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I've done nine Liver Flushes so far, three or four bowel cleanses, total dental revision, parasite cleanse, and added all kinds of supplements, vitamins, superfoods, extra water, magnesium, exercise and I juice and eat whole foods and oils.
A few months ago I went in for blood tests and a checkup just to make sure I'm fine and see if there was any physical reason for Depression which seems to come and go but mostly hang around in the background. Was it hormone imbalance, thyroid issues, adrenal problems or what?
I'm in perfect health, he says, perfect hormone levels, cholesterol etc. So I asked him why do I still have this depression? I don't want to "fix" the Depression - I wanted to find out what was causing it and fix that! He gave me the usual crap about brain chemistry and gave me a prescription for Welbutrin because I took it for four years and it really worked well for me. Great. Of course I didn't fill it.
But yesterday I felt so bad I actually called the pharmacy and had them fill it. I didn't pick it up though - luckily with the hurricane they are only open for a couple of hours a day.
I'm so discouraged! All this cleansing and revamping my diet; I spend most of the day reading curezone, I feel like I've tried everything and here it still is. I have three theories:
1. Maybe it's a delayed stress reaction from the hurricanes. I don't think so but... It was stressful but I survived and didn't lose anything major. I have some family staying with me which is causing some stress, but if I wasn't so depressed I probably wouldn't mind them so much.
2. Possibly related to my last Liver Flush two weeks ago which wasn't very productive and I seem to feel worse ever since. I'm going to do another one Thursday and see if that helps. It's just awfully discouraging because wouldn't you think after nine flushes it would clear up? It's not like I have to hide the razorblades, I just don't feel like getting out of bed.
3. Hate to say it but maybe I should just take the meds long enough to find my bootstraps to pull myself out of this? I miss feeling enthusiastic and basically having a life outside of my bed! Spending days laying around in tears is probably worse than taking a pharmaceutical for a short time and having a fun healthy life, right?
So, I feel like a drunk with the mantra of One Day At A Time. If I can just make it through one more day without taking the Wellbutrin! I'm trying to hang on till Thursday when I'm doing flush #10. If that doesn't work I just don't know. I've spent over a year cleansing and spent thousands of dollars and don't feel one bit better for it today. I REALLY hate to post this, because I would hate to discourage anybody but I'm really down right now and hope somebody can see something here I'm missing.
Any opinions are welcome!
And no, Roky, I don't have any mercury fillings anymore :)
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This is a reply to # 21,981Hi
I am depressed bu I know it is because I am so ill that I am sad.
I have stomach problems, sinus problems anc chronic tiredness.
However I have improved from my anxiety attakcs, etc taking vitamin B Complex.
ALso calcium/magnesium/zinc.
One more thing: mild exercise also helps.
are you doing that? are you taking vitamins?
I hope this help
Love
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This is a reply to # 21,981Dear Happydog,
I suffer from severe Depression and anxiety. I have been on several antidepressants for the last 5 years without relief. About two weeks ago my sister-in-law told me I should have my thyroid checked. Not by the usual blood test methods because they are NOT reliable. I did it by the basal body temperature. My doctor (an M.D. who practices alternative medicine) uses this method: Take your temperature every day for six days three times a day, at 9:00, 12:00 and 3:00. Take the average for each day. My temp never got anywhere near 98!!! It was always around 97.2 and on the day I saw the doctor it was 96.7. He said that indicates a thyroid not working correctly. He put me on Armour thyroid (a natural dessicated pig thyroid) last Friday. As of today, four days later, my temp is around 98. So it is correcting my body temp. I'm hoping the antidepressants will kick in now. Apparently meds don't work well if your thyroid is out of whack. I hate taking the meds, too, but my Depression is situational, and until I'm out of my situation it's hard to see the light at the end of the tunnel. I don't know if this will help you, but it's just a thought. God bless you. I cry every day as well, and I don't think there's anything as horrible as depression.
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This is a reply to # 21,984THis is a great tip.
I alwayas, always have low body temperature.
My thyroid test was normal and I coudl not believe it.
I will check this, and if my body temperature keeps very low I will try the suplement you indicated.
thanks
ZUle
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MoreThis is a reply to # 21,985Is it a prescription medication?
SO I cannot buy it by miself?
O.K.let me know if you know of alternatives.
Thanks
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This is a reply to # 21,986I'm not sure of alternatives. There is one website that has tons of info on this subject -- I believe it's www.maryshomon.com. If that is wrong, just type Mary Shomon's name into Google. You will get tons of info from her. She's been through the wringer with her thyroid. Keep me posted.
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MoreThis is a reply to # 21,985Armour thyroid unfortunately is not a supplement you can buy over the counter. You need an RX, but if you have a decent doctor, if you can find a doctor who will listen to what you have to say, they can write you a script for it. I sure this is a helpful piece of advice for everyone. I was shocked it was my thyroid because all the bloodwork came back fine. Check out thyroid info on the net. The bloodwork is notorious for not being reliable. Best of luck to you. Please post and let me know how it works out.
Lori M.
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This is a reply to # 21,981Too much of a good thing can cause all sorts of problems. Have your doctor test you for common diseases such as hepb, hepc and check your epstein barr levels (EBV) These three viral infections can become chronic causing your emotions and not even know it. Chemical imbalances dont just "happen". There is always something physical that cause chemical imbalances, but there are so many viral/bacterial infections unknown to man.
I was diagnosed with hepatitis c (and you can have a normal CBC counts with differentials) with active hepatitis c. Abnormal findings can indicate infection (whether it is very low or high). HCV (or any other virus)can pass the blood brain barrier and not only that but toxins your liver are unable to filter....Ask him specifically to be tested for HCV and if he asks you if you fall into the "high risk group" tell him there are plenty of other ways to catch hepatitis c. Dental exposure, minor surgeries, using someone else toothbruch/razor, blood transfusions and even being a kid involved in mass innoculation (such as veterans). Demand he test you!
You aren't the first person to fall victim of all the expensive herbal "cure alls" for "curing everything".
A liver cleanse and other remedies are fine if only done every few months if not less. They are not meant to use faithfully....we might as well not eat if that is the case...just food alone causes toxins and most of us are normal and have normal bowels and times to visit the loo....(bathroom).
If you continue to "wash and cleanse" with substances and overloading on vitamins and herbs, you definately can cause more problems in the long run. You can "cleanse" out good bacteria and other systemic values of the naturally occuring kinds, then your body has to fight to get it back, thus causing unnessacary stress. You also have to think that if your taking all of this, your body will only get out of it, it wishes, the rest is, you guessed it...down the toilet. I wish you luck and cut back...take a multivitamin, eat well and ask your doc about viral infections and bacterial infections.... get tested...there are over 5 million persons in the United States Alone that have HCV (or other viruses) that dont even know they have it! First symptom for most is Depression or other mental disease. I would like to stress to those who may take me wrong that some herbs are fine to take, just dont overload! :o)
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This is a reply to # 21,981It is great that you are so proactive in your healing and sorry to hear that you are having a rough time.
The one thing that most doctors do not test for is AMINO levels in the blood. there is a very specific lab test which reveals these levels, but it is usually only end nutritionists who offer such services.
I strongly recommend checking out a book called 'the way up from down' also available online FREE at "http://www.thewayup.com/ " This book changed my life! :)
I have tried everything, including wellbutrin (which helped) and was on Zoloft for a year. That stuff works but it is doing the exact same thing that can be accomplished through amino therapy.
The book discusses The Amine Therapy of depression, which I wholeheartedly embrace after years of researching depression.
There have been many studies of depressed folk related to certain aminos, a few of which are profound.. as they relate it directly to 'L-Tryptophan' and 'L-Tyrosine'. One study I researched was of 500 depressed people and ALL 500 had low levels of both these aminos.
Proteins and their metabolized elements, amino acids are what our brains use to MAKE our neurochemicals serotonin and dopamine.
serotonin is the main chemical altered by many anti-depressants and dopamine is the chemical altered specifically by wellbutrin.
Anyway, you can build up these neurochemicals naturally by a process called 'pre-cursor uploading'. You take supplements which results in the brain having an abundance of 'fuel' which it uses to make your happiness juice.
