That's what I'm worried about.

I agree with Anthony87; cleanses can dump a lot of toxins and toxin waste into your system and overload the liver suddenly as it tries to filter it all out. The liver is already overloaded trying to deal with the toxins of candida waste product. I also agree with Anthony that for many candida sufferers the number 1 thing is diet,or rather, what one eats plays the biggest role of all. It's a whole eating lifestyle, not just a temporary fix. Folks forget that candida is a naturally occurring yeast in the gut; it's a product of the breakdown of food and the elimination process. You keep it in control by building a healthy immune system and don't feed it extra gunk that allows it to grow to huge proportions.

BINGO! You called it! On both points.

The Clark Liver Flush was my key to breaking the cycle.

I left this site in 2002, but you can still find my old posts as "fectoid".

I suffered from a severe die-off reaction in 1994 and was SICK! I did the diets and had to cut out fats. Why? Because I couldn't digest them. I did the diets and tried other things on and off over the years but mostly stayed with a rigid diet. The diet allowed me to survive, but not thrive.

The reason diets didn't work for me, was because the toxins from the die-off overloaded my liver. That led to cholestasis. Cholestasis prevents the liver from cleaning the blood stream, because bile is the waste product that the liver produces, and if the liver can't move bile, or it backs up, the liver can't detoxify the blood. if the liver can't detoxify the blood, good health can't be restored. Bile is not only necessary to digest fats and absorb essential fatty acids, but it also has anti-microbial properties to keep unwanted organisms like candida from populating the small intestine. Probiotics, or "healthy" bacteria, on the contrary, have a natural resistance to bile. I'm not making this stuff up, it's all in the medical literature and I have cited references in previous posts.

So die-off for me led to cholestasis and cholestasis allowed gram positive harmful microbes to re-populate my digestive tract. Any further attempts to kill these bacteria only led to more sickness. The only way that I was able to break the cycle was to "jump start" my liver with The Clark Flush . The liver is a pretty amazing organ in that fatty liver disease which is caused by overloading the liver with toxins, is a reversible condition, as long as cirrhosis hasn't set in. By combining, in my case, the natural antifungal Tanalbit with a series of liver flushes, I was able to restore bile flow and restore my health to an incredible level. I think of The Clark Flush as the equivalent of a "defibrillator" for the liver. If bile flow is not restored, the vicious cycle cannot be broken.

I'm back on curezone to share my success story 10 years later. Search my posts if you want to read more.

Wow Michael this explanation is right on! When the candida goes fungal is the candida that most ppl on this forum are suffering with. In which the whole body is inhabited with these fungal colonies. Every time I have had an elimination of some colonies I felt massive die off symptoms...and then relief right afterwards...only for some symptoms to appear days after...but less and less each time....till where I am today....with just a few colonies embedded deeply in my intestines...where it takes so much adrenal power to get rid of them. I haven't felt this good in like 4 years in regards to candida symptoms...but I am so warn out due to all of this die off that has been occuring too quickly. I guess the body will recover once it has a rest from all the die off....once all of the colonies are gone. I attribute my initial overgrowth cause to heavy metals. I chelated after a year...and only then did the candida start to leave in bunches. Before then every type of strict diet would make me worse and worse.

I think that some ppl here may not even be struggling with the fungal leaky gut candida that many of us have been struggling with. And that is why there are so many differences in opinions....like with Anthony and his "fatty liver" obsession. Once the candida has gone fungal and you develop leaky gut....it doesn't matter if you eat fats or not...it will take soo much to heal the gut and get rid of the colonies. All of this will take a lot of adrenal reserve to accomplish...but more importantly one has to figure out the initial cause of such an overgrowth.

The reason one gets fungal systemic leaky gut candida is because the body is seriously weakened in the first place. And as the person tries to eradicate the candida with strict diets and massive doses of antifungals....the body only gets weaker and weaker. By the time one figures out the cause (heavy metals in my case)...the body is already in such a weak state to chelate or heal....as you heal the body reverts to healing that breaks down the body in the process...using every bit of energy it can...while driving you crazy. And once you are ready to get rid of the colonies....your body is already sooo weak and damaged every successive die off gives you panic attacks...racing thoughts...severe anxiety...insomnia etc. This is all what I have been going through the last 6 months. All b/c instead of chelating right away...I first resorted to 6 months of crazy strict diet and massive doses of antifungals.

Thankfully I only have a very small proportion of the colonies left in me that have been causing my symptoms. My right eye has stopped twitching for the first time in over 3 years yesterday. But at the same time the last couple of days I have had the most intense nightmares and no energy at all...with so much panic type anxiety. Every time I have these horrible die off sessions nowadays....right afterwards I feel a symptom DISAPPEAR that I have had for YEARS. So yes I attribute this to a very weak body that has developed b/c I was battling this thing without figuring out the cause.

The direct symptoms that most people on this forum with FUNGAL candida feel are due to the toxins that the candida colonies are emitting. And the die off seems endless b/c the underlying cause has not been figured out. So that is why it feels like such a hopeless situation...just maintaining the candida with diet...feeling die off every time...only for the symptoms to all come back...even worse than before. But once a person has gotten the root cause eliminated....the die off is no longer endless.....you feel more symptoms leave after each session...but since the body is already so broken down and little adrenal reserve is left....each session TAKES SO MUCH OUT OF YOU.

Ppl on this forum shouldn't be so hopeless. Maybe I was so lucky that I didn't have too much metals in me...and one year of chelation was enough. Even though I was doing some serious chelation....taking every measure...IV DMPS...cutler's protocol with dmsa/ala...cilantro/chlorella....IMD...Algin....infrared sauna....coffee enemas.

It's not as simple as "diet" or "fatty liver". When the candida has gone FUNGAL and has given a person LEAKY GUT....there need to be soo many measures taken to get the candida colonies OUT of your system...so that these toxins are no longer in your bloodstream.

Anthony you are in the wrong forum. You keep advocating that it's as simple as not eating fats and eating more carbs...well if that has truly helped you then you never had FUNGAL leaky gut candida....and you are only giving people with FUNGAL candida false hope. You and the ppl who you have "helped" should go to another forum. Coconut oil was a lifesaver for me.

Sooooooooooo right!!!!!!!!

How long did it take you to chelate, and how did you chelate? Did you also support your adrenals while doing so, and how?

I'd like to know, since I had to stop chelating since I may have pushed it too far, and am now trying to support my adrenals. I'd like to get rid of the metals and thus, the candida as well.

Michael is so right

Congratulations on the quarter of a degree increase in body temp. That's HUGE.

There was a time when it wasn't uncommon to track around the 95.8-97.0 range. After months of trying to support AF/HT with supplements and lots of sleep/rest, today my basal was at 98.3 which is an improvement of a full degree over a week ago. Not sure if it's from warmer weather since I tend to sleep early morn to mid-afternoon but, I'll take the improvement. It's hard to describe just how lousy I feel when my body temp falls below 97.5 degrees to someone who hasn't experienced it first hand: just awful.

Got weird reactions using Iodine supplementation without selenium/magnesium increases. Since using the selenium and increasing magnesium the horrible "body jerk" like reactions haven't materialized again. Though, I'm only at about 500mcgs of iodine/daily figure working up slowly is probably better for my weakened system.

Once again, congratulations upon your success. Keep it up!