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I keep getting hit with waves of anxiety, an waves of sadness. I will try an post some of my results, these were about a month ago though, my problems just got bad a few days ago. I need to know what to do ASAP. I believe i'm allergic to my pill capsules also. I've been taking xanax just to stay in reality, i'm so close to suicide. I cant suffer anymore. I have licorice root in a bag not pills, i dont know if its safe to take or how much...do i make tea? I have nettle/ashwangadha but both pills.
Can I take my xanax? I'm so scared an having out of body experience i'm losing it very fast. I dont know what to do. My feet are freezing too. Now i'm extremely hyper and nervous/anxiety when just before eating i was sad/very tired.
Please help me.
TAP free cortisol rhythm
6-8am: 20 Normal REF: 13-24
11-1pm: 12 Elevated REF 5-10
4-5PM: 2 Depressed REF 3-8
10-mid: 2 Normal REF 1-4
Cortisol load: 36 REF: 23-42
DHEA: 5 Normal REF: 3-10
ISN Insulin
Fasting: <3 doesnt say anything
Non fasting: <3 Depressed
p17-OH Progesterone 43 normal
Total Salivary SIgA: <5 Depressed
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This is a reply to # 1,755,100What you are experiencing is par for the corse with adrenal fatigue... We are all alive. I've been around for a while and Im pretty sure that no one here has died.
Definitely dont take anything new... For a while. Changing things all of the time confuses your body. Your body is desperately trying to find homeostasis. Stick with your B vitamins that you've been taking. If the vit c feels okay, keep doing that. It might be a little much though. Maybe decrease to 2000 mg. Keep doing your minerals and oils. Chill with the adaptogenic herbs.
Go outside. Get away from the computer. Go lay on the ground and look up at the sky and breathe. Lay there until you've calmed down. The most important thing you can do is get a hold of your thoughts. The story that you keep telling yourself about dying is producing alot of cortisol and/or adrenaline, which is contributing to your anxiety. You need a mantra. Mine is, "my body is in the process of healing and will continue to heal until I'm vibrant and healthy.". Repeat this over and over and over in your head until you feel relaxed. It will help. I swear.
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Fasting: <3 doesnt say anything
Non fasting: <3 Depressed
I'm just stabbing in the dark, but does this mean your body doesn't produce insulin? Which would mean you are diabetic? - Re: Saliva results, please help fast... aijian
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This is a reply to # 1,755,100Jboy,
This is serious. Go see a real doctor who will help you. Go see John Parks Trowbridge. This is my advice. It's the best thing you can do. This guy will help you. Believe me. I saw hundreds of doctors and this one will help you. Something is wrong with your health. It can be fixed. It just take time to identify the culprit.
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This is a reply to # 1,755,100JBoy, based on your posting history it sounds like your AF is fairly advanced, but if you don't mind my saying I think you may be trying too much too soon. You may be too decomponsated to keep trying all these different supplements, especially anything with Sugar alcohols (SF syrup) is a huge no-no with AF.
I was making good progress too, and then got sloppy and added raisins to my oatmeal (just raisins!) for 2 weeks, then couldn't figure out why I felt really bad. (I was trembling, nauseous after every meal,super dizzy,really weak, couldn't sleep despite crushing fatigue) Xanax in small amounts was the only thing that pulled me through, it can only help right now, it acts on your gaba receptors to calm you down significantly. it may still be another 24 - 48 hours before your body can flush all that fake Sugar out of your system, then you should feel a little bit better.
One of Dr Lam's recommendations on his website is to really lay off *everything* during a crash (other then the basics like calcium & magnesium) then start small, and go slow. I would stop all supplements including/esp the licorace, and use the xanax to calm your system down, just for a night or two. hands & feet freezing is a sign your sympathetic system has kicked in (means your running on adrenaline)
We're all in the same boat trying to help one another, I hope this helps you out and you feel better soon, saying some prayers for you this evening in the meantime,
Hugs
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Thanks for the advice, i printed out your mantra i'm gonna hang it up. the xanax definitley chilled me out.