It works! I take 2000 mg of L-Tryptophan at night (which helps sleep too) and 1500 mg's of L-Tyrosine twice a day, in between meals.
Please check out the book!
Also, I have found that the main factor in my own Depression is *cardio exercise*. I run 15 minutes per day and if I start to slack even a little, my state of well being and energy levels are drastically affected.
It seems that there is truth in the theory that many of our hearts are 'atrophied'.. too weak to properly metabolize the proteins-aminos in our diets and pump it throughout our body. We are simply nowhere near as active as our hunter-gatherer ancestors who created these bodies of ours..
My opinion is that if you don't have regular cardio exercise as a part of your life, NOTHING will help. You are wasting your money.
I pray this aids you in your quest to feel better,
Brian
ps- "alkalnity" is also crucial. the body needs to be slightly alklaline and when you fall below a pH of 7.4 or so, mood, energy levels and general happiness tend to plummet as well. Coral calcium works great as does any and all forms of oxygenation. You can monitor this with simple litmus paper. This is HUGE! All of the stones you are passing as well as arterial plaque and a variety of other nasties are acidic clumps of nastiness..- Re: Excellent advice about ways to ... Owen 20 y 2,575
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This is a reply to # 21,996I've heard of different varieties of amino supplementation but I thought amino needs could be supplied just by eating an egg or two every day. No? Can you buy tryptophan now?
I'm going to get the book today. Thanks so much for your thoughtful response. I keep reading (AND READING) about the exercise thing and I do agree with it but gosh it's hard to do it! I rebound for a couple minutes and sometimes get on the treadmill but it's so BORING!! I need to get into a regular schedule of doing it every day. That's the hard part! The spirit's willing but the flesh wants to lay around and read curezone. I guess that's the depression; I WANT to do this or that -I just can't get past the "initial inertia." If I wasn't depressed I would have a fantastic disciplined life, ha!
Anyway thanks so much for the suggestions, I think they'll help a lot!!
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This is a reply to # 22,004no problem. :)
unfortunately an egg or two a day simply doesn't cut it. we simply don't get enough of these crucial amonios in our normal diets. Not to say you shouldn't research and focus on diet as much as possible, but the reality is that many of us who suffer from Depression have an imbaalance to these aminos in our brains and/or a deficiency in our bodies mechanism to break down and metabolize proteins. anyway, off to work now, but just wanted to give you the link to the tryptophan I use: http://www.antiaging-systems.com/a2z/ltryptophan.htm
this place is great!
Also, you will encounter people advertising 5HTP instead of tryptophan.. The reason tryptophan is no longer available in the states is complicated and often misunderstood.. but the most important factor to me is simply the fact that 5-HTP is not nearly as effective as pure (pharmaceutical grade) l-tryptophan. L-tryptophan is the *direct* pre-cursor to serotonin while 5-HTP is further down on the chain.. Not like that matters all that much but it simply does not work as well..
Yeah, exercise is difficult for all of us but JUST DO IT! 15 minutes a day, man. Come on, you can do it! If you don't like treadmills (many of which have tv's attached now ya know) get outside into nature and briskly walk up a hill or something. if you are going to walk only though, it must be fast!the key is to get the heart rate nice and high for an extended period of time. this is crucial!
It will change your life! :)
Kind Regards,
Brian
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This is a reply to # 21,996I looked at the tryptophan - it's $30 for 50 (plus shipping) and you take 4 a day so that means you're using about 3 bottles a month? I'm not very good at math, so I wanted to make sure I understood you right. It looks like the tryptophan alone will cost me around $100 a month. Is that right or did I misunderstand?- Re: Brian, ok one more question brt_sound_design
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This is a reply to # 22,014well, it is a bit expensive (and it is the best I have found) but you are a little off. :)
firstly, the math: there are 50 per bottle.
30 days x 4 = 120. so that is a little less than 2 1/2 bottles per month.
BUT (!!!) you may not need 4 per day. Do you weigh 200 pounds like me? They recommend 500 mg per each 50 pds of weight.
