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Hi,
I have previously done a 3 day Water Fast and broke it on the 4th day, unfortunately. I am starting day one today again and I am determined to stiick to it!
My question is water amounts. Should I be drinking only when I am thirsty or hungry or should I drink a certain amount? I just want to make sure I do this right:)
Thank you so much :)- Re: Water question Mighty.Sun.Tzu
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"Should I be drinking only when I am thirsty or hungry or should I drink a certain amount?"
Hello TrueGem,
Drinking only when thirsty is what the masters including Dr. Shelton teach and ideally the water is distilled which is the nearest thing to pure rain water or to say it another way, pure h2o. Drinking when hungry is a tactic you might wish to employ if it helps keep you going (i would personally prefer to resist this), but if your body needs water this will be expressed in the form of thirst, starting in the mouth (mild) and reaching the throat (moderate to heavy) as thirst deepens. Drinking more water than we need will cause the kidneys to work harder than necessary and will slow the process of detoxification... thus drinking only to thirst is the best practice.
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This is a reply to # 1,758,131Some say drink when thirst some say to drink like 8 glasses a day more if you are heavy.
Here is lesson. Wife is on juice fast since felt it was too much for her to go to water first time. She is on day 13.She wasn't listening to my advice to drink about 6 -8 oz glasses a day. She cut it down to one or two trying to lose more weight faster. And told her drink like 4 or more glasses of water daily as well. She decided to no drink water she don't like it much.
So today she passed out,hit her head and back,luckily she is ok but it could have been very bad.
If you get dehydrated bad you could also pass out. Don't rely on sense of thirst to protect you.Its not that great for that.
My advice drink 8 to 10. For weight loss it seems to be working great.I am down from 258.8 to 226.0 today day 23.If you are more worried about some spiritual thing then do whatever God or whoever tells you I guess. Its your body,your fast.But drop that water and bad things will happen. I was also feeling lightheaded yesterday and also had not taken my water that day like usual. So upped the water and feel fine today.
Best wishes on your fast.
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- Re: Water question ALB
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This is a reply to # 1,758,179Hmm think this is what Shelton wrote on the subject..
http://chestofbooks.com/health/natural-cure/The-Hygienic-System-Fasting-and-S...
Obviously he had a lot of experience with fasting people.He also mentions other fasting experts that adviced drinking more.
He does say that fasting is much quicker for weight loss up to like 3 pounds a day with less water drank but not sure if this is fat loss or simply just mostly more water being taken from the bodies reserves. If its simply water being removed its useless as this will come back after fast and its pretty much against simple physics to think that the body can lose 3 pounds of fat a day ,half to maybe pound or so a day seems much more realistic just from taking calories into account. 3500 is supposed to be pound of fat lost. Person that is maybe 300 pounds might burn 3000 just sitting there. Fast them on zero from water and would expect around a pound a day if they were moving around a bit,maybe doing some exercise. But can't see how cutting down water can make them burn 10,000 a day. Just don't make any sense at all.
My weight loss drinking 8 to 10 is around pound a day currently. And as said since have gout have gotten bad attacks when cut back my water.
Supposed Shelton is saying people have gone like 15 to 20 days with no water. I also thought death happened much sooner with no water. And the symptoms of dehydration are well documented fact one is short term memory and mine seemed to be not great when cut down on my water consumption and as said felt lightheaded and wife fainted when she cut down hers to near zero. So you have Shelton on the one hand arguing to drink when thirst and not bother if you are not thirsty. Says better for weight loss too. And you have lots of other people saying that 8 or more is good for you. Hard to know what to believe sometimes. And using animals like desert rats don't think that is too comparable to human biology.
But hey guess do what you feel is right. I know I am confused!! And mabye mad that could be dry fasting and getting 3 pounds of day lost. Just wish could be sure it was fat lost not water. Seems to me if you drink sufficient water weight lost is fat and from way my stomach has shrunk last 23 days I know I am losing fat.
I put on 36 pants today and while a bit tight they fit. And was wearing 40s at beginning and these were same brand stretch jeans. Fat is burning off.
Also I dare most people to do no water or minimal and no food and try to do any physical work at all. What he said about guy running or whatever seems highly improbable. Most people Water Fasting are weak as kittens for at least several days some much longer. I just went on my treadmill for half hour at 2.8mph or so for 30 minutes. But I have drank 6 glasses of water today. My energy seems fine. No lightheadedness.Is the drinking of more water and maybe no dehydration related to amount of water drank?Well just go look up symptoms of dehydation. Remember Shelton is not God. Like everyone else he has his theories and opinions.
Wife feels much better though after more juice and water. No more dizzyness since.
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This is a reply to # 1,758,254Let us keep in mind that Juice Fasting is not the same as Water fasting. The need to drink water while juice fasting or eating is bigger.
Any way, this question of "to drink or not to drink" can be solved by reading, and reading, and reading more the works of the known experts on the subject.
However, we have to consider our personal philosophy, which often gets in the way:
1)Are we to help the body to do its job? (Allopathic Medicine belief) This attitude is based on the assumption that the body needs our help to do its internal job.
OR
2) Are we to leave the body alone to do its job? (Natural Hygiene belief) This second attitude is based on the assumption that the body knows what to do better than us. Our help, in this case, to try not to bother IT (the body).
Water Fasting, obviously, belongs to the realm of Natural Hygiene. But sometimes we are so brainwashed by Allopathic Medicine, that we can't tell these different approaches apart.
These are both scientific disciplines with its own laws, very useful. They complement each other. For example: Orthodox medicine is what you want in an ER after a trauma, the result of a traffic accident, for example. It is also the best for Diagnostic purposes, etc. Not to good for treatment of most diseases (they admit to it by confessing they can only "manage" a disease, not "heal"it)
Any way, a person who does not understand nor believe in Natural Hygiene should not try Water Fasting. Why now? Because practicing WF with a conventional Medicine mindset can be dangerous. These disciplines, which complement each other, are based on very different premises.
Practicing WF as defined by most classic authorities is not being a Purist (nothing wrong with being or not being a purist any way)If one feels eclectic in this field, the results can be alarming.
My respect.- Re: Water question ALB
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This is a reply to # 1,758,282Well guess lots of different opinions. Many many diseases and problems are cured by normal medicine. If didn't get appendix removed at 13 would be dead now,etc.etc. But sure on some things there may be other strategies. But many have died from doing natural type of treatments as well.
So as said pluses and minuses. All I can say is felt very lightheaded and almost passed out and that was on my Water Fast when cut back on water. I drank more last day or so again and didn't have that feeling since. Do I really care if lose 3 pounds a day no..that can't be actual fat loss as said its impossible. 1 pound a day is suffient. If Shelton was fasting these people with no water to get them to speed up their fat loss so they could be processed out the door in say 10 days verus 30 then seems to be they would be pretty mad when they realized they has simply depleted their body water not burned actual fat.
I could possibly see some less water would be needed if no food was being eaten and would think less would be needed on juice fasting as obviously water in juice. All I know is seemed to get the classic symptoms of dehyrdation in my own body so no idea how Sheltons patients didn't get it on near zero water consumption. - Re: Water question chirontherainbowbridge
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This is a reply to # 1,758,282strange, my "agree" does not register. (post still says 0 of 0 agree. hmm.) anyway, i agree with MC.
(edit--now my "agree" agrees. weird)
I must also add, this recent prevalent talk about losing weight faster, or slower, and the idea that seems to go with it that the more water, the faster the weight loss,
(or some such), strikes me as just NOT the spirit of this forum. It frankly seems kind of 'boot camp' extreme (with binging likely to follow),which was never the spirit of the NHers. meaning no argument, I just thought maybe another voice might add to the 'mix'. all the best with water fasting!
easiest on the system (unless you are mixing it all up with lifting weights, running treadmills, agressive, combative thinking and so on--which I guess works for some people, short term)
is
"water, according to thirst"
sometimes that recedes to almost nothing.
By the same token, the extreme dry fast is not to be played with.
All things in moderation.
C
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This is a reply to # 1,758,254"If its simply water being removed its useless as this will come back after fast and its pretty much against simple physics to think that the body can lose 3 pounds of fat a day ,half to maybe pound or so a day seems much more realistic just from taking calories into account. 3500 is supposed to be pound of fat lost. Person that is maybe 300 pounds might burn 3000 just sitting there. Fast them on zero from water and would expect around a pound a day if they were moving around a bit,maybe doing some exercise. But can't see how cutting down water can make them burn 10,000 a day. Just don't make any sense at all."
Hey there ALB :),
On this we are in complete agreement. This is why i find the many fasting weight loss stories a bit silly when so much of it is temporary water.
"Also I dare most people to do no water or minimal and no food and try to do any physical work at all. What he said about guy running or whatever seems highly improbable."
