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When I look over the protocols called for healing leaky gut, I am noticing quite a few things that are either just fighting symptoms or making things worse.
I do agree that anything irritating to the gut need to be taken out of the diet including nuts, seeds, nightshades, dairy, corn, gluten, alcohol etc.
However, killing off parasites, yeast, candida, and taking in high volumes of animal proteins doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me if the liver is still highly congested.
If the liver is still congested, and we intake lots of animal products and kill off the parasites, yeast etc, we are setting the precondition for even more of these critters to inhabit our bodies, which have proven to drill holes through our intestines.
All animal products contain lots of parasites and are more often than not, high in Antibiotic components that would depopulate good bacteria and require 'bad' bacteria to come in to break down all of this animal flesh that is rotting and putrefying in the digestive tract.
The practitioners who I respect and take their advice seriously like Andreas, have repeated several times that these 'bad' bacteria and critters have an important purpose, which is to break up and consume undigested waste material in our bodies. As long as you are coming up short on bile output, causing the intestines to remain dirty and congested, these bacteria are absolutely vital to keeping you clean enough to prevent further intoxication, deeper in the body tissues. Every time we kill off these critters without pulling a rug out from under the root cause, like bile duct congestion, you allow this toxicity to sit and rot for even longer periods of time .. and they will just return in higher numbers next time anyhow.
I understand that collagen fiber is necessary to seal the gut back closed, but I feel that once the liver is truly clean and outputting proper volumes of bile that the body will regain enough strength, energy and vitality to heal itself no matter what.
Because the modern diet is already poisoned with extreme levels of protein, I wouldn't imagine the body is running low in this resource, and can use these other storages of collagen for the healing of the gut when necessary.
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This is a reply to # 2,246,081I think it's very important to consider the health of your mouth when addressing leaky gut. If you have a toxic mouth it's not going to matter what supplements you take, you are swallowing the toxins constantly. I definitely had a leaky gut and all the symptoms but am getting better rapidly, mostly by diet changes, and partly (I believe) by oil pulling.
I've been oil pulling regularly for about a year now, and while it seemed to make me feel worse for a time, my salivary glands have started to produce much better. In a good way my mouth is very wet all the time. So maybe a toxic mouth has low production of saliva? Which stifles digestion? Maybe the salivary glands were even infected with something that I was constantly swallowing?
Cleaning your mouth up is definitely important, but also the definition of "leaky gut" needs to be examined. I have food sensitivities - lots of them - I eat very healthy, so a do-nut in my body destroys me. My friends joke about it, saying they're tougher and can eat anything, but they don't understand. Tougher doesn't mean better. If you smoke 50 cigarettes a day you won't cough, but if I have one I certainly will. So is toughness just numbness? Should you simply embrace your "leaky" gut and eat a diet that resonates with it? I did and it has helped immensely. I excluded all foods that gave me the wrong reaction and now feel great. Maybe a stomach that allows more things through is exactly what you want, if you are putting the right things in it. Are you going to cure your leaky gut so that foods you shouldn't eat in the first place stop bothering you?
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This is a reply to # 2,246,177Hi!
based on your post, i am wondering whether you think that leaky gut is something that technically never goes away?? i sometimes wonder whether the structural damage that is done is irreversible?
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This is a reply to # 2,246,081I'm glad to see this post, because this is something that i have been dealing with personally. I have been dealing with leaky gut for almost a year now and even on a paleo autoimmune diet (for hashimotos) and with probiotics, l-glutamine, a digestive enzyme with hcl, and a digestive enzyme that supports the gallbladder, i still have not seen any progress in my gut healing. ive had pain over my liver for the past 4 or so months, with high liver enzymes, undigested food in my stools, poor digestion, and very dark circles under my eyes.
ive been told i have a poor functioning liver by a chinese medical doctor, so i know that it is something i need to address.
i think that my lack of progress with healing my gut is because my liver is so backed up. even with a very very healthy anti-inflammatory diet and supplements, without a healthy liver, i am not clearing the toxins from my body.
the doctor ive been working with has not focused on my liver at all, and says that we need to heal the gut first. the problem with this is that the liver is a part of the gut!!!
what are you best suggestions for working on the liver detox? im not sure that my body is ready for flushing yet.
any supplements to increase its ability to detoxify?
maybe once my liver is healed, my digestive system will improve.
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This is a reply to # 2,246,268Yea, I truly feel this is the missing link in your case.
The problem is not so much the toxicity in the liver, but the structural blockages of hardened clumps of bile and cholesterol that are preventing proper volumes of bile from being secreted.
I have had leaky gut all along without even knowing it, and I kept eating tons of grains, dairy, soy, nuts, seeds, nightshades etc, but I was flushing my liver persistently. I have carried out over 70 flushes now, and I have gradually gotten better and better after every flush.