Also, you may decide that a smaller dose is effective for you. Even if you are more than 200 pounds, a smaller dose than 4 per day may work just fine.
I strongly recommend reading as much as possible about it and feeling out the range of doseage recommendations.
A good rule of thumb, though, is 2 per night (and remember, on an empty stomach one hour before bed) as a starter and go from there.
Some people also do not take it every day. Every other day may prove to be effective. Since it is expensive, the best road is to find the minimum doseage that works for you and stick with that.
One more thing I should inform you of, in hopes that it does not turn you off: It tends to make some a teensy bit "groggy" the next morning (but goes away pretty quickly). What I usually do is have a nice warm cup of green tea(or yerba mate) with breakfast which melts the grogginess away.
Anyway, you definitely want to make sure you get 8 hours of sleep. If you woke up after 6 or something, the grogginess would be worse.
Also, as I mentioned before, there are a great deal of nutritionists, doctors and such, who would recommend 5-HTP which is very similar.. This may also prove to be effective. I'm not sure how much cheaper it is though..
I don't personally recommend it because it has not been nearly as effective for me. But as far as the breakdown and metabolism of protein into happiness juice for your brain, 5HTP is part of the chain. I think it is one step earlier than l-tryptophan actually.. (one step further away from serotonin)
But L-Tryptophan is literally ONE STEP before serotonin. It is the direct 'fuel' that your body/brain uses to make serotonin.
And again, if you have an atrophied heart, the entire metabolism process does not work as well. I know it is hard, but I strongly recommend walking briskly/jogging 15 minutes per day (at least).
Anyway, please let us know how it goes! It may take a while for you to feel the effects, but they will come. The handful of depressed friends who I have advised (who have actually followed the advice correctly and completely) have had positive effects.
I was personally on Zoloft for a year during one stretch, and I must admit that it worked.. but the side effects were hOrrIbLe, AND ALL OF THE POSITIVE EFFECTS WERE *EXACTLY* THE SAME AS AMINO THERAPY!!!!
:)
Wishing you the best,
Brian
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This is a reply to # 22,015The actual synthesis pathway for serotonin(5-HT) is:
Tryptophan goes to 5-Hydroxytryptophan (5-HTP) goes to Serotonin (5-HT).
There is no difference in effect between either. I also read that taking to much of either can mess up your nerves in your hands and feet IRREVERSABLY! So ask your MD about the dose you're taking.
Take care,
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This is a reply to # 22,071thanks for this correction. I think my confusion was after reading that L-Tryptophan is regarded by some to be more effectively absorbed as a supplement than 5HTP as it is the natural amino within our food supply. I have definitely encountered the opinion that boosting the blood's supply of L-Tryptophan is a more effective method of boosting serotonin than boosting the blood with 5HTP.
I am not sure why L-Tryptophan on an empty stomach before bed has been so much more effective for a handful of depressed friends than 5HTP throughout the day.
My guess is that 5HTP is simply not absorbed as well for some people.
Apologies to all who read this post and have integrated my mistake as knowledge..
The point I was making is that in my experience and many friends who I have advised, L-Tryptophan works BETTER.
Thanks again!
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This is a reply to # 22,014Hi.
:)
Hey, there is one thing that I did not put enough stress on me thinks.
B- COMPLEX!!!
you need to have B-Complex in your diet or the aminos will not get broken down, metabolized and absorbed properly. It is a "co-enzyme" which is absolutely essential. very very very very important.
and my favorite kind of vitamin supplements are those "Isotonix" I gave a link to many moons ago:
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>http://healthnutrition.isotonix.com/products.cfm
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>take the multi-tech every morning and the b-12/complex with every >meal.
hope this helps,
brian
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This is a reply to # 22,021What is the Multi tech supplement called these days? I looked for it online to no avail. Thanks for your help!
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This is a reply to # 21,996Hi Brian et al
Some points I ask for clarification:
1. how long have you used this regime successfully and how do you rate the % recovery?
