TMG lowering body temp. 
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I've been taking TMG, trimethylglycine for a little over a week now. I was feeling depressed over finances and was crying a lot...pretty much daily though I was trying not to. And I also have been having some tummy issues and pale stools (very yellowish). I suspect part of the problem has come about from trying Irvingia for a month. It gave me anxiety and my stools were much lighter when I used the stuff.
Anyway the TMG cheered me right up and I felt so much happier and energetic each day that I took it. My stools have gotten a little bit darker. I do think it is helping me feel more optimistic in general.
Here is the "however", every day that I take it I am cold. I feel cold and my body is cold to the touch.
Also I have been having breast soreness.
Does TMG have an effect on hormones?
Why might it be making me cold?
I was really hoping I could just take the TMG by itself for awhile as I would ultimately like to get off of all supplements, but...are there any suggestions of what to take to warm me up that I could take with the TMG (something not too stimulating as the TMG can be quite stimulating at times, and something that does not cause me to gain weight. I am currently trying to lose 10-15 lbs)
I'd also love to hear anyone else's experience with taking TMG. I'm quite fascinated by how it makes me feel and I'm wondering if the good effects will only be short lived.
It seemed my typing test and a timed math test I took for a job assessment were much improved while taking TMG.
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This is a reply to # 1,919,710Irvingia or African Mango lowered my cortisol levels too low. Not good. I got weird pain in my feet and woke up nauseous.- Re: TMG lowering body temp. hopeblossom
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MoreThis is a reply to # 1,919,724Lolite, I read one customer review where the person thought that Irvingia or African Mango gave them gall stones or gall bladder problems. I believe it!
Initially it seemed like it made me feel better and so it took awhile for me to notice that I was having anxiety and other troubling symptoms, by then I think it had done a fair amount of damage. It's been about a month since I stopped taking it, but my body still seems out of balance. I really regret taking it now. I could kick myself.
It made me nauseous too and I had intermittent tingling in my hands and feet and also (now that I think of it) hot spots of burning sensations.
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This is a reply to # 1,919,710I have been taking TMG for over a year now but like 95% of every sup I've taken, I have not noticed any changes I can put my finger on. I have not been consistent with the TMG, as in every day, but at least 3-5 times a week most weeks.
My body temp is naturally low since menopause so it's likely my hormonal balance is out of whack which has affected the thyroid causing hypothyroidism. Didn't know TMG was supposed to help that or cause low body temp, but either way, TMG hasn't changed that either.
God bless.
Marci
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- Re: TMG lowering body temp. hopeblossom
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This is a reply to # 1,919,889Thanks Marci. So do you just keep taking the TMG because it is suppose to be healthy? You haven't noticed any effect at all from it?
I know we all react differently to things and I seem to be one of those people who is overly sensitive to stuff. It can be good and bad. The good is that when I get good effects, they are usually REALLY GOOD.
Gosh once I hit menopause I hope I'm not going to be cold the rest of my life. I think it's a real burden and to top it off I hate wearing heavy clothing. I love wearing shorts in the summer to get as much sunshine as I can.
Surprisingly I have looked and looked, but I haven't found too much information on trimethylglycine other than a basic list of what it helps with.
I cannot find anything about how it affects hormones.
My limited knowledge and with the effects I am feeling from it, I'm assuming it provides lots of nuerotransmitters for nerve conduction and I think I read that it helps balance cellular fluid so it is probably helping the nerves work better which would explain the senses of hearing, vision and touch being heightened.
I'm just a little afraid since I've been having breast soreness and I'm getting cold that it could increase estrogen.
- Re: TMG lowering body temp. GrannyCat
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This is a reply to # 1,919,900I get breast soreness and 'streak's of pain now and again too. Also aches & pains all over that come and go.
Not everyone who hits menopause is going to end up as a wreck. I think a lot of it has to do with genetics and how healthy you are going INTO menopause.
Yeah, I just take the TMG because it's supposed to be healthy for me. Same reason I take Vit. D3, iodine, magnesium, probiotics and lots of greens. I'm trying to use up all my supplements now and get back to real food instead with a very few exceptions.
Hang in there! It won't be long now.
Marci
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- Wilson's Temperature Syndrome? hopeblossom
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This is a reply to # 1,919,941Now I'm beginning to think that I have Wilson's Temperature Syndrome.
There's no way I could ever get an RX for T3 of course. I've gone to the doctors in my area with absolutely no help.
