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The leg problem I thought was circulation-related had been getting worse and worse since last September. I ended up seeing Brownstein for more testing when an ultrasound of my veins and arteries didn't show anything major (spider veins and what I do think are the beginnings of some varicrose veins), and none of that explained the level of severity of the symptoms. By this time I'd been having several long episodes every day of major cramping and even the usual elevation and heat wasn't helping much. I could barely get through a grocery store, if I could even go out.
Just got my results on tue, and turns out I'm really low on potassium, magnesium, sodium, Vit-D, and I think one other thing... despite a ridiculously healthy Diet and supplementing with food-based stuff in addition to a mag supplement because I knew I was probably low. Calcium levels according to the blood tests, anyway, were fine.
I still haven't done a fast, I was going to do a juice fast the first week of March, but with my electrolyte balance being this off, I'm not sure it's the right time. I've been doing bowel cleansing, otherwise, and actually just got back on the Iodine after a hiatus of 3-4 months since my appendix blowout last November. I have to admit I'm still on the fence because while it's likely a coincidence, this cascade of health issues started after beginning iodine. You know how it is - you get the flu the same night you eat a caeser salad and after the salad comes back up, it's hard to trust anchovy and egg dressing again...Dr. B convinced me to get back on it, and since it seems like my thyroid is still whacked and he's had such a long list of success stories with ioidine, I should.
I also saw a homeopath about a month ago with one of those bio-energetic testing machines, and I gotta say I think the machine was right on target in terms of diagnosis, but I'm not sure the remedies he gave me are doing anything. It's definitely poor absorption in my gut as the reason I'm so deficient, and I started taking, on Brownstein's recommendation, "C-potassium bicarb poweder." Also transdermal magnesium with that really burning/itchy topical magnesium oil, but while uncomfortable, I'm already noticing a difference. Still heavy feeling legs that ache and swell a bit, but less cramping. It seems like I need really easily absorbed things and stