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This forum is more active than I thought... So perhaps this message will benefit someone.
When I first got into improving my health I read a bit about water fasting, and my reading material was poor.
So guess what the result was: a Water Fast on tap water!
And I was running far too much each day, so it lasted for 3 days.
I enjoyed these fasts a bit, even though they were the most difficult fasts I have done (but I didn't know about juice fasting at the time).
And to me it seems like most people on this forum is also lacking reading resources.
Damn, you guys are getting fooled and brainwashed by these people writing things on the net.
What about some common sense?
You must listen to the subtle messages of your body, and eat a natural diet of raw organic or even wild foods, and super-foods. Eat like our incredibly strong and healthy "relatives" (chimpanzees).
And start giving your body proper resting, and stop worrying about everything.
Only then should you consider water fasting. And never should you fast on only tap water or filtered water.
Spring water or clean water from a mountain creek is real water.
I myself can't wait until spring and summer where I can live on spring water and wild herbs and plants!
And flooding my body with mineral-rich plants, grass, roots and powerful phytonutrients, and oxygen from the wonderful optimal air in a deep forest. And constantly being in contact with the energy of the earth through my bare feet, and through my whole body while bathing in cold creeks or lakes. While all you can hear and smell is the forest.
And the sun! The sun warming your skin, pulling out the blood into the skin, and more efficient detox through sweating. And help us produce vitamin D.
It's beautiful: Nature has everything we need to regain health and vitality.
That is what's important! Not depriving your body of nutrients get it into an inefficient detox, where toxins are just being recycled, and you feel more and more sick.
When you learn to live with and love nature, efficient detox will simply be joyous.
Give your body some rest and peace by consuming more green vegetables to alkalize it, and remove the stress-causing acids.
And if you can't get Water Fasting out of your head: try to get some water that actually does your body some good.
At least it should be reverse osmosis water.
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This is a reply to # 1,596,041dontstopdreaming,
Just to clarify things for you.
Juice-fasting is actually juice-feasting, as you are still living from external sources of nutrition.
Water-only fasting is living from internal food reserves and has been practiced as a health-recovery measure since the time of Hippocrates and Paracelsus.
We use very reliable reading resources from experienced and qualified personnel concerning this subject.
There is no "brainwashing" by anyone, just factual information.
I agree with you: we should listen to the subtle and not-so-subtle messages of the body in determining our health-path and recovery.
The diet and lifestyle you have mentioned are excellent, but no diet (regardless of its quality) is of any use in the absence of little to no appetite, and where the body is unable to digest or assimilate food.
"Give your body proper resting".
A water-only fast is in fact a physiological rest, and whose worried, and about what exactly?
No one to my knowledge has recommended tap-water on a fast, but only the best purest water available: distilled.
Spring water btw is full of inorganic minerals, which only serves to clog the body and especially the arteries.
"Nature has everything we need to regain health and vitality".
Indeed: fasting is Natures own remedy when called for by the body in both chronic and acute disease.
"Not depriving your body of nutrients get it into an inefficient detox, where toxins are just being recycled, and you feel more and more sick".
I'm afraid your knowledge of the fast is rather limited.
Fasting is the most efficient and quickest method of detoxing the body, and where toxins are not "recycled" but eliminated via the kidneys, Lungs, Liver, and skin, or burnt as fuel in a process known as autolysis.
Reverse-osmosis water is good but not ideal, as pure H2O comes in the form of distilled water, and recommended by most qualified authorities on the fast.
This is after all the type of water you consume from both fruits and vegetables.
Chrisb1.
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This is a reply to # 1,596,139Isn't rain water also distilled?
Not that I would drink it in this day and age with all the pollution.... however I thought it was also distilled.- Re: Water Quality... Mighty.Sun.Tzu
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This is a reply to # 1,596,312The distillation process emulates the process of ocean water evaporating, collecting in clouds then coming down as rain. The problem with distilled water known as rain is that it travels through the polluted atmosphere, so it will contain more contaminants than water from a distiller.
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- Re: Water Quality... dontstopdreaming
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This is a reply to # 1,596,139"Juice-fasting is actually juice-feasting, as you are still living from external sources of nutrition."
Yes, though we usually still refer to it by fasting. And some people consider excluding grains and meat to be a kind of fast too.
