What I have read about b. subtilis specifically is that its spores are extremely resilient, and extremely difficult to get rid of, even in vitro, and I get the impression from the studies I've read that if they become overpopulated and start to lack resources to survive they can find means of entering the bloodstream and become pathogenic. It seems this would be likely to happen in taking them in the unnaturally massive doses contained in probiotic supplements. Also this strain is supposedly known to kill off other types of probiotics. Also the kind of b. subtilis spores used in probiotics has a special type of casing on it (I forget what they said it was made out of) that gives it extra protection. I really don't want to get into a debate or have to go back and find links to the studies I've read. At this point I've exhausted all other possibilities, I just need to know if anyone knows specifically how to destroy and/or remove b. subtilis & its spores in vivo. I know a lot of people will debate my self-diagnosis, as I have read through other arguments over b. subtilis, including in forums on this website. I really just want to know how to get rid of it.

I'm not and wasn't taking anything else. If you're referring to the anti parasite treatments, I didn't start those until the fourth straight week of diarrhea. Also when I said "b. subtilis and others" I meant other types of bacteria in that same probiotic. From my research I've found that b. subtilis has both a powerful anti-parasitic and an Antibiotic effect. It was even originally discovered as a cure for dysentery. Given that information, I started thinking, this was unlikely to be a parasite. So after 3 weeks of parasite treatments with no improvements, I stopped all of them. I figured the most likely scenario was that the b. subtilis (with its Antibiotic properties) had killed off most of the normal healthy flora in my gut, so I started taking a potent probiotic with NO "soil-based organisms." After 4 days of taking it, I had my first semi-solid stool after a month and a half of watery diarrhea. Each day since it has gotten more and more solid. Important side-note, I was in perfect health before all of this and had perfectly healthy, regular solid poops. I am obsessive about perfect health and proper nutrition and have been for years. I hadn't changed anything about that, there's no chance it was a parasite, and a virus would not give you over a month of diarrhea. The only factor that changed was that I started taking the b. subtilis probiotic. Yes, I should have left well enough alone, but Kimberly Snyder made the benefits of her product sound so magical. I suppose I learned a valuable lesson, but at the price of becoming dangerously anemic and losing all my strength, energy, and fitness, it scarcely seems worth it.

Here's a pretty straightforward article about it.http://candidaplan.com/blog/627/candida-diets-part-iii-bacillus-subtilis/
There's another forum about it on this site somewhere that I read. I also read another study that talks about the resiliency of the spore form of the b. subtilis that is used in probiotics and how it can be potentially dangerous. I think it's a matter that people should definitely take into consideration, considering there's so much we still don't fully understand about it. I definitely am not one to believe the FDA has the final word in safety.

Most probiotics you buy have a mixture of single species bacteria that were raised in a monoculture, so the first thing they do when they get activated is they fight and compete with one another, reducing their efficiency. Since the effective microorganisms are raised in a consortium, they act as a group against the flora in your gut, converting them from app bad behaving bacteria into beneficial behaving.

Danny,
Please read the article "Papers that have changed the practice of occupational medicine" (do a search on the web because my post won't go through with the web link) The article is in Occ (upational) Med; Vol 52 No. 1 pp. 56-63, 2002: **Printed in Great Britain***

D. J Hendrick; Department of Respiratory Medicine, Royal Victoria Infirmary.. UK

Flindt MLH: "Pulmonary disease due to inhalation of derivatives of Bacillus subtilis containing proteolytic enzyme" (1969)

Pepys J. Longbottom JL, Hargreave FE, Faux J. : "Allergic reactions of the lungs to enzymes of Bacillus subtilis" (1969)

From what I understand, the article concerning the dangers of B subtilis & "Papers that have changed the practice of occupational medicine" are also found at the Mayo Clinic medical libraries, unless they have been pulled. I do know there were there in 2003.

There is also an EPA "Bacillus subtilis Final Risk Assessment" (1997) (again, do a web search for the above title because this post won't go through with it)

**This assessment only SLIGHTLY 'touches' on what is found in "Papers that have changed the practice of occupational medicine"