When we fast we are weak because our bodies are dealing with our toxemia and when we fast with less water we are detoxing even more aggressively, making ourselves even weaker. A fasting person who is not toxemic (such as the guy who won the race vs. the reporter) would be strong and energetic while fasting. The nutrition is there, all the vitamins and minerals and calories from our fat reserves and necessary glucose from protein sources. But when the body is sending toxins en mass into our bloodstream for removal, it is terribly weakening.
"Most people water fasting are weak as kittens for at least several days some much longer."
Also true. We are an immensely toxemic society and today much more so than in Dr. Shelton's generation.
"Remember Shelton is not God. Like everyone else he has his theories and opinions."
But unlike everyone else, he has fasted and studied tens of thousands of patients and is drawing from an extraordinarily immense treasure of experience. When it comes to fasting authorities, he is the closest thing to God that we have. Interesting to note that when Ghandi wanted fasting advice it is Dr. Shelton he sought.
"Wife feels much better though after more juice and water. No more dizzyness since."
Slow the detox and the detox symptoms will minimize... almost like clockwork :).
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- Re: Water question Mighty.Sun.Tzu
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This is a reply to # 1,758,179
"She decided to no drink water she don't like it much.
So today she passed out,hit her head and back,luckily she is ok but it could have been very bad."When we fast whether it be on water only or with juice we need to be ever mindful of the possibility of light headedness, regardless of how much water we drink. Less water generally equates to stronger detox so the need for caution in getting up slowly becomes even more prevailing.
"My advice drink 8 to 10. For weight loss it seems to be working great.I am down from 258.8 to 226.0 today day 23."Many people in this forum are actually fasting for optimal health, and not with such a strong emphasis on temporary water loss. When deciding how much water to drink, it is their health they are primarily concerned with and according to the masters who have dedicated their lives to the study of fasting and have fasted and studied tens of thousands of patients, drinking to thirst is the most beneficial way to go. I am really curious, which experts in the field of (water-only) fasting are you referring to who recommend "forcing down" 8-10 cups per day whether thirsty or not rather than drinking only the amount needed to satisfy thirst, whether this be 2 cups per day or 10? In whatever i have read, i have never seen such a recommendation.
"But drop that water and bad things will happen. I was also feeling lightheaded yesterday and also had not taken my water that day like usual. So upped the water and feel fine today."
Feeling fine is often the product of having slowed the rate of cleansing. Lightheadedness is a very common symptom of detox and excess water will make us cleanse and heal less aggressively. If your goal is slower detox (ie: to minimize light headedness) then drinking more water than you are thirsty for would be one way to accomplish this, exercising more than minimally would be another... and deviating in any way from water-only would be yet another. To believe that we must be doing something right if our symptoms are minimal is actually quite inaccurate.
If you want to cleanse and heal as aggressively as possible (drinking only to thirst, preferably distilled water and nothing besides water, exercising only so much as to flush the lymphs and otherwise resting as much as possible) light headedness is very likely to become more of a factor in your daily life.
The key to navigating light headedness is to always get up as carefully as necessary. This might mean sitting for 3 minutes on the edge of the bed before gradually standing up, ever on alert to sit back down again if you become dizzy, resting on the wall between the bedroom and the bathroom, peeing sitting down and whatever other measures may be necessary.
In my most recent fast i went 36 days with amazing results and light headedness was an accepted daily part of the experience. I drank only when thirsty, usually going dry for 15-20 hours per day without the slightest hint of dehydration and drank only home distilled water, exercised only minimally to flush the lymphs and laid down most days for about 23 hours. And yes i am one of the "purists" who had water-only with no vitamins, minerals, medications or any other exceptions. : ).
I know what it is to fast actively having briskly walked 2 hours per day in another fast, something i might add i still believe in for some people depending on their situation. What i mean is that everybody wants to cleanse and heal, but some people very legitimately would want to burn as much fat as possible even at the expense of some of the cleansing and healing. Such an active fast will slow the detox (though still be very detoxifying), but hasten the fat burning while also keeping the metabolism from temporarily slowing down as much... and as such might be an understandably worthwhile tradeoff for some people.
I also know what it is to drink more than thirsty for having fasted with a gallon of water per day believing at the time in my inexperience that it was "going to help flush more toxins out" and if i go back far enough i know what it is to have had mineral water or tea or sugar free gum or apple cider vinegar... a zero calorie diet rather than a distilled water-only fast. But the more i have read and experienced, the more clear it has become that the masters had it right.
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This is a reply to # 1,758,424Mighty said "....the masters had it right."