"no diet (regardless of its quality) is of any use in the absence of little to no appetite, and where the body is unable to digest or assimilate food."
Yes, if people could only do a Water Fast then, it would be ideal.
But so many people here seem to think Water Fasting to be the best method to lose weight or to detoxify the body.
But there are easier ways, and I would claim that there are more efficient ways.
And what if your natural detoxification system is in poor shape? What to do, if your liver and colon is clogged?
I very much believe in the power of certain kinds of fibre to bind to the toxins.
"A water-only fast is in fact a physiological rest, and whose worried, and about what exactly?"
I mean generally worried and tense. The values of the masses ensure that they keep straining and stressing to achieve "happiness".
I also think that Water Fasting gives the body a great rest, where all the stimulants from food is gone.
But the colon is the main-channel for eliminating toxins, not just the indigestible materials.
Many people, including me in the past, would benefit a lot by just eliminating all the damn cooked food! And all grain and meat.
Much more so than starving themselves by water-fasting, and then eating junk-food again.
I mean, people hope that they will become blessed or something because they strain themselves and will themselves to do things.
But all they get is a temporary high, and then a crash.
In reality it's very simple and effortless, and naturally super-healthy and strong animals don't strain themselves at all, they just eat what they know is good to them directly from the source.
But no, people continue to strain and punish themselves...
"No one to my knowledge has recommended tap-water on a fast, but only the best purest water available: distilled."
Ok, but no one recommended me to drink higher quality water.
So you don't believe that the broad spectrum of minerals in spring water is beneficial?
It is natural after all, and if it's hard to decide: I tend to go with what is the most natural and of the highest quality. It has been filtered by nature just fine, and got some minerals dissolved in it. And it has got some H2O2 (Hydrogen-Peroxid) to boot.
And minerals are essential to all the processes in the body.
Though I still believe in distilled water. And I will try to build a sun still if I can just find the materials...
Clogging the arteries? Has anyone proved the cause-effect relation of that?
It would be interesting to see how distilled water and spring water compares on a water fast.
So all I'm saying is most of the people here aren't truly in need of a water fast. All they need is more high quality foods.
That is the permanent solution that truly works at all times.
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Whatever your definition of fasting is, then that is fine, but just to remind you, this is the water-only-fasting forum.
I agree with you that water-only-fasting is not an ideal way to lose weight as the metabolic rate is lowered but it is most certainly the quickest and most efficient way to detoxify.
If the natural detoxification organs are "in poor shape" then all the more reason for a fast as this will help them to heal and not just detoxify themselves.
A clogged Liver and colon are cleansed just as surely as any other organs are.....
http://www.soilandhealth.org/02/0201hyglibcat/020127shelton.III/020127.ch8.htm
http://www.soilandhealth.org/02/0201hyglibcat/020127shelton.III/020127.ch15.htm
http://www.soilandhealth.org/02/0201hyglibcat/020127shelton.III/020127.ch13.htm
"But the colon is the main-channel for eliminating toxins, not just the indigestible materials".
http://www.soilandhealth.org/02/0201hyglibcat/020127shelton.III/020127.ch13.htm
"Much more so than starving themselves by water-fasting, and then eating junk-food again".
Fasting is not starving..............
http://www.soilandhealth.org/02/0201hyglibcat/020127shelton.III/020127.ch6.htm
Fasting is not a strain but a cleansing, healing, enlightening and spiritually rewarding experience.
With regard to Spring water, inorganic minerals and clogging the arteries..........
by Dr. Ron Kennedy, MD from Santa Rosa, CA.
//www.curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=1345688#i
"most of the people here aren't truly in need of a water fast. All they need is more high quality foods.
That is the permanent solution that truly works at all times".
You could well be right dontstopdreaming.
Only the poster knows the real reasons for their fasting, but if someone comes here to lose weight and detoxify, I for one will encourage them to use this as a new beginning for a cleaner, healthier and more rewarding way of life thereafter.
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This is a reply to # 1,596,873That are some good resources you have provided me with!
Especially about the distilled water, and inorganic minerals.
"Fasting is not a strain but a cleansing, healing, enlightening and spiritually rewarding experience."
I wish I could be for everyone!
But some people who Water Fast puke right off the first day just by not eating breakfast, hehe.