I crashed yesterday an had no choice but to eat a Sugar laced granola bar as i was out in the middle of no where about topass out. So my body is probably still dealing with that.I'm getting off all the BS herbs except my vit d/udos oil/lecithin, an cod liver oil. sticking to green greens and my spinach salad. no proteins. everytime i eat proteins I crash.
I dont care what anyone says i'm keeping my diet more alkaline, every time I eat acid forming foods I spiral downward to near death.
When i followed a alkaline diet, skin brushing, rebounding, Epsom Salt baths, my ms symptoms decreased rapidly.- Re: Saliva results, please help fast... Maresydotes
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This is a reply to # 1,755,175I found a product at Wallyworld made by Kashi called TLC Peanut Peanut Butter Chewy Granola Bars, has the lowest sugars I found anywhere (uses chicory root fiber & brown rice syrup to sweeten, both low glycemic) and have never had a problem with them. and they don't taste like card board either :)
Glad to hear the rest of it is working out for you, keep listening to your body and journal if you can, so you can see cause & effect.
I liked Beth's mantra too, and would love to use it. The body has no choice but to follow the mind. The subconscious mind cannot distinguish between imagination and reality after all.
Blessings to you on your journey back to full health!
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Have you tried digestive enzymes to help breakdown your proteins?- Re: Saliva results, please help fast... jboy7185
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This is a reply to # 1,755,186I believe I'm now allergic to the capsules. tomorrow i will try a small ammount of chicken and break open the capsule and take it.
I've been opening all my pills now and taking them in water- Re: Saliva results, please help fast... healthyartist
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Yeah, about sugar, it makes me suicidal. Otherwise, even in the midst of being terribly sick and having to move home to live with my parents, I'm a pretty happy girl. Stay away from anything that is sweetened at all, even "low glycemic" sweatener. On my last birthday my friends made me a cake out of nothing but carrots, cashiews, and agave and it made me feel suicidal. NO MORE Sugar seriously!!!!
I'm glad that you like my mantra. I hope that it helps you. I can't tell you how many times it has completely saved me from sleepless nights of panic. The trick is to repeat it over and over until you are out of the panic.
Good luck friend!!!!
Ps: I think it would be really wise to cut back on the stuff that you mentioned and chill without changing anything for at least two weeks. That way, you will be able to see what your body is doing in some kind of pattern. Lately, I don't change anything rapidly. I take at least a week between changing more than one supp, or even food sometimes, because I wanna know for absolute sure what is causing my symptoms. Keeping a journal every day is also extremely helpful.
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This is a reply to # 1,755,175Your right about that. You have to eat what works for you. Protein seems to be what helps most of us but we are not all the same. Saying prayers for you as well.
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This is a reply to # 1,755,154I agree with HealthyArtist, it's clear you have AF (blood Sugar issues). I went into my doctor's office a few years ago terrified that my heart was beating like mad and feeling weak even though I'd eaten - come to find out (just recently), I had major insulin resistance due to adrenal fatigue.
You WILL get back on track. Stay the hell away from any kind of sugary foods, as they'll only make you feel way worse. I remember drinking alcohol, going to bed, and then waking up thinking I was having a heart attack with cold sweats. Super blood Sugar issues.
At this point, I don't go anywhere without bringing food. I have it stashed in my purse, car, pocket, everywhere. I'd recommend the same for you - and please find a doctor who can treat you now. Self-diagnosing and medicating is only going to make you feel crazy.
I'll keep you in my prayers.
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Why don't you just see a real doctor? I'm all for a healthy organic diet and the natural approach, but you're on here every other day threatening suicide. Get on an antidepressant or stick with your xanax and go in for a battery of tests from a good doctor to find the root cause of your problems. It does no good guessing.
And you won't listen to me, but it's obvious that too extreme a diet and supplements aren't doing you any good at the moment. Almost every time you post about having a panic attack it's right after a wheat grass fast or something like that. Eating a steak and salad, getting a good night's sleep and getting off the computer would probably do more for you than anything right now.
You may just have adrenal fatigue, but to assure you, I have had ALL of your symptoms at some point and the only thing that's been found wrong with me is candida and mold. Most of the anxiety has gone away after taking antifungals. You will find out what's wrong with you, but you need further testing and less guessing.