I would say that whatever works for us is right, whether it came from a Master, or is our own program. For example...Colon Cleansing. Is it to be done before, during, or after the Water Fast? And also...Refeeding. What is the Diet after the Fast that won't compromise the gains that were made?
What do the Masters say? I'm going to guess that there are as many answers as there are Masters.....WY - Re: Water question ALB
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This is a reply to # 1,758,424Interesting theories on the detox. So I feel great for 20 days and then I cut my water down and all of a sudden I feel lightheaded and now its detoxing?
There is NOT ONE SHRED OF SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE THAT DETOXING EVEN EXISTS.Its mostly mystical mumbo jumbo.
Go read the symptoms of dehydration over again or I can link them.
You are not weak from detox. You are weak as body switches over to fat burning possibly but not from detox. Wife didn't suddenly start detoxing 13 days into her fast. She drank more juice and more water and felt fine since. Your theory is based on faith but not science. Why is fasting always made into some mystical thing? Getting close to GOD type of thing. Because people fasted in the bible? Not everyone believes everything they read in the bible either.
Not everyone believes in God or the same God.
And it is well know that people that drink only when thirsty can become seriously dehydrated. Thirst is not reliable.
I do believe that will solve various health problems from fasting. Most of which are related to being overweight.
I have not had any mystical experiences on this fast,heard no voices but hey always try to keep an open mind.
But if you can actually give me proof detoxing exists other than your beliefs it does please give it to me.
Otherwise regardless of if Shelton has fasted two or one million people I have to think that on the water question he was likely mistaken. Now at least he didn't recommend zero water. Feel free if you want to try 20 day fast with no food and water. Keep us posted on how that goes.
Anyway don't want to argue of course this isn't debate forum so apologize.The faster has to decide what he wants to do. He can read the link I posted to Shelton and he can of course listen to any of you. I am not claiming to be an expert. I just know that I drank 8 to 10 glasses of water today and the detox theory holds no water pun intended to me.
- Re: Water question ALB
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This is a reply to # 1,758,456Hmmm Doctor Shelton don't even seem to be a "real doctor"
http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/natural_hygiene.html
He was against a lot of things with his natural ideas that would easily kill a lot of people. Immunization is one of them. The guy sounds a bit out to left field and people died under his care. Read the article.
But again not saying dont' think fasting can be useful for weight loss and some health problems. Just not sure can believe in this detox thing or that it can cure every ill.Call me a skeptical scientist type if you want.
So lets just agree to disagree and leave it at that. If person wants to fast with no supplements, green tea ,drink minimal water that is great their choice but really unless person is taking in calories than to me its still a water fast.Or is this the Dr Shelton forum?- Re: Water question montecristo5216
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This is a reply to # 1,758,461Dear ALB,
That site you cite is very well known to Curezone members. It has been around for years. People at that site are our opponents. This is OK. They have the right to dissent. They also offer a site to people who do not like Curezone. And Curezone, of course, is the right place for people who do not like them.
We live in a Democracy and opposing points of view are welcome, even needed.
I would ask you to offer sources confirming that Dr. Shelton was not a real doctor. I would also ask you to offer scientific evidence with verifiable data, explaining why detox does not exist. I should clarify that we already have proof of the existence of detox. What we need, dear ALB, is proof of its absence. It would help to understand it does not exist- as you, and many others out of Curezone believe.
So far, nobody from that site, cared to prove how wrong we are here in Curezone. They just insult us and offer no scientific explanations of our wrong beliefs.
This is said in a festive tone, no intention to offend you. I believe that most of us, humans, have a tendency to be prejudiced against things that attempt to discredit our long time cherished ideas.
I do not know where you are coming from; but I can tell you I know where I am coming from . I know that I am myself the grandchild of 2 physicians, the daughter of a nurse, and because of that, conversations about science, health, hospitals, and medical treatments are very familiar to me. I ONCE BELIEVED WHAT YOU BELIEVE. But because I have too been very sick, and found relief and health here at Curezone, particularly in this forum of WF, I CHANGED MY MIND. The smart people who prefer the other site could not offer me what I found here.
I am not going to tire you with my life details. Besides, English is not my native language and I know it shows. I could tell you so many things in other language
I only want to ask you to produce real scientific evidence to support your belief we are wrong. That is, if you want to... Showing your indignation, because you believe we are wrong, will never suffice.
By attacking us the way you do it, you show arrogance. I am not telling you this with anger. I say it with sadness.
We welcome every body here with open arms. We are here, and this forum was created by and for people who believe in Water Fasting merits, the reasons for its creation.
