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anfisa
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Hi,
I have been reading this forum for some time already and have some questions for the regular posters, including Chris b:
Is Water Fasting indicated, and if it is so, how effective it can be for the following health conditions:
1.Peripheral Arterial Disease?
2. Congestive Heart Failure (in its beginning)?
3. Slow digestion and other digestive problems?
4. Toxic Hunger?
Please, answer to the best of your ability. I need this information.
Thanks,
Anfisa
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- Re: Questions chrisb1
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MoreThis is a reply to # 1,960,995Hello Anfisa,
In answer to your questions: if Water Fasting is indicated, and how effective it can be for the following health conditions:
1.Peripheral Arterial Disease?
Absolutely. Autolysis during ketosis will weed out and selectively consume/expel any and all toxins within the body, including arterial plaque.
http://www.soilandhealth.org/02/0201hyglibcat/020127shelton.III/020127.ch5.htm
2. Congestive Heart Failure (in its beginning)?
Yes. Fasting strengthens and cleans the heart muscle like nothing else will.
Scroll down to the subheading of "THE HEART"
http://www.soilandhealth.org/02/0201hyglibcat/020127shelton.III/020127.ch7.htm
3. Slow digestion and other digestive problems?
Fasting affords an absolute rest to the digestive process and improves digestion as nothing else will.
Again, scroll down to the subheading of "THE STOMACH"
http://www.soilandhealth.org/02/0201hyglibcat/020127shelton.III/020127.ch7.htm
4. Toxic Hunger?
This is false hunger which mimics hypoglycemia. The symptoms are not pleasant while fasting, but will rid your body of this.
Dr Fuhrman MD recommends a high nutrient/low calorie diet (Nutritarian) to overcome toxic hunger, but fasting will do the job much more quickly in the expulsion of toxins.........
http://www.diet-blog.com/08/overcoming_toxic_hunger_a_major_cause_of_obesity.php
Chrisb1.
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- Re: Questions anfisa
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This is a reply to # 1,961,022Thank you, Chris. I really needed those answers. You always document your belief in WF so people can trust the process and/or embark for the first time on it, as myself.
I sadly forgot to add points 5. and 6. to my questions list.
5. Osteoarthritis?
6. Metabolic Syndrome (resistance to insulin, fatty liver, etc.)?
I say that any of the first 4 concerns alone, would justify a water fast. They have a seriousness of their own.
And one fast alone would not be enough to solve them all.
I am afflicted with these 6 things.
I am also morbidly obese (understandably). I did not mention obesity above because I know that fasting for that reason alone may not be the most intelligent action. However, losing weigh is vital to regain health and the pounds lost that way would mean a nice healthy push in the right direction. I am ready to enjoy that.
I now have to overcome 2 little problems to be able to fast:
1. I am afraid of fasting. I am not afraid of the physical discomfort produced by fasting (I already have enough physical limitations and pains without fasting). But I am afraid of the psychological pain that I would need to face while doing it, since hiding myself behind food, burying my problems, frustrations, life regrets, etc. in it, would not be possible any more. I do realize that life for me can only bring me more disappointments in all senses if I do not face my present situation; hence, added miseries. I need to ready myself to cry rivers while fasting, cause I know that at the end, I will feel better and in my road to recovery.
2. My inability to prepare myself physically for fasting. THIS IS THE MAIN IMPEDIMENT RIGHT NOW. I have tried to prepare my body for fasting by eating healthy, but since I am so desperate due to the very same health problems I need to overcome, I always end up eating too much of the wrong things, even when I am not hungry, just to quiet myself, to get comfort away from them.
It is a lot easier (for me) to just stop eating, than start a sensible fruits/vegetables diet. I feel, when I try to do that, all the bad symptoms of a healing crisis, and added sadness, but with too slow results to be noticed.
I understand that, eventually, after fasting, my habits will need to be changed. Changing these while feeling so sick is a very difficult task. A fast will start my healing faster, and that would help me tremendously to keep the right habits, I think.
I have tried several times, during the last months, to change my habits, to eat better at first, and then, start a fast. I have not been successful at it.