All of us have opinions but none of us knows what your problem is. Just randomly trying new supplements and fad diets won't do you any good until you know exactly what's wrong with you and how to treat it. - Xanax...? +edit Re: Saliva results, ... unyquity
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jboy7815,
If you've been using Xanax (or any benzodiazepine) for longer than 4-8 weeks, you can be experiencing what is known as 'tolerance withdrawal'...your symptoms are "spot on".
Doctors typically deny this can happen (basically because they don't understand it and can't admit they could be responsible for causing such a thing). But there are hundreds of thousands of people worldwide (and a handful of doctors) that DO know the truth.
In a very quick nutshell, here's basically how it happens. Benzos chemically stimulate our GABA receptors (which are responsible for 'calming everything' throughout our body). Once the GABA receptors have been chemically stimulated (think: electrically shocked into working) by benzodiazepines, their ability to 'calm' is lessened (the more/longer the benzos, the more the ability is lessened).
So we've developed a 'tolerance' to the drug, and in order to achieve a 'normal' level of calmness (throughout any/all system in the body) we must take more benzodizepine to chemically stimulate the GABA receptors. Basically we're in 'withdrawal'...hence the term "tolerance withdrawal" (even though one is still taking the drug, more is needed to produce the same effect because our GABA receptors have become tolerant). Most folks just call it "benzo hell" :(Tolerance withdrawal is most likely to happen when one hasn't "upped their dosage" for a very long time, or when they're trying to cut their dosage...but it can happen at ANY time (especially when Xanax is the benzo being used).
Of all the benzodiazepines marketed, Xanax is the most likely to cause this, because Xanax has the shortest half-life (typically 6-10 hours). So in 6 hours (with some, even less), the last dose is gone, leaving the weakened GABA receptors unable to provide normal 'calming' throughout the body. The first thing a "benzo knowledgeable" physician will do for stabilization, is to switch to a benzo with a longer half life (for example Klonopin 18-50 hour half life, or Valium 20-100 hour half life) and then suggest a VERY SLOW taper and withdrawal). There's info/links below for information one can print off and take to their doctor to get a scriipt for a benzo with a longer half life...if that's what one decides to do).If you think there's ANY possibility this is the situation, there is a great list of rescources online (taken from here: www.thebenzobook.com/) that's I've pasted below.
When you're 'going crazy' and would do ANYTHING to get out of your own body (including suicide), none of the symptoms "add up", no one can tell you what's happening (but it will not stop no matter what you do), and a benzodiazepine has been in the picture for longer than a few weeks...it's very possible that 'tolerance withdrawal' (and or typical side effects) are at the root of it.
There is one site I've found to be extremely helpful (great folks providing fantastic information and support) that isn't on the list below, it is here: benzowithdrawal.com/forum/index Also, The Benzo Book (link above) is FANTASTIC (and you can download a few chapters free).
This site has a complete nutriceutical line and VERY good instructions/support for assisting one through the process of withdrawal The Road Back. How to withdrawal off psychotropic medication.
And if you'd like a quick overview of how benzos have affected others, check out some of the pages of signature-notes on this petition: Benzodiazepine Awareness Network Petition
No matter what you're dealing with, your body DOES have the ability to restore itself and you CAN be yourself again! If it's the Xanax, then the information below is 'where you start' for learning how to stop your suffering (although tapering off and going through the withdrawal process is not a piece of cake, by any means...but it's MUCH easy once you've stabilized). If it's not the Xanax, then at least this info is here for someone else (and you'll know far more than what your doctor or the package insert disclosed about the Xanax you're taking).
Healthiest of blessings,
Unyquity (who is way behind on posts on my forum, so if you want/need more information from me, please post here Natural Healing & Herbal Solutions with Unyquity)
Resources:
The problem of benzo withdrawal is greatly increased because of the lack of understanding about it; the crucial component of understanding is information.