Every time I try to diet, or go through a lot of stress I get depressed and I get cold. My nails are extremely thin.
I have very heavy periods, dry skin...There are times when I feel weak.
Today the TMG didn't seem to have an effect on me at all. I'm back to feeling depressed. Of course, part of it is life circumstances. I need a job. But I know when I am feeling better it is much easier to cope with the tough things.
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- Re: Wilson's Temperature Syndrome? GrannyCat
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This is a reply to # 1,920,342Yeah, I finally stopped 'dieting' and now focus on trying to eat the healthiest, freshest, purest foods and liquids I can and am working on eventually only taking a small handful of sups. I think after doing every crazy diet out their since I was in the my teens [eons ago!] my body is just flat tired of diets and frankly, so am I.
If I never lose any weight, I'll still be the healthiest fat person I can be! LOL
I am finding if I can keep my thoughts positive then my emotions aren't so easily swayed or out of control, esp. when life throws a curveball. Doing this isn't 100% foolproof, but it IS helping and that is encouraging. I am trying meditation, positive, encouraging and uplifting self talk, staying focused and controlling my thoughts, too.
One day at a time, step by step!
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- Or Excess Copper? hopeblossom
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This is a reply to # 1,920,446It sounds like you are doing well Marci.
I do try and control my thoughts, but there are times when my body gets so out of balance that even that is hard to do.
The past few weeks I have been teetering on a fine line of that - being able to control my thoughts and think positively and feeling despair.
I've been doing some researching and I think if I can figure out why my body is out of balance then I can make it better.
I tried the TMG and initially it helped, but then I got cold and the antidepressant effects went away. I felt crummy for most of today and then this afternoon I decided to take some zinc and I seeeeem... (hopefully) to be feeling a bit better.
Life is too hard right now for me to be a mess. I have got to be able to be capable of dealing with our challenges. Financial and otherwise.
Something else, our well water leaves a green/blue ring on all of our sinks. I read that can be an indicator of copper. Too much copper can lead to a zinc deficiency.
So that may be a possibility of what is contributing to my problems.
I don't even have the money or resources to have it tested or for any kind of water treatment device. Although we do have a simple filter underneath the house. I wonder if there is a filter that absorbs copper?
For now I guess I can keep taking a little zinc everyday and see if that makes a difference in how I feel.
- Re: Or Excess Copper? GrannyCat
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This is a reply to # 1,920,460Know that you are not alone. I know that makes me feel better when I'm trying or in the dumps. I tend to think I'm the ONLY ONE going through troubles and trials or that no one cares or that I'm alone in it.
Our well water only rusts the porcelain without our salt water conditioner running. Never seen any blue/green coloring. Have you checked out sites that deal with this? Tons of FREE information online.
Praying we both find the solutions we seek and SOON!!!
Marci
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Re: Or Excess Copper? hopeblossom
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This is a reply to # 1,920,595Thank you Marci!
I've been looking up the blue green stains and it seems copper is a known cause of this in water. I've been seeing these blue green stains in my sinks and tubs for years now and never thought much of it. I feel better since taking a 23mg zinc lozenge yesterday and I took another one today. Excess copper causes a zinc deficiency.Do you take zinc?
- Re: Or Excess Copper? GrannyCat
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This is a reply to # 1,920,612Yes I do take zinc! Is the excess copper in the soil particular to where you live or what?
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- Re: Or Excess Copper? happyfamily6
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This is a reply to # 1,920,460I was just reading on the Mirena forum where someone posted this article:
http://drlwilson.com/articles/copper_toxicity_syndrome.htm
I'm in the middle of reading it and trying to figure out if it's accurate, true, etc. It's not very scholarly, and not very well edited. But the main idea might be right. Any thoughts, anyone?
I'm starting to wonder if this is related to my problems. The very next post I read, after the link, was yours on this forum, so it makes me wonder even more.
:)
Diana- Re: Or Excess Copper? hopeblossom
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Thank you Diana for posting this. What types of problems have you been having?
The more I read the more I suspect that excess copper and zinc defiency are part or all of my problem.
Here is another site:http://www.nutritional-healing.com.au/content/articles-content.php?heading=Copper%20excess
- Re: Or Excess Copper? GrannyCat
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This is a reply to # 1,920,619Never done any research on this ... exactly how does a person end up with too much copper??? Or not enough zinc?