I am considering to just simply start a fast (I got the distilled water, and the chance to do it at home without many obligations, since I am not working now). I have some responsibilities, of course, but they are not many. In other words, I have the chance to do it and rest all I want and need.
So you know that I am considering that possibility of starting a Water Fasting for the 6 previously cited reasons, without preparing myself beforehand for it with a healthy diet.
Please, give me your opinions about all I have said (hope you understand me, English is not my native language).
- Re: Questions chrisb1
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This is a reply to # 1,961,080Anfisa,
your English is fine and certainly no obstacle in explaining your predicament.
Re' Osteoarthritis...
Much depends on the progress of the pathology or at what stage it has developed, but recovery is the rule rather than the exception. This is achieved by changing life-habits and esp' in relation to diet and the use of supplements post fast. Much depends on the stage so can you describe your symptoms fully?
Metabolic Syndrome...........
Metabolic syndrome as you are probably aware is a cluster of metabolic risk factors that come together in a single individual. These metabolic factors include insulin resistance, hypertension (high blood pressure), cholesterol abnormalities, and an increased risk for blood-clotting. Patients are most often overweight or obese.
Water-only-fasting will normalize metabolism because it is the only method that treats the body as a whole, rather than individual parts. Uniformity is the name of the game here or achieving homeostasis.
Yes one fast will probably not be long enough for the body to self-heal all of your conditions and eliminate toxins.
Fasting has been used in obesity many times and with great success as it is not just about losing weight but also about healing and cleansing.
Fear of fasting is the greatest obstacle of all, and where fear has known to kill people even after only a few days without food: the psychology of fasting is paramount to a successful outcome. You must overcome this to aid you in your endeavours for health.
Fasting means living without food of course and preferably with no food in the home: a whole new sphere of existence that can be easily adjusted to, if you have a positive attitude and the will to succeed.
Like any illness, you have to face it head on, and be prepared to do whatever it takes, but it also helps this journey enormously if you make comparisons between your own life and those who far less fortunate than yourself. Paul Bragg was a huge inspiration for me on my own two extended fasts like no other, so I suggest you read and/or obtain his book: "The Miracle Of Fasting" throughout.
Shelton, when asked what would be the best time to fast or what is the best preparation would reply: NOW. Forget the preparation and JUST DO IT. There is no time like the present and procrastination will only fuel your reasons not to begin at all and with a variety of excuses.
Fasting will readjust your taste buds like nothing else if carried out for a sufficient length of time, and change your eating habits, plus your relationship with food. Food is your master at the moment, but you need to be the master of your own destiny and control your own appetites and desires: LIFE IS THEN WORTH LIVING with a joy and energy that you may have only dreamed possible, but it is there right in front of you if you give MOTHER NATURE a helping hand and work with her and not AGAINST her.
Your comment that...........
"I have tried several times, during the last months, to change my habits, to eat better at first, and then, start a fast. I have not been successful at it".
Is because you are ingrained with old habits and toxemia which changes the mindset: toxemia governs your thoughts and even determines what they are. Shelton wrote a book entitled......"FASTING FOR RENEWAL OF LIFE": a masterpiece of inspiration and how you can lead life to the fullest possible extent. Living becomes a joy and you will achieve the "peace which passeth all understanding". It is not coincidence that Jesus of Nazareth fasted for forty days and nights.
AND.............
"I am considering to just simply start a fast (I got the distilled water, and the chance to do it at home without many obligations, since I am not working now). I have some responsibilities, of course, but they are not many. In other words, I have the chance to do it and rest all I want and need".
Excellent and marvellous. GO FOR IT.
Just go for it and you will renew your life and be born again. Time is on your side, and time is what you need to achieve all of this, so JUST DO IT.
Chrisb1.
- Re: Questions anfisa
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This is a reply to # 1,961,171Dear Chrisb1,
My OA was recently diagnosed. It is felt only on my right hip, and at the beginning stage. It does not hurt all the time. It shows itself in pain when I am doing things like dressing or walking down or up stairs. For example, my right leg range of movement is somewhat limited and it hurts when I try to put on pants while standing (I need to sit down to be able to do that). I also need to go upstairs by using "side steps", not to hurt. I do not have that problem with my left leg. Naturally, it is something that will only advance if I do not do anything to stop it. I understand it can only hurt and limit more if I allowed it to advance. It would be more difficult to heal (IF) if I allow it to progress.