The single best benzo resource, on-line or off-, is Ray Nimmo’s site, benzo.org.uk. Virtually everything that is known on the subject of benzodiazepine dependency and recovery may be found there:
http://www.benzo.org.uk
The full text of Professor C. Heather Ashton’s seminal book, Benzodiazepines: How They Work and How To Withdraw, is available at benzo.org.uk, where it can be read on-line, downloaded, or printed from computer:
http://www.benzo.org.uk/manual/
Or, a bound hard copy may be purchased for a $15 donation:
http://www.benzo.org.uk/bzmono.htm
Prof. Ashton's paper, Reasons for a Diazepam (Valium) Taper, of great value in convincing doctors of the necessity of a slow taper, may be found at:
http://www.benzo.org.uk/ashvtaper.htm
Benzo mailing list and bulletin board groups on the Internet:
http://www.benzoisland.org
http://www.benzobuddies.org
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/benzo
http://www.bcnc.org.uk
Geraldine Burns' excellent site for learning non-drug methods of dealing with anxiety:
http://www.allaboutanxiety.net
On-line games, helpful for exercising the mind to overcome cognitive difficulties:
http://www.toadgames.com
http://www.jumble.com/play.html
Articles by Peter R. Breggin, M.D.:
Behavioral Effects of Benzodiazepines
Withdrawal Reactions from Benzodiazepines
Brain-Disabling Effects of Benzodiazepines
Excerpts from Toxic Psychiatry
Benzo resources on-line:
BenzoBusters
BCNC in the U.K.
TRANX in Australia
Benzo information
The Benzo Awareness Network
Killer Pill Research
Drug Abuse Help
Tranquilzers in the News
Addiction by Prescription
Benzodiazepine Withdrawal Syndrome
Protracted Benzodiazepine Withdrawal
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Very good advice
I would keep taking the benzo for now to stabilize stick to a constant dose that work for you and start basic adrenal support.
seems like your symptoms are related to your benzo but I would not play with your dosage right now. 2 last post had really good advice. Benzos are really strong they do not have a very high toxicity in your body but they are addictive has hell.- Re: Xanax...? +edit Re: Saliva resul... unyquity
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This is a reply to # 1,755,294I agree...if Xanax is the cause, then you definitely want to stabilize asap. You'll feel SO much better SO much quicker.
Here's something most need to "look out for"...
Once one has developed a tolerance, they're already in a deficit situation (they need higher dosages to stabilize) - so first they need to take enough to remove the symptoms (which is typically more than prescribed).
And then they need to take enough to prevent the return of symptoms (which, of course, again is more than prescribed...or at least more than one's been taking).
So, the 'light goes on' (it's the Xanax) and they go to their doctor asking for a dosage increase or switch to one with a longer half life, and the doc pegs them as a "drug seeker" or abuser and won't up the dosage. That can cause a nightmarish situation.
From all I've read & experienced (through those I've helped), with the short half-life of Xanax it's tough (near impossible) to "stabilize" on Xanax because the plasma level changes radically every few hours. This is especially true when one is heavily symptomatic and already in a deep deficit.
So, be SURE to play your cards right. If you've got refills, get them filled so if your doc isn't 'benzo aware' (and won't up your scriipt or switch you to one with a longer half life), you'll have the time/drugs you require to find a physician that will.
Blessings,
Uny
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This is a reply to # 1,755,100TAP free cortisol rhythm
6-8am: 20 Normal REF: 13-24
11-1pm: 12 Elevated REF 5-10
4-5PM: 2 Depressed REF 3-8
10-mid: 2 Normal REF 1-4
Cortisol load: 36 REF: 23-42
DHEA: 5 Normal REF: 3-10
ISN Insulin
Fasting: <3 doesnt say anything
Non fasting: <3 Depressed
p17-OH Progesterone 43 normal
Total Salivary SIgA: <5 Depressed
Gliadin Ab, SIgA: 10 Negative
According to your saliva test, you've got low cortisol in am (should be 24), elivated Noon (should be 'bout 8) and low evening (should be 'bout 5) and highish midnight (should be at bottom or 1).
The low cortisol is attributing to the anxiety. If your licorice root is cut and sifted (not powdered), try with 1 tsp of it in hot water (keep the licorice root in cup and don't strain) and make a tea in the morning and evening 'round dinner time, you might want to try 2 tsp if 1 tsp isn't helping much. Get some hawthorne berry capsules and take these when you get the heart palps.