You are free to dissent; but you are not free to "grade" our knowledge, unless you can prove you know more and better. You are free to research what we stand for, but you are not free to rapidly jump to conclusions about it without further study. You have been fast at passing judgement.
At the personal level, I can tell you that I don't need others OK to believe what I believe. What I know, I know ...and it does not need Allopathic Medicine approval.
- Re: Water question chirontherainbowbridge
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This is a reply to # 1,758,468MC,
you are the essence of gracious and such a credit to this forum, and to the NH ideals clearly espoused (and available on the soil and health library, for example) for those who want to do the studying...It's all there.
Reading your post, I just remembered, I am the grandchild of an MD. I'd forgotten that. pretty sure my grandfather would agree with all this now, if he were alive to check it out.
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This is a reply to # 1,758,484" MC,
you are the essence of gracious and such a credit to this forum"Oh yes :).
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This is a reply to # 1,758,461
Hmmm Doctor Shelton don't even seem to be a "real doctor"
http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/natural_hygiene.html
It's really funny. Stephen Barret from Quackwatch is on an all out quest to find the quacks when all he really needed was a mirror :). How incredibly ironic!
Many people that could not be cured by modern medicine came to Dr. Shelton as a last resort. Some of these people were already told by their doctors they were not going to live and they were able to be healed through fasting. For others who were already given a death sentence by their MD's, their illnesses were too far advanced even for fasting to help them. Naturally such cases were blamed on Fasting and on Dr. Shelton. Are you so willing to ignore the countless people who die every day seeking help from the pharmaceutical model of modern medicine while focusing on the few who died in a last ditch effort with fasting after modern medicine couldn't help them?
"If person wants to fast with no supplements, green tea ,drink minimal water that is great their choice but really unless person is taking in calories than to me its still a water fast.Or is this the Dr Shelton forum?"
No actually this has become the "weight loss forum" or the "zero calorie diet with artificial sweeteners and over the counter medications" forum, certainly not the "water fasting only" forum that we see in the title... and the immense expertise of the foremost master of fasting the world has ever known has been foolishly cast aside.
- Re: Water question ALB
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This is a reply to # 1,758,470Ok ..they are your oppenents or something. So can't believe their comments. Got it.
As said not an expert on fasting or at least Sheltons fasting. As said to me most of you make it into some mystical thing and really don't see why it is. Don't see why I should run around with no energy almost fainting but can't take green tea to keep me going. Don't even see why can't take diet drinks while fasting or why multivitamins are wrong on a fast. Too many rules for me on this forum. So you are correct not into fasting for God and really I have to prove detox actually exists? Thats about same as proving God exists. Not too doable. These things are matters of faith not science.
So will leave you guys to have your "pure" Water Fasting forum and will only post from now on in the weight loss forum since you are correct. I am mostly fasting for weight loss and health reasons most of which I don't believe are going to be cured by detoxing but by simply losing weight. But hey who knows can't really prove it either way and maybe there is a God...you never know. Just don't think God exists in the physical plane. Maybe in other planes of being.
Getting off the subject again. Will go to the weight loss forum.- Re: Water question chrisb1
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This is a reply to # 1,758,486ALB,
you are always welcome to return from the weightloss forum, but it may have escaped your attention that the title of this forum is: Water-Fast-Only-Support-Forum, and not the "drink diet-soda while fasting forum" or "take your multivitamins while fasting forum".
I do not mean to be facetious.
By your own admission you are not an expert on fasting so just to inform you that if you do consume green-tea or multivitamins, or diet drinks or anything except water while fasting then you will be effectively living from a "lop-sided" diet with the consequences of malnutrition that will occur eventually and harmful to health.
However, on water-only the body will efficiently conserve all of its available nutrients and not enter a state of malnutrition until after an extended period of time.
The lack of strength perceived by some fasters are usually of a disposition to succumb to "autosuggestion": an illusory state of mind that has no bearing on the physiology of fasting proper.
Weakness can be felt but only as a consequence of eliminating stimulants such as coffee or tea and so on.
Part One.................
http://chestofbooks.com/health/natural-cure/The-Hygienic-System-Fasting-and-S...
Part two...............
http://chestofbooks.com/health/natural-cure/The-Hygienic-System-Fasting-and-S...
If your desire is to lose weight then that is good if you are overweight, but I suggest you read these on diet sodas and their adverse health consequences as just TWO examples......................
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2005/06/30/diet-sodas.aspx
http://spotlight.vitals.com/2010/07/dr-joseph-mercola-stresses-artificial-swe...
This forum was begun originally as a fasting for health forum and where this can only be achieved on water-only-according to thirst.
You are always welcome here.
Chrisb1
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This is a reply to # 1,758,486ALB
Looking forward for you to stop commenting in WF forum. Every single post you have made so far is ignorant and lliterate. You have NO CLUE what Water Fasting is about. You spend so much time here writing nonsense ...you should have red more on Water Fasting instead.
You can count as your success whatever you want. Keep it for your weight loss forum or your memoirs.The story of your/your wife experiences dont belong here. Thank you for not posting any more- Re: alb ALB
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This is a reply to # 1,758,553Ok due to your last comment about how I am ignorant I am thought should maybe back up my mouth.
Here is a website on dehydration. You will notice that pretty much every symptom that people complain about on a Water Fast and sometimes juice fast is on this list.click on the individual symptoms for more detail. the head rush one has more on dizzyness,lightheadedness for example.
http://www.symptomsofdehydration.com/
Fatigue,lightheadedness, dizzyness,dark urine, etc all can be scientifically explained by dehydration not by some mythical unproven detox explanation.If you don't believe in dehydration please dry fast for 30 days. I think you will become a believer.
It is one thing to believe in something,it is another to put your head in the sand like an ostrich.
Fasting I am sure has many benefits,possibly even can "detox" and eat up dying cells and cure some illnesses. But really you don't get weak and dizzy from detoxing. If that were true why would I have no problem for 20 days at all then all of sudden get it when dropped down on my water then have it go away almost instantly when rehyrdrated?And same for wife.She was not drinking water and barely any juice. She got dizzy and weak,she upped her fluid intake of juice and water and she was fine same day.Detox doesn't explain it.
SORRY BUT THINK YOU ARE WRONG ON THIS. And so is Shelton.
Thirst is a poor measure of when to drink and many that drink when thirsty will already be into dehyrdation and it dont' take much dehydration to cause these symptoms.Like 10%.Urine is good indictator of dehydration.Darker the more concentrated the more dehydrated.
So believe what you want. But when you don't drink enough water and pass out and possibly crack you head on the cement or something similar dont' say you weren't warned. Simply drinking a bit more water would likley have prevented both the weakness and dizzyness,black outs.
One last thing, Natural healers may have some good points on some things. But they have extremely stupid and dangerous ideas on healing many things that absolutely require proper modern medical care. You don't treat a heart attack with natural healing.You don't not take important immunizations because you think immunization is wrong and unnatural.I don't 100% trust in doctors or modern medicine,fact doctors can be very wrong on diagnosis and there are sometimes good alternative medicine treatments that may work as good or better than conventional ones. But you don't throw out all modern medicine and go back to living like we did million years ago.
One last thing there is not much evidence to show drinking 8 to 10 glasses of water or even bit more hurts anything and some to show it helps some conditions. Gout that I have if you don't drink sufficent water you will be quickly hit with kidney stones or gout attacks both of which are extremely painful conditions. Simply drinking 12 or more glasses of water can usually fix an attack in day or so.
Yes you can die from too much water intake but its a very high amount and happens very occasionally. Its much easier to die from dehydration. And if you don't take in enough water you body will use up critical bodywater stores just like when you don't eat it uses up fat stores when it has no food.How did Sheltons fasters lose like 3 pounds a day of bodyweight when its scientifically impossible to burn up 3 lbs a day unless you maybe weigh 1000 pounds?Yeah not a misprint at 3 lbs day is 10000 calories.Answer there were losing 2 lbs of water weight and 1lb of fat. Amazed more of his patients didn't die but at least he did let them drink when thirsty didn't try to dry fast them for 30 days.
I think some of you need to keep a more open mind. I try to keep an open mind on God,am more agnostic than atheist.Detox while not much hard evidence could exist you can't see air but it does exist.
I obviously think fasting can be beneficial fact think fasting is natural for humans as it isn't natural to eat 3 or 6 times a day obviously. And think fasting can fix several health conditions.
I just think that lots of you have turned Shelton into a divinity and supreme guru and have lost the ability to think for yourselves.But since once you start talking about detox and mystical benefits of fasting then of course it moves into the realm of personal opinion and belief.
Like the artifical sweetener debate. Most arguments against it are internet hype. And the artifical versus natural is not a good reason for anything. Many many "natural' subtances can kill very very quickly. Eat some rhubarb leaves, eat some death cap mushrooms just to name a few.Natural is not always better or safer. Artifical is not always better or safer.
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