest USP grade quality, are tested for purity, and come with Certificates of Analysis. There are no synthetic fillers or additives used, and all products are hypo-allergenic and are free of artificial flavors and colorings. Vegi-caps are used rather than gelatin capsules in manufacturing all encapsulated products. Our manufacturing facilities are federally and state licensed to produce nutritional supplements and are certified to follow Good Manufacturing Practices (cGMP’s).
Product testing using American Association of Analytical Chemists (AOAC) methods are standard operating procedure. Independent laboratories are used to test for effectiveness and all products are tested in clinical usage by physicians before being added to our product line.
While that all sounds nice, I wonder if any of their product testing is available for public consumption.
Have you ever read "Clean Gut" by Dr. Alejandro Hunger? It's on the most basic and popular gut healing programs. This is essentially what I want to do. To heal my gut, tackling it from multiple angles.
- Re: Need Advice on How Best to Proce... GodHealsAll
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This is a reply to # 2,298,908Hey I just did this a few months ago, you have to be pretty strict in your diet to make sure you dont feed candida or parasites. There are alot of things I took to heal my gut while killing candida. If I were you I would do a parasite cleanse first and eat as clean as possible then start killing candida with Olive Leaf, Oil of Oregano, Pao D arco and Grapefruit seed. Alternate every four days. Take each 3 times a day, except the tea just make 3-4 teabags and drink throughout the day. Also buy Ghee and Great lakes Gelatin Collagen Hydrolysate, those two will help heal your gut but you cant heal it while its full of candida so you have to kill that. Youll also want to take Diatomaceouse Earth with Bentonite clay and Alkalize your body buy eating greens and drinking Lemon and lime water. The DE dices up the cnadida and parasites while the clay absorbs them so you can get rid of them from your body. Hope this helps.
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This is a reply to # 2,298,031Being very honest with you, I feel like you know more than the people who replied to you unfortunately - such is the case in these forums sometimes.
Trust your gut (... ironic huh). Money is concern, why not the first option that uses less medicine to save money and to help your system by not overloading with it with things it needs to digest and filter out? If that doesn't work, then do option #2. I don't think those doctors are dumb, there is truth in everything. Feel free to PM for advice, though I don't relate to what you're going through, just know that I am around to answer questions if you need it. - Re: Need Advice on How Best to Proce... #39806
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This is a reply to # 2,298,031From scanning your list, you've got a good bit of research under your belt.
It'd be remiss though if I didn't mention butyric acid for you in relation to your listed symptoms.
Here's how it acts as a regulator of a healthy gut wall (repair of mucosa), triggers healthy immune responce while lowering inflammatory cytokines, and keeps bowel movements regular:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84DcLcDOeV4
It is part of GABA, Gamma Amino Butyric Acid, a neurotransmitter that helps produce insulin, lowers anxiety (it's the major balancer of the exitory glutamate) and helps one fall asleep, and a good deal of other functions.
Butyrate is important in the maintenance of mucosal cells across the whole body, including the delicate skin tissues (under the eyes and in the lining of the eyelids), in the pancreatic and hepatic tissues (mucosal cells line the bile and pancreatic ducts), and.. well.. yeah. You have mucosal lining repair listed in your supplements list.
I'm not gonna say it's an immediate fix, but it is a great help, and -much- preferred by IBS/chronic constipation/bowel disorder sufferers for calming of flareups. It can be used either as capsules (as Sodium Butyrate, best smelling) or as fishing bait liquid (pure butyric acid) 1-2 drops in a full glass of water as needed. It's also fine for enemas, and applying on rashes and burns to speed healing of the underlayer of the skin.
In reguards to the history of Antibiotics , there's well.. a plenty familiar trend there. <:) Ideally there's a balance of both fungi and digestive bacteria in the gut, but Antibiotics let fungal-type reactions take over, and that's really uncomfortable when it gets chronic. As you and I both know (the mental side effects you list, they're similar here). There's some reports that over in russia it's popular to proscribe antifungals together with Antibiotics , to try and counter eachother.
Olive leaf extract's on your supplements list, it's quite useful.
I still use the butyrate intermittently for relaxation and maintenance, but after my first bout of using it regularly, I have been pretty regular and with healthy bowel movements. It's ideal to use alongside a quality probiotic, because of how it acts on fellow gut flora-
it inhibits candida and similar bacterium from entering their hyphal (infectious and biofilmic state).
It acts as a growth trigger for the probiotic strains being ingested.
It triggers the gut lining to begin producing mucous, which provides a material for the probiotic strains to adhedere to.
Remember your prebiotics! Carrots, whole grain rice cooked with a tablespoon of coconut oil and then cooled, whole grains, and potatos are the perfect sources of resistant starches, and those are gut bugger food.
God bless, and happy late-sent new year!
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