- Re: Or Excess Copper? hopeblossom
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I think if I have too much copper it's probably coming from my water. I have a green/blue stain on one sink (the others I scrubbed real good recently. LOL) and today when I took a bath I paid extra attention and the water was obviously very greenish. Have you ever come across an old green penny? It's that same greenish color.
Other than that, I don't really know. When I read about the sink stains and colored water that was kind of my eureka moment because ours is so prominent. I wish I could afford to have the water tested- and myself and my family, but we are struggling to pay our regular bills as it is.
I would think it would be safe to supplement a low dose of zinc. There are some supplements that come with both zinc and copper if a person is concerned about getting them out of balance. I'm pretty sure I have copper in my water though so I really do not want to take anymore. I ordered some 30mg capsules of zinc and once I finish that bottle I probably would take 10-15 mg a day. These are just my guesses of what seems like would be a safe amount after doing some reading here and elsewhere.
I've been drinking this blue/green water since 1999. I can't help but wonder how much of that has affected my health and how many of my health problems have come from that, but maybe I was blaming it on other stuff.... Or maybe it just played a small part in some of my problems. I don't know. I also don't know if I can get rid of the blue green water. I am hoping that taking zinc on a regular basis will help me feel better and maybe more normal.
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- Re: Or Excess Copper? happyfamily6
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This is a reply to # 1,920,619Thanks for another link about copper! That's the focus of my study right now.
My issues are largely neurological: some dizziness, spacey head feeling, shakiness/tremors, erythromelalgia/flushing disorder, mild anxiety, trouble sleeping, pressure in my head, which tweaks my vision somehow, sensitivity to loud sounds and lights, hair loss, and some others, but those are the main ones. I do have autoimmune antibodies, but all of my other tests, including MRI to rule out MS, are normal. My issues stem from a reaction to the Mirena, and I'm about 70% recovered, but hoping for even better. My symptoms are tightly related to my hormones. The Mirena destroyed my hormonal balance. I really just feel that my body chemistry is off balance. My doctors only treatment idea was artificial hormones and steroids, so I'm glad I've recovered as much as I have just by following this forum's advice.
:)
Diana
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This is a reply to # 1,920,597Wow, Diana, that was a very detailed and informative article! I bookmarked that one and copied it for safe keeping. Definitely worth a further study.
Sometimes I get so much information my brain just zones out and I'm like STOP TOO MUCH ENOUGH ALREADY! Just can't absorb and process all the information I read every day! So I have to take in information like eating an elephant ... small bites at a time!
Marci
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- Re: Or Excess Copper? jfh
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This is a reply to # 1,920,597Wilson has a lot of interesting articles. http://drlwilson.com/read%20articles.htm
At least they are interesting enough to be thought provoking.
- Re: Or Excess Copper? Hveragerthi
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This is a reply to # 1,920,597
I was just reading on the Mirena forum where someone posted this article:
http://drlwilson.com/articles/copper_toxicity_syndrome.htm
I'm in the middle of reading it and trying to figure out if it's accurate, true, etc. It's not very scholarly, and not very well edited. But the main idea might be right. Any thoughts, anyone?For the most part. The problem with the article is that it is rather vague and there is a lot more involved with some of the conditions they mention.
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This is a reply to # 1,920,460
Something else, our well water leaves a green/blue ring on all of our sinks. I read that can be an indicator of copper. Too much copper can lead to a zinc deficiency.
Yes, copper and zinc are antagonists to each other. High levels of one will displace the other.
The green would be from copper salts. Parts of the country such as Bisbee, Arizona have high copper levels in the soil.
So that may be a possibility of what is contributing to my problems.
I don't even have the money or resources to have it tested or for any kind of water treatment device. Although we do have a simple filter underneath the house. I wonder if there is a filter that absorbs copper?A reverse osmosis will remove copper, but whole house systems are quite expensive.
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This is a reply to # 1,919,710My experience with TMG seems unique: I was taking a lot of supplements and started losing my sense of taste. After eliminating them one by one to find the culprit, it's the TMG. I can take it for about 3 days in a row but once I start losing my taste I stop and it comes back. On the positive side, I do notice my brain functioning clearer when I take it.
I feel cold all the time, I have a strange Thyroid issue that can't be solved with Thyroid meds (even Armour) So I've just been going by hv's suggestions of supporting the adrenals, using bitters, etc. Some of my symptoms have improved but my mind still feels unfocused and my memory is really bad.