My fear of fasting is not fear of the fasting itself in the physical sense, but fear of the emotional components of fasting itself. I will need to face my "demons" or those life situations that I never wanted to face, that I did not want to act on, because they are simply painful. I have used food as a temporary and daily relief for my emotional pain. I know that is a dangerous circle that can only bring me more reasons to feel frustrated and hurt. As an adult I do understand that problems do not go away just for ignoring them, they get worse. But I have been infantile about this truth, and for many years. I know that no amount of food will solve my life problems, and that these can only augment in number and size if I keep on eating to just dumb the pain for a while. Life it is such a misery for me! Nevertheless, I am not bitter about it. I know it has been only my making and that I can rescue myself back if I want to and simply do it.
"Like any illness, you have to face it head on, and be prepared to do whatever it takes.."
Your words are very comforting. You are soooo right!!
I just ordered those 2 books you mention. The one from Shelton, "FASTING FOR RENEWAL OF LIFE" is the one that calls more my attention.
"Shelton, when asked what would be the best time to fast or what is the best preparation would reply: NOW. Forget the preparation and JUST DO IT. There is no time like the present and procrastination will only fuel your reasons not to begin at all and with a variety of excuses."
That is so indeed, cause I have noticed it myself. The mind, so tricky, creates excuses to procrastinate.
I will start my fast, dear Chrisb 1. I will face my old demons and regain my long time lost health. There are so many things that I still want and need to do with my life!
Oh yes, I want to do it. I want to feel that life is worth living, and experience the joy to live, that joy I lost years ago!
I will start soon, and will try to post frequently here. After all, I need your guidance and the guidance of other members of the forum.
(you have touched my heart. THANK YOU)
- Re: Questions chirontherainbowbridge
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This is a reply to # 1,961,225Anfisa,
I concur with everything Chris has said. And the way through is to read good literature until you feel comfortable and you can see the lineage of truthful people that come before you, whose experience you can trust.
Fear is really only the other 'side' of love, it turns out, and both states or 'sides' cannot co-exist. A lot of the kind of fear you speak of is very much perpetuated by the toxins that are engineered into foods to get us addicted, and returning to them. These interfere with being able to clearly see through our stuck states and protective 'padding', for if we did, we would not be good consumers! A free person is free to see in a whole new way that cuts through deception, and leads everyone to common goodness. But the Water Fast is exceptional at unlocking these locks that various excitotoxins and preservatives , fake sugars, etc etc. have us under the grips of.
I strongly encourage checking into EFT, ("emotional freedom techinique) for the emotional support to get past the transient ups and downs. Ups and downs affect us all, but they can be greatly minimized to where you can still note some discomfort or other, or limiting thought, but find that you feel detached form it, and just curiously able to watch it dissolve. One of the "slogans" of EFT that has real meaning, and is not just a 'sell' is "try it on everything". In fact if you google that +EFT, you will come up with good links. Deep breathing too- because emotions go hand in hand with holding the breath, or not, is another thing that will be very helpful to you. People commonly forget to breathe--or forget that slowing the breath can do so much good. These have helped untold numbers of people through water fasting.
EFT is essentially a way to 'tap' on energy meridians or pathways in the body--which connect to all organs and systems. It is a form of acupressure. It is painless, and begins to be very natural, very easy, and very relaxing very soon after learning the basic steps. You can do it yourself, or find a practitioner to work with you, if desired.
wish you the best,
Chiron
- Re: Questions anfisa
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This is a reply to # 1,961,237Chiron,
Following your suggestion I also checked into the EFT technique and decided to spend some time in Youtube, learning fast and simple ways from some video. I will not delay much more my fasting but this new technique is something simple that I could learn fast so I can use it while fasting as needed.
It looks I might get a lot of benefit from the EFT, since the emotional pain is the scary thing (for me) about fasting.
You are very perceptive and sensitive. Thanks for your understanding.