Now that I have gone off all intestinal irritants, the recovery process is going to speed up even more.
If you keep up the good diet you are on, get good nigh sleeps and flush your liver every three weeks exactly to the instructions in the book, I feel that you will recovery, but only then.
Andreas Moritz reminds us that once the liver is clean, the body is preconditioned to heal itself, no matter what that involves. The liver is a powerhouse, and not only does it carry out so many digestive functions, but it's bile is responsible for keeping the colon clean and tidy. As long as the colon is dirty, bad bacteria and parasites will continue to grow and multiply there, thereby increasing propensity for intestinal permeability etc.
The first step is to buy Andreas Moritz 's liver and gallbladder flush book, and also 'Timeless Secrets Of Health And Rejuvenation'. After reading each, you may have an entirely different outlook on eating meat. The bone broth is pretty good, but all the animal flesh involved in the paleo diet and such is in my opinion not necessary and further aggravates some parts of the condition. The paleo and others don't take into consideration severe liver congestion. They are just looking at the scenario as if the only problem in existence is the leaky gut. When bile output is compromised, eating all those fats and proteins is very difficult for the body to process, causing the lymphatic system to congest, which then dumps more waste material into the bile ducts for elimination, thereby causing a cycle of complications.
What you can do in the meantime is coffee enemas to start unloading some of the toxicity so that you're not as overwhelmed by the release during your flushes in the future.
They dilate the bile ducts, let more bile past the congestion and cause the gallbladder to dump it's contents. It is very good at aiding digestion and cleaning the colon as well.
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This is a reply to # 2,246,324Wow, thank you so much for your suggestions and input.
i partially wonder whether a malfunctioning liver actually created a leaky gut for me in the first place. when i look back at my history of symptoms, i notice that the first symptoms i had were ones of low thyroid and adrenal stress just 2 or 3 months after i took myself off of antidepressants, cold turkey (And i had been on them for 11 years).
could it be possible that years of taking antidepressants actually weakened my liver, to the point where when i became very stressed, my body was not able to process toxins, and this led to a leaky gut?
what bothers me is that the functional medicine doctor that ive been seeing doesnt seem to think that getting my liver clean first and foremost is necessary. when i mentioned my high liver enzymes, bile reflux, and liver pain to her, she said that first we need to heal my gut and boost my immune system. the problem with this is that if i have a faulty liver, all of these supplements for leaky gut wont even get processed!!!
i am ready to start doing enemas, but i am wondering whether i need to clean my colon and kidneys first? or does Liver Cleansing come before colon cleansing? there are so many opinions to this that i have no idea what to believe.- Re: Healing leaky gut via flushing a... Heavensky
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This is a reply to # 2,246,597Absolutely, anti-depressants and drugs alike cause severe liver stress, which causes it to slow down and delay it's processes, causing stones to form. They also load up the bile ducts with these chemicals, which changes the consistency and make up of bile, causing stones in that way as well.
All of my problems started right after taking anti-anxiety medications and others for similar emotional disorders. I could see my skin going white and starting to wrinkle more easily, and eventually my liver just became packed full of congestion.
It is sometimes a hard decision to determine whether it's best to heal the leaky gut first, before cleaning out the liver, but from my experience as well as thousands of testimonials I have gone over, it takes a very, very long time to heal a leaky gut when the bile ducts are blocked.
Functional medicine practitioners are great, but I feel that they don't have a whole lot of experience in liver flushing. Most of them have a lot of experience in cleansing, but not flushing blockages from the liver.
They say that when you flush with a leaky gut, you are working against yourself because the toxicity released during the flush gets reabsorbed and can irritate the permeability.
However, from my experience, I have found that it does the very opposite. When you flush, you are opening up the body's elimination system to allow pent up waste material to exit properly, you are allowing more bile to be released to aid in digestion, you are relieving the body of inflammation caused by water and hormone retention behind the stones, you are allowing the colon to clean itself out after each flush etc.
The little bit of toxicity being recirculated doesn't really concern me, because the front of the liver is now open from the flush to let it out. By the time the next batch moves forward, the toxicity recirculated from the last flush will of already been released. Even if it all does not get eliminated, you got rid of far more toxicity than what was recirculated.
Andreas moritz feels it's a more effective way to healing leaky gut, because you are super charging the body's ability to heal itself when the liver is functioning optimally. The body has plenty of extra collagen fiber throughout it's arteries to be used to heal the actual hole, but it doesn't have the time or energy to do that when it's working 24 hours a day to mitigate the complications from poor bile output and blocked elimination channels (bile ducts).