Best wishes to you - Re: TMG lowering body temp. Hveragerthi
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This is a reply to # 1,919,710
I've been taking TMG, trimethylglycine for a little over a week now. I was feeling depressed over finances and was crying a lot...pretty much daily though I was trying not to. And I also have been having some tummy issues and pale stools (very yellowish). I suspect part of the problem has come about from trying Irvingia for a month. It gave me anxiety and my stools were much lighter when I used the stuff.
Lighter stools would likely be from a decrease in bile secretion.
Anyway the TMG cheered me right up and I felt so much happier and energetic each day that I took it. My stools have gotten a little bit darker. I do think it is helping me feel more optimistic in general.
Here is the "however", every day that I take it I am cold. I feel cold and my body is cold to the touch.
Also I have been having breast soreness.
Sounds like increased progesterone.
Does TMG have an effect on hormones?
Yes, the production of hormones and the breakdown of hormones are dependent on methylation. For example, methylation plays a role in the production of progesterone and the breakdown of estrogens.
Why might it be making me cold?
Not real sure. You mentioned getting a stimulant effect from it as well, which makes it sound possible like an epinephrine increase.
I was really hoping I could just take the TMG by itself for awhile as I would ultimately like to get off of all supplements, but...are there any suggestions of what to take to warm me up that I could take with the TMG (something not too stimulating as the TMG can be quite stimulating at times, and something that does not cause me to gain weight. I am currently trying to lose 10-15 lbs)
Supplementing with lecithin granules can help with weight loss and controlling epinephrine.
I'd also love to hear anyone else's experience with taking TMG. I'm quite fascinated by how it makes me feel and I'm wondering if the good effects will only be short lived.
It seemed my typing test and a timed math test I took for a job assessment were much improved while taking TMG.
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This is a reply to # 1,919,710Both my wife and I are copper toxic, and have similar cold symptoms to you.
TMG, iodine, arginine, creatine, p5p, carnitine, ribose, BCAA, manganese, drinking water that isn't hot and a couple others make me cold very consistently.
methylfolate, mb12, iron, lysine, choline, lecithin, cdp choline, sam-e, ip6, inositol, selenium do not make me feel cold.
i also have lymph problems in my neck that flares up, with no obvious swollen nodes, but the whole deep cervical lymph gets painful. sometimes inositol with choline clears it up, other times it doesn't. my wife has some sort of infection behind the nipple that gets sore with TMG, SAM-e, BCAA and iron taken without lactoferrin.
Taking molybdenum to treat the copper made the cold symptoms much much worse. Not so much the zinc.
I was wondering if you figured anything out. So far, one possibility we haven't looked at is iron deficiency, as most copper antagonists are iron antagonists.
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This is a reply to # 2,035,930
What I have found for myself that makes me feel better is;
1 kelp tablet with 150 mcg iodine (this seems to be just the right amount) and 3 tablets of Barley Grass, those two things have significantly made me feel better and given me energy.
And 1/2 TB - 1 Tb of liver powder mixed with tomato juice REALLY warms me up - sometimes I get hot.
I think getting the nutrients from natural sources are much better than taking minerals or vitamins in isolation. Every time I've tried taking something in isolation over a period of several days it seems to put my body out of balance and I develope side effects.
I've tried many, many things like zinc, molybdenum, methylfolate, larger amounts of iodine, selenium, magnesium, many herbs.
The adaptogen herbs are the best, but they seem like short term solutions.
I feel the best now than I have in a long time just in taking the kelp, barley grass and occasionally the liver powder. I've decided not to take the liver powder daily as I don't feel I need it everyday, but more every other day.
A couple of other things, I did buy and my husband installed a reverse osmosis water filter on my kitchen sink faucet. We paid $150. for one from Lowes and bought it online.
I also try and get as much sunshine as possible. I think a vit D deficiency can significantly contribute to illness as it's needed in so many of our enzyme processes in our body.
I've also begun a weight training exercise program from a book I bought. I still feel weak, but I think I am making slow progress.
I am sorry I am late in replying, but I do not get email notifications.
I tried to post this yesterday, but somehow it just posted a blank page.
Have you and your wife found anything helpful?
It is good to compare notes as it can be so frustrating finding something to help us feel better.
- Re: TMG lowering body temp. SPO
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This is a reply to # 2,051,090Hi, I found this thread because I was wondering if TMG made anyone else cold, because I freeze when I take it. My thyroid is low (T3), not sure if that is why. I am going to keep taking the TMG as it is helping my dry eyes and mood, so I'll try the liver powder to heat up.
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