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This is a reply to # 1,961,225Anfisa,
over the years here on this forum it has been so gratifying to witness the life-changing benefits that water-only-fasting has made to peoples lives; it has literally turned their lives around from "mere existence" to actually living life to its fullest. I have stated this many times here on the forum, and this has to be one of my favourite quotes, is the comment made by the novelist Upton Sinclair after his first prolonged fast: "I have discovered a state of superhealth, unknown to humans". How true that comment is.
Although it may be hard to see this for yourself at this moment in time, you will be embarking on the single most important and radical journey to health that anyone could possibly undergo.
My advice at this time is to look forward to what "will be" as the journey to full life-invigorating health could and probably will be a difficult one, and where you may feel you want to "throw in the towel" at various points along the way, but if you persevere, and I so hope that you do, the rewards are profound. The support you need and the mental resolve in achieving your goals are only a post away on this forum; everyone but everyone will be behind you no matter what. I will personally make that my commitment to you here and now.
"Chiron" and "NH.is.Scientific" have already offered their support and where their comments are welcomed.
Despite my involvement and study of Nutrition/Natural Hygiene and fasting over the last 31 years, I am still learning: for example Chiron has led me to EFT and this is something I would heartily recommend.
Your description of OA seems as if it is the acute stage with recently being diagnosed and the amount of movement/pain that you have: the prognosis is a good one as Water-only-fasting is most effective for this condition at this stage.
EFT should help you to address your emotional fears and demons while you are fasting; many people such as yourself use food as a crutch in their lives, in just the same way as people use tobacco or drink, but fasting will change your mental outlook profoundly. My only concern in a World where we have become accustomed to popping a pill, and the problem will vanish overnight, is that this may carry over into your fast, and you may expect too much too soon: I would like to stress that your present health problems, which have taken years to develop will take time to be resolved, so we are looking at at least several months to achieve your goals: one long fast of 20 days or so (longer would be better of say up to 30 days) followed by "careful refeeding" for an equal length of time, followed by another prolonged fast if desired; the timetable to be decided by you if and when you wish to undertake another fast.
Sheltons book is very good but Braggs book is probably the more inspirational.
Set a goal and a date for the commencement of your fast; we are with you all the way, you have friends here, and for as long as it takes. Post often for support as you will need it.
If it is any comfort or inspiration to you, I underwent two extended water-only-fasts over 30 years ago in the successful battle against Advanced Leukemia, and in isolation and with only snail-mail and some telephone support!!!
I will sign off for now with my favourite quote of Sheltons........
"Yours in Health-Truth and Medical Liberty".
Chrisb1.
- Re: Questions anfisa
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This is a reply to # 1,961,396Oh, Chris, you had to live, of course, to help others! I believe you received help, many years ago, cause God knew you would not be selfish about it and would share all you learned with others.
I will start my fast tomorrow, Tuesday, July 10th. I will post here frequently and will take advantage of your offer to advise me. I promise to share as much as possible for you to be able to do so. And also to get feedback from other long term members like Chiron and NH.
I will not decide on a particular number of days. I will play it by ear, as a I go, will need to learn the process by doing it.
I assure you that I have nice personality trait: PATIENCE. I have been depressed and ignorant about Water Fasting and natural health; but patience, that I have. I do understand that results of a life time of neglect can not be reversed fast. This will take commitment, determination, patience and TIME.
I feel that, in a way, I owe it not only to myself but to the ones I love, and to others. It is certainly a sin not to take proper care of ourselves> I assume responsibility for my condition, always had, only that now, I decided to change, for good.
Again, thank you.
Anfisa
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- Re: Questions AnneV
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This is a reply to # 1,961,225
Hi Anfisa,
I enjoyed reading your posts; you described so well, the feelings most of us have. I hope you will find a strength and persistence to fast.
I'm enclosing a link I've got from Chrisb some time ago. Immediately after I read it, I decided to fast, and in the moments of crises I'm still reading it over and over. Perhaps, I don't need to elaborate why, you will find that it speaks for itself.
I wish you all best, keep us post it.
Anne
"I hope Larryb doesn't mind me reposting his link from the Fasting Debate forum under the heading "Fasting for Depression...It worked", but thought you would benefit from it........"