The coffee enemas clean out the colon as well. They not only pull toxins out of the liver and blood, but get it out of the body by causing the colon to dump it's contents as well.- Re: Healing leaky gut via flushing a... earthlove
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In regards to your skin wrinkling more easily, that is one major symptom ive had for the past few months. Im only 22 and ever since falling into adrenal fatigue and liver problems, ive developed wrinkles and sagging skin on my face. My eyes and eyelids seem to droop and feel extremely tired and sore. I know its not that important in comparison to the other problems going on in my body, but Id like to find a way to work on this too! have you ever seen any improvement in your skin since then?
I sometimes wonder whether my leaky gut protocol has even helped, without simultaneously addressing the liver. Ever since I began eating a paleo autoimmune diet, I began getting liver pain and that’s also when I developed the fatigue stage of adrenal fatigue. I am starting to think that going on this diet helped to release any gut toxins---except that they were just released into my own body and not out of it, which is where my liver got overloaded, hence why I feel worse now.
Also, before going paleo, I didn’t have undigested food in my stools like I do now, and im wondering whether this is more of a problem with the liver/ bile flow than it is with stomach acid levels and a leaky gut. What is your take on this?
Lastly, in regards to enemas: if I have severe adrenal issues, do you think that enemas and flushes are safe to do? Ive read about people who had fatigue issues worsen after flushing.
Thanks so much for your help, much appreciated. Im pretty lost right now and the guidance is very helpful!
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Get colonics once a week. Do trade or put it on a credit card if you have to. Or get a second job if you have to.
Replace electrolytes after.
Put a crystal of Celtic Sea Salt on your tongue, let it dissolve and drink a glass of water after to remineralize. Repeat.
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This is a reply to # 2,246,554is it ok to do colonics before Liver Cleansing if i have a very backed up liver?
thanks for your suggestions:)- Re: Colonics Hidden Username
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Yes, colonics are a God send and a genius way to accelerate your gut healing.
I would suggest coffee enemas also. You can do several a day at first.
Liver flushing will set you on your path, I wouldn't put it off. Read Andreas' book and you will get a better idea of how it can help you.
Nobody gets better on Curezone unless they liver flush and do colonics (in general terms).
The people who refuse to spring for the pricey colonics are on here for years and years.
Why? Because everything you are doing is good, but it is like trying to build a new home on top of a toxic dump without cleaning it up first (sorry nothing personal, we are all in the same boat).
You are just scratching the surface You haven't seen results, you gotta get more serious. It still may take you two years to reclaim your health, so best to get started asap, IMHO.
I would mortgage my home if I had to, to pay for the colonics, why? Because I have now seen with my own eyes what comes out, and there is no amount of probiotic that can clean that filth, and to look at me, you might think I have perfect health and I am all clean, you wouldnt know what is lurking beneath in all of us.
I have a friend who did 2-3 colonics a week to detox from anti depressants for two years. It totally transformed her health, financial situation and life. She stopped liver flushing though because she had a bad detox experience with it (psych drugs are the worst) and her health started going down hill again, no amount of colonics will make up for liver flushing and vice versa.
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Here is what Dr Michael Tierra (herbal doctor/acu, ayurveda, western herbologist, etc. Author of some good books on self healing.) says about colonics:
Colonics are not for cold, deficient, weak individuals. The problems with water enemas is that they actually leave the colon drier. Injecting a quarter cup of sesame oil into the colon after an enema is balancing. [He is talking about both enemas and colonics.]
Interestingly, Traditional Chinese Medicine theory associates the large intestine with Kidney yang. It's as if one needs to retain some feces to stimulate and maintain lower warmer warmth. [Lower Warmer is a term used in Chinese Medicine. Western chronic conditions of adrenal fatigue, back pain, depression, hypothyroidism, kidney inflammation and sexual dysfunction parallel kidney yang .]
That being said, I have also seen and heard of some remarkable benefits from colonics. I think they are better done in warmer seasons.
So, there you have one opinion.
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Hi Daizymae,
Interesting about the sesame oil, I will give that some thought.
Yes, I've noticed herbalists have some opposing opinions sometimes on other modalities that may compete with their herb business but the problem I always come up against is I just can't take advice from another obese N.D. like Dr. Tierra (no offense to him, he seems like a nice guy).
All the colon hydrotherapists I've worked with have toned waistlines, glowing skin, big smiles on their faces, etc. They'll usually tell you their story of how colonics saved their lives and so they've dedicated their lives to helping others with it, it is a calling for sure, more than just a job.
I don't think colonics are perfect by any means, but they are a real help when you've been poisoned with heavy metals like I was. We just can't keep up with the pathogens that those metals allow to thrive, it's not a toxic exposure that the body was designed to handle, IMHO.