"Fasting is not starving..."
:)
Yes, that's the paradox, huh?
But you take my point a bit out of it's context here.
I just intended to say that in many cases it is. And that is my current belief.
"but it is most certainly the quickest and most efficient way to detoxify."
I say that in most cases you have to prepare your body with juice fasting, and REAL food, and in some cases medicinal herbs for specific conditions.
I'm not saying you shouldn't fast. I'm saying that you should consider to change your diet to a toxin-free raw diet before anything, for improving health.
I will now look into the inorganic mineral problem...- Re: Water Quality... chrisb1
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"But some people who Water Fast puke right off the first day just by not eating breakfast, hehe".
It is true that many people who water-fast "puke" from the first day, but it is well-known within Fasting literature that the greater the reaction from detox the greater the need for the fast.
"I say that in most cases you have to prepare your body with juice fasting, and REAL food, and in some cases medicinal herbs for specific conditions".
The above depends on the need or otherwise for urgency and the reasons why the fast is recommended. It could be a life-saving undertaking as in my own case.
We should all try to understand that the fast is only a catalyst in achieving the body's objectives of optimal health. The body will do this whether we are eating or fasting, but the fast is extremely efficient in overcoming years of physiological abuse from dietetic errors, and a lifestyle that supports building disease.
If you have the luxury of time on your side, then lifestyle changes in diet and exercise, coupled with fresh air and plentiful rest and sleep, will sometimes perform miracles over time, but it should be born in mind that only the body will heal itself and where fasting greatly accelerates that biological process.
An organic raw diet is ideal (in my opinion), but only for those who are able to digest their food efficiently and have the full digestive powers of the body to hand.
This is not always the case: the fast then becomes essential where digestion/assimilation is impaired, either thru enervation or acute disease, and where it will enable full recovery of these powers, in the pursuit of wellness.
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This is a reply to # 1,597,300I agree with all you said, but I cannot agree with the belief-system that underlies them.
I would like to think at least in my own case, that the Water Fasting between meals and at night is enough.
If you eat two times a day and perhaps a juice-meal, the body gets an incredible amount of time in-between meals to detox and heal (if you allow it to).
But then what's important is that you can assimilate the food quickly. And that the food is pure and natural (is as close to it's natural form as possible, and has not been exposed to a lot of "cides" (borrowing your word)).
But what I am questioning is this focus on Water Fasting by itself as the solution.
It's like an "all or nothing" attitude...
And I think that fasting on green juices and some fruit juices for supporting the actual fasting time between meals, is even better than water alone.
But I don't have the experience to compare them yet. As I have at best fasted on only filtered water.
And at best only fasted on blended green drinks with mostly fruit juices.
And I would like to use certain herbs to support healing and detoxification.
So I say that one should first look into changing ones usual diet, in order to allow for detoxification every day.
I mean, just changing ones diet from cooked to raw can be extremely challenging for many people.
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So it is really better to drink pure water on a water fast?
And some minerals are even useful in their free form, like ionic silver.
But then there may be damaging free minerals in spring water too.
But if we look upon all free minerals as damaging, and that pure water don't bind to excessive amounts of nutrients. Then we can safely assume that it is the best damn water we can get!
Better to be consuming the most pure, right?
Now I will just look for studies that show the relation between deficiency in minerals and drinking pure water. If there are any...
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"But so many people here seem to think water fasting to be the best method to lose weight or to detoxify the body."
As Chris mentioned, fasting is indeed the best method to detoxify the body. As to getting weight under control, fasting really is only supplemental to the more essential element which is healthy diet and exercise as the best fat loss combination. Fasting often can re-establish our desires for healthy foods, enabling us to more successfully embark upon a nutritious lifestyle.
"Much more so than starving themselves by water-fasting, and then eating junk-food again."Chris covered your false point which equates fasting to starving. As to the next point, why do you believe that fasting and eating junk food afterwards go hand in hand? They do not and this unhealthy path is certainly not what is taught here. Fasting followed by extremely nutritious eating is. Have you actually read through this forum at all?
"I mean, people hope that they will become blessed or something because they strain themselves and will themselves to do things.
But all they get is a temporary high, and then a crash."Fasting is a rest from the strain. I would say it is more like encountering a great blessing with amazing benefits that continue to grow with nutritious eating and exercise to follow.