//www.curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=1137654#i
- Re: Questions anfisa
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This is a reply to # 1,961,446Hi Anne,
You are so sweet! Not only for that wonderful link (well, got to be honest and admit to the fact that Depression is kind of normal when we reach this state of wanting to fast so suddenly).
Thank you for telling me that I can express myself in this non native tongue, this "masculine" English language that intimidates me often. It means you and others have no problems understanding me. This certainly will help me to feel free to post about my Fasting journey.
Anne, will you accompany me too? I mean, will you be here too, with the others, to read my posts, to listen to my crazy feelings and to the ideas that will occur to me while fasting?
I would be very happy with so many wonderful people here, paying attention to my "adventure", ready to advise and guide me with their knowledge and experience.
I'll start tomorrow, Anne. What Chris says is true, no more efforts to prepare my body to fast. My mind plays dirty tricks on me, and always finds excuses to delay fasting. Chris explains, very well, that my system is so toxic that my thinking is not right. I do agree with it because I had that vague idea within me, like having 2 persons conversing within me, the logical,sensible me, and the toxic, miserable me. I do realize now that fasting must be for the mind as good as it is for the body.
I know the road ahead will be somewhat uncomfortable. But if you will be by the sides listening and talking, will not be so bad.
Thank you.
Anfisa - Re: Questions anfisa
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This is a reply to # 1,961,446Anne,
Just to let you know that the last paragraph from your link,
"And from what I've seen and read, fasting is probably the most beneficial remedy for Depression of all. Depression gives you the pain and motivation to change, and fasting gives you the clarity and break from the past to make necessary, radical, and life altering adjustments."
It almost made me cry out of gratitude, Just what I needed to read now, before my bedtime!
I typed that paragraph and placed it on my fridge door. It will be the first thing I will read in the morning from now on.
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This is a reply to # 1,961,763Hi Anfisa,
I’m glad that you find it inspiring. For me was also about justification-- to take care about myself and not to feel guilty about it—and realization: it is a time and there is no way around it. It was just enough of misery.
I started fasting on July 1st, actually 2nd, because I decided to fast for 6 days and then to take ‘breaks’ on Sundays. This is my second week. Considering Depression issues and that I’m overweight 80 - 100 pounds I found that 20 days fast-I believe everything longer than that should be supervised-- physically would not do much for me and at the same time emotionally would washed me out. This way, by incorporating one-day breaks, I’m trying to slow down the process, to ‘buy’ some time and hopefully to develop healthy eating habits.
I also fasted in June for 8 days, and I broke it because of a birthday party, which was more or less a mind-trick excuse. The first few days were very ugly, I was under a constant I’m-about-to-die feeling, so I have to admit, this time I used a shortcut. Three days before fast 6/29-7/1 I induced myself in ketosis by eating cheese and small quantities of sour cream. I’m vegetarian so these are two only options I had. It is not ideal, but it worked and it was much easier to handle those toxic hunger attacks. (I decided to deal with perfectionism some other time.)
Once in ketosis, life is much easier. I ate everything I wanted on Sunday (watermelon, bread, veggie burgers) but I couldn’t eat as much as usual and that is by itself a significant improvement. Today (Tuesday), my thong is white again, so I believe I successfully passed the first break.
Definitely, don’t get lost and don’t get discouraged. I think it is very important to stay on the Forum and to post your experience as often as you can. Most of us are some sort of addicts and this Forum has therapeutic value of a group treatment. As long as you are sharing your experience and learning from others (and their mistakes) things eventually will get better. At least that is what I believe.
Looking forward hearing from you again
Anne
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This is a reply to # 1,961,080anfisa,
Chris made some excellent points in his replies to you and I wholeheartedly agree that you should just GO FOR IT. Whether you fast for a day, a week or several weeks, getting started is the all important first step. Then take it a day at a time and if you feel at any moment that you want to stop, that's OK. You will still benefit from every day that you fast.
While you're fasting or even while you're building up to a fast, you would do well to read up on much of Shelton's works especially his book Food Combining Made Easy, commonly available via Amazon. I find that knowing the WHY behind the healthful living guidelines is extremely inspiring and the more we know about how GOOD healthy living is for us and how BAD unhealthy living is, the easier it is to change the habits of a lifetime that bring us only disease and misery.