I wonder where all the talk in traditional Chinese medicine is regarding the overwhelming amount of pathogens our bodies are dealing with today, large and small, especially the modern engineered kind. I never see that referenced in their teachings, it seems like they have totally ignored it. Maybe I'm missing something:) I do enjoy my acupuncture though that's for sure.
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This is a reply to # 2,246,671But Michael Tierra is not against colonics; he put in a good word for them. He only said that they are not suitable for cold, "deficient" people - a syndrome that is diagnosed through classical Chinese medical methods. He also stated that they can be done if you do sesame Oil Enema s afterwards to mitigate any drying-out caused by all that washing-out. Win-win.
It is true that old Chinese literature obviously would not mention serious systemic poisoning & pathogens such as we see today. But, yes, from what I read, a few practitioners of socalled "traditional" Ch. medicine are indeed aware of this. Ultimately, they are going to have to recommend other methods besides their own. But just like Medical Doctors, they like to think they have all the answers and are too proud to admit there are other answers.
I went for acupuncture and asked about liver "cleansing". Just the broad term "cleanse" instead of flush. Well, this pleasant girl got a concerned look on her face and said no, don't do this. No No No. I left it at that.
We need integrated medicine, where the health of the patient, not the pride of the doctor, is the primary concern.
Speaking of "obese" practitioners, Dr Schulze sure was a tub of lard until fairly recently. He blamed his family background and I think that is legitimate. Honestly, I don't know of one "natural" doctor who hasn't had serious issues.- Re: Colonics Hidden Username
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"Physician heal thyself!" :)
Carey Reams was a genius and he was obese too. Maybe their own health problems are why they get into medicine, you could be right DaizyMae.
Happy Easter everybody,
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This is a reply to # 2,246,671Would you be able to suggest a good way to find a decent colonic place? i live right outside of philadelphia too so im sure there are lots of people around this area who can help.
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This is a reply to # 2,246,619in regards to this statement:
-----[Lower Warmer is a term used in Chinese Medicine. Western chronic conditions of adrenal fatigue, back pain, depression, hypothyroidism, kidney inflammation and sexual dysfunction parallel kidney yang]---------
I just said out loud "that is ME". i told my chinese medicine doctor that i think the problem is with my kidney meridian and she wasnt convinced. rather, she thinks my liver is the culprit. im wondering if its possible to have more than one meridian be out of wack.
i also havent menstruated in a year and know that the kidney meridian is responsible for amenorrhea.
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How can any Chinese Dr. say that it's just Liver, not Kidney? From my experience (personal), K + L almost always go together in countless people's health problems. Maybe what the Dr. meant was that Liver was more prominent. Not that I have any great understanding in any case.
What you should actually DO, however, is not for me to say. Maybe you could go to a site called yinyanghouse and ask their advice. That is my recommendation. :)
If you have not menstruated in a year, that is serious deficiency. Toxicity + Deficiency go together; it's not either/or anymore, which it might have been in the olden days when people had stronger constitutions in general and they could home in onto problems more easily. It's all syndromes now.
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In regards to the menstruation, it worries me greatly. i know that adrenal and thyroid problems (both of which i have) can cause either infrequent or heavy menses, but i have yet to read about anyone completely stopping for so long.
when you mention "deficiency", is that deficiency in the chinese medicine sense?
and "toxicity"---could this be toxicity of the entire body or more related to the liver?
i hate to resort to taking hormones, but im so hopeless at this point and really need to get my period before it becomes dangerous to my body, so i think im going to go on progesterone under supervision of a nat doctor.
i simply do not think that acupuncture can bring on a period that has not lasted for so long.
do you have any thoughts on this?
thanks for your support:)
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This is a reply to # 2,246,901I am sorry, but I myself am not a Dr. of any kind and when it comes to serious issues, I can only speak in a general way.
When I refer to "deficiency", I mean actual insufficient intake or digestion of important nutrients, esp. minerals.
What is your diet like? If it is good by all accounts, it still could be that your digestion is not. Chinese medicine can help with that.
Some people say that progesterone supplementation is a good thing and others believe that we should encourage our body to produce its own. Where serious illness goes, I've no opinion as to which way you should go, but wish you the best in any case.
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This is a reply to # 2,246,606thank you for your help!
would you suggest colonics before liver flushing?
im going to start with enemas next week and will see how that goes.
im mostly worried about flushing without having strong adrenals and the effects that that can have on me if im already in a chronically exhausted state.- Re: Colonics daizymae
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This is a reply to # 2,246,687If you are going to do enemas, then I hope you will follow them up with sesame Oil Enema s while you are at it.
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This is a reply to # 2,246,081Yes if meat were the answer, America would be an extremely healthy nation. But being vegan didn't cure me either, so there you go:)
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