"Ok, but no one recommended me to drink higher quality water."Let's see your post where you asked about this. I am amazed because the recommendation of distilled water especially while fasting is widespread throughout this forum.
"So you don't believe that the broad spectrum of minerals in spring water is beneficial?"The link Chris provided explains this better than anything i have ever seen on the subject. Inorganic (unassimilable) minerals in water are worse than worthless... they are harmful.
"So all I'm saying is most of the people here aren't truly in need of a water fast. All they need is more high quality foods."
How are you to know who is in need of a water fast? And does it really have to be only one or the other? I strongly believe that the two work best in tandem. A periodic fast cleanses and heals in a way that can never occur while eating and helps the body to better assimilate nutrients ... and nutritious eating benefits us greatly for all of the weeks or months in between.
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"Let's see your post where you asked about this."
I never did :)
It was four years ago, and I had just read about Water Fasting somewhere. I'm sure it was a pretty reliable source, but perhaps it was from a source not designed to cover Water Fasting fully.
"Fasting often can re-establish our desires for healthy foods"
"Fasting frequently", or as in "fasting in most cases can"?
In any case, I'm also of that opinion.
And more people should use it for starting a more healthy life thereafter.
But there are so many who just jump into it and fail.
And that is what is the real pity.
"They do not and this unhealthy path is certainly not what is taught here. Fasting followed by extremely nutritious eating is. Have you actually read through this forum at all?"
"taught here"? where is here? really...
I have been reading this forum on and off, and seen many peoples blogs, and I have encountered many who are doing it for the wrong reason.
Why am I wrong in suggesting that everyone first look into their diet, and eat a raw, natural, organic plant-based diet?
I think you are taking offence because I "attack" your precious water fasting...
And I am not attacking Water Fasting itself. So there's the decisive difference.
"How are you to know who is in need of a water fast?"
My advice was directed at every single one here. It was intended that you either truly question it and roll it around in your mind, or you presume to know what's best for you already.
I myself was never assuming that I could truly change any ones mind that directly.
So my answer to your question is that I never assumed to know who is in need of it. I wouldn't take such responsibility.
The purpose of my message was to make people question things, and look more into their lifestyle outside of a fast.
And NOT to generally question water fasting.
You refer to "nutritious eating" a few times, and I don't find that standard to be anywhere near high enough.
"nutritious eating" is pretty much a subjective standard.
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This is a reply to # 1,597,087dontstopdreaming,
love the nose.......although I can't say the same about the glasses.
You are quite right...............
"And more people should use it (fasting) for starting a more healthy life thereafter".
But this comment is only partially true.......
"But there are so many who just jump into it and fail. And that is what is the real pity".
"They do not, and this unhealthy path is certainly not what is taught here. Fasting followed by extremely nutritious eating is. Have you actually read through this forum at all?"
You should try to understand that almost everyone here is attempting to carry out a process that is not generally recognised or accepted and akin with starvation to the general populace, despite its therapeutic history.
Each individual who attempts a fast here realises that this is only one of very few venues that can provide an avenue of support and encouragement, and probably against a tide of opinion in opposition at home and within their own family.
Under these circumstances is it really very surprising that there are failures in original goals?
But you are entirely wrong concerning what is actually taught here: the benefits of water-only-fasting and where each question is painstakingly answered by those who have the experience and knowledge of its process for the benefit of the questioner.
Perhaps you would like to explain what you actually mean when members fast here for "the wrong reasons"?
"How are you to know who is in need of a water fast?"
Just about everyone, as their endogenous and exogenous toxins build with the passage of time requiring a good "clean-out" in preventing disease.
"The purpose of my message was to make people question things, and look more into their lifestyle outside of a fast. And NOT to generally question water fasting".
I think you are right on this score because there can be too much emphasis on, or preoccupation with water-only fasting, instead of using it as a tool for a healthier life thereafter.
But, in case we forget, this is actually the "Water-Fast-Only-Support-forum, (not the plant-based-eating forum) and where people will come here for advice and of course support in allowing fasting to be a stepping-stone to a healthier life.
"Nutritious eating" I think was a generalisation for a low-calorie nutrient-dense diet that is mainly plant-based.
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