Healthful living is also easier when you associate with people who practice healthful living. It doesn't mean that you have to give up friends and family who help perpetuate bad habits but you can counter their negative influence by spending more time socialising with health-seekers.
Good luck on your quest for health and happiness.
NH...- Re: Questions trimnut2
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This is a reply to # 1,961,226Excellent posts all around thanks everyone.
I would just make a simple point in this situation anfisa which has probably been said but I missed it.
The ease of the fast will be in direct proportion to the quality of the preparation.
NH documented his last fast and that is certainly a goo place to start. Personally speaking I would suggest doing a full cycle of flushing and then go into NH´s fruit regime.
Most importantly a fast done well can produce a remarkable turnaround in your conditions. My cardiologists tells me to keep doing what I am doing these days. Fasting got me there.
Every Best T2- Re: Questions anfisa
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This is a reply to # 1,961,543You are right, you are very right. And that is the Ideal. Unfortunately, I have failed so many times at trying to do it that way, that I want to just jump into WF immediately. Will I succeed? I do not know, I will do it with all the honesty that I am capable of, and and I am counting on my own sincerity to help me out.
Preparation, the ability to prepare, is what I hope to do the second fast around. As of now, with all my heart, will start the fast. I am simply too sick and do not want to wait.
Thank you.
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This is a reply to # 1,961,226NH,
You are right. Starting is the most important step, and I am starting tomorrow.
I plan to spend a lot of time reading about fasting, as you suggest. I did not know about fasting before. As you may know, in our modern society, people do not discuss fasting. And if they mention it, they do it to put it down, and say bad things about it and about the people that practice it. Because of it, education is vital, as you recommend.
Thanks for reminding me the importance of eating properly. I hear that the post feeding period is even more difficult than the fast itself, so I will need to learn how to better eat in between and after fasting.
I am starting my fast tomorrow, Tuesday, July 10th. I will post after every day, if possible. I hope you will be around, sir, to give me your thoughts about my ways. I really need that, if you please, do not mind to do it.
Anfisa- Re: Questions NH.is.Scientific
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This is a reply to # 1,961,758anfisa,
I'll be very happy to provide guidance from my own experience but more importantly as supplied to us in great quantity from those fasting experts with 3 to 6 decades of experience.
I look forward to hearing of your progress.
NH... - Re: Questions trimnut2
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This is a reply to # 1,961,758Hello Anfida, Every power to you.
Yep stick to it and remember not quite achieving what you wish is just another opportunity to do better next time.
Certainly fasting will give you the biggest stick to tackle your health issues that I can know of. Spot on track for great results I suspect.
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This is a reply to # 1,961,758Anfisa,
lots of good messages for you and all the support you need. Many of us have tackled exactly what you are about to do, and a problem shared is a problem halved as it were.
Make no mistake though, and pulling no punches, fasting CAN be a very trying ordeal, depending on your levels of toxemia, which will have built up gradually over the course of your lifetime, but then again, some people just sail through despite high levels.
My own first fast was horrendous with detox symptoms: headache, foul breath, extremely coated tongue, weakness, some vomiting around the 20 day stage, a spitting crisis, but then I was extremely toxic and enervated and had a serious life-threatening disease.
My second extended fast was plain sailing and a real joy.
Despite your symptoms, or the absence of them on your fast, realize that you are doing what Mother Nature intended: you are using her innate method of healing and cleansing.
The healing power comes from ALL of your bodily energies and esp' digestive energy (the most demanding energy expenditure) which is diverted for that purpose.
Paul Bragg was often quoted as saying on his own early fasting experiences: just "grin and bear".
All of the above may have built a rather gloomy portrait of fasting, but this isn't always the case of course, and as NH has told us, and others will testify, but I wanted you to be fully prepared as to what will and may occur on your fasting journey.
If you experience any symptoms of any description, and for reassurance, post away, and we will be only too pleased to help you with your journey towards wellness.
This link should be of help in knowing what to expect as a general guide..............
//www.curezone.org/faq/q.asp?a=25,1787,2836&q=759
We are with you every step of the way.
Chrisb1.
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