2. i am just reading about tyrosine lately and want to give it a try and will purchase some from my local healthe food store and try your levels - I have over the last several years tried rounds of just the L-tryptophan and 5 HtP but definitely gave them up because they cause, like the usual doctor antidepressents, severe constipation - at least in this body. the grogginess may be another reason. Does the tyrosine also cause constipation? Also any way around this problem?
3. is liquid aerobic oxygen a good supplement to alkalize the body? (ionized NaCl)
4. do you think the tyrosine can work without the tryptophan?
5. how long does it take for these supplements to start kicking in and how long before they optimize and have they not worked as well after a while like so many supps.
Thank you for your valuable info - I certainly agree with the aerobic exercise and have many times dragged my fibromyalgic body over to the gym feeling like a crumb, by thinking not how i feel now but how i will feel after.
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Hi Brian et al
Some points I ask for clarification:
1. how long have you used this regime successfully and how do you rate the % recovery?
2. i am just reading about tyrosine lately and want to give it a try and will purchase some from my local healthe food store and try your levels - I have over the last several years tried rounds of just the L-tryptophan and 5 HtP but definitely gave them up because they cause, like the usual doctor antidepressents, severe constipation - at least in this body. the grogginess may be another reason. Does the tyrosine also cause constipation? Also any way around this problem?
3. is liquid aerobic oxygen a good supplement to alkalize the body? (ionized NaCl)
4. do you think the tyrosine can work without the tryptophan?
5. how long does it take for these supplements to start kicking in and how long before they optimize and have they not worked as well after a while like so many supps.
Thank you for your valuable info - I certainly agree with the aerobic exercise and have many times dragged my fibromyalgic body over to the gym feeling like a crumb, by thinking not how i feel now but how i will feel after.
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This is a reply to # 21,981Thanks to everybody for the responses. It helps a lot to hear from other people who have gone through the same thing. I'm a bit tired of hearing that I don't have anything to be depressed about and I should "snap out of it already" and "count your blessings." If you haven't experienced Depression yourself it's really hard to understand.
I see that a large part of this has to be lack of exercise. Much as I've resisted the whole idea I'm going to have to consciously look for ways to build in more activity into my day. Plus a small amount of actual EXERCISE. I used to say half jokingly that I didn't want to do anything that might cause me to break a nail or break a sweat. Guess that's not working so well for me any more.
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This is a reply to # 22,007Merely ingesting one poisonous substance is enough to cause depression. The tap water here is quite toxic to me and if I did everything right but still drank the tap water I would be depressed. Avoid all chemical additives. Taking some anti-depressant meds may reduce your stress and while not a cure may be a good idea.
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Merely ingesting one poisonous substance is enough to cause depression. The tap water here is quite toxic to me and if I did everything right but still drank the tap water I would be depressed. Avoid all chemical additives. Taking some anti-depressant meds may reduce your stress and while not a cure may be a good idea. - WALK 15 minutes or more daily.....EN... transformationalhealth
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This is a reply to # 22,007I too have problems with depression, as well as fatigue. I find that taking a simple, easy 15 minute or longer walk is effective and uplifting. Even when I do NOT have the energy or I am NOT in the mood I go someplace that I ENJOY and I walk.
I look at the: trees, lake, people, dogs, plants, sky, etc. I rarely break a sweat ( I have problems that prevent me from sweating ) but I do find I ENJOY WALKING. It DOES take effort, but who is gonna suffer if I do not do it ??? ME ! and who is gonna enjoy it if I DO do it ? ME ! So I try to make it more and more a part of my DAILY life. Start NOW . NO more complex thinking is required . .NO more STUDY or pondering is needed.......... NO special shoes or clothes. You can walk in anyting..... IT is natural.People have been doing it for THOUSANDS of years now.
Just find a lovely place and go and see what is happening and do it at a time of day that is PLEASANT and inviting to YOU ! I go to the Botanical garden, the hike and bike trails, I stoll in various neighborhoods, I walk in my old familar boring neighborhood.
I walk and I enjoy. IF one is depressed CHANGING one's state is highly effective in changing one's state. IN other words, the physical act of movement can change the mental state of depression. I know ........ it happens for me on a daily basis.
Best wishes , and I hope you
" go take a stroll. " ; )
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