Your DHEA should be higher, try some pregnenolone. It has done wonders for me, but I'm also dealing with menopause. I'm taking 200-300mg daily. You might want to start with 50 and maybe work your way up. If you start to get side effects, then drop back.
http://www.raysahelian.com/pregnenolone.html
I don't know if the xanax is contributing to the anxiety or not. Try the hawthorne and someone mentioned taurine as helpful. I can't offer any advice about the xanex or whether you should wean off or not. I'm currently taking 50mg elivil to help with sleep (along with melatonin), so in my case ssri's have been helpful.
I also strongly suspect that you are hypothyroid (cold extremities). Getting started on some Iodine + selenium + tryosine would be helpful. Tryosine is good for the adrenals too. Swanson Vitamins sells 2oz of 2% Lugols for about $11.
http://www.swansonvitamins.com/LGS001/ItemDetail?n=0
You can try 1 drop of that in water daily and see how you do. Then try 1 drop twice a day. With your adrenals in the shape that they are in, start low and slow with the iodine. The Iodine supplementation board here on curezone is a really good resource. Also look at the info here too:
http://www.breastcancerchoices.org/iodineindex.html
If you start experiencing detox symptoms, drink about 8-10oz of water with 1/4 tsp of unprocessed salt. The salt will help flush out the bromides and relieve alot of detox symptoms.
Adding NAC (N-acetyl-cysteine) 600-1200mg 1-2 times a day will support the kidneys and liver in detoxing as well as help the adrenals.
http://www.suite101.com/content/the-thyroid-and-adrenal-connection-a17701
You may also find that isocort + licorice may be helpful for your low cortisol times. It is all really individual and you'll have to try it to see if it helps.
Finally, remember to STRESS DOSE (isocort would be easier for this) when you are under extra stress -- like an illness, injury or fight with family. This is really important to support the already stressed adrenals during extra stress.
Rescue remedy might also prove helpful for you with the anxiety. It was specifically designed for anxiety and stress. You can get it in liquid form and in lozenge form. I dole out a Rescue remedy lozenge to my daughter (she's 13) when she gets over emotional (hormones) due to extra stress with school, lack of sleep or pms. It really helps her regain control and calm down.
http://www.suite101.com/content/the-thyroid-and-adrenal-connection-a17701
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This is a reply to # 1,755,311Iolite,
I think that jboy would really benefit from slowing down on trying new things right now. If you read his history from recent posts he has tried many completely different approaches to healing in a very short period of time. I think it would be quite dangerous for him to pick up a bunch of new supplements, like the ones that you are suggesting, and jump into taking those. Some of them may be appropriate at some point and I think it would be worth his while to save your post for future refference, but I really want to emphasize for him the importance if letting the body find equilibrium. I have a feeling, based on his posting history, that his hormones and cortisol are not currently following a pattern. I bet you that if he where to test his cortisol on another day that it would look entirely different from the one that he has posted.
Also, he does have one symptom of low thyroid that we know of, but I think it's secondary to his AF and other symptoms. IMO, I think it's important that he focus on what is primary.
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This is a reply to # 1,755,100Have you had that checked lately? I'm in a panic most of the day and it's partly because my thyroid is messed up.
Just a thought... - Aminos, amigo! cora
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This is a reply to # 1,755,100Glycine, taurine (amino), and GABA
http://www.healthrecovery.com/HRC_2006/RepairFormulas.htm
Glycine:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glycine
http://www.iherb.com/Search?kw=glycine
I prefer:
http://www.iherb.com/Country-Life-Glycine-500-mg-100-Tablets/1672
Taurine
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taurine
http://www.iherb.com/Search?kw=taurine
I prefer:
http://www.iherb.com/Now-Foods-Taurine-Powder-8-oz-227-g/7425?at=0
GABA
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamma-Aminobutyric_acid
http://www.iherb.com/Search?kw=gaba
I prefer:
http://www.iherb.com/Source-Naturals-Gaba-750-mg-180-Tablets/1191?at=0
But my FAV is:
http://www.iherb.com/Vitol-100-Egg-Protein-12-oz-340-g/9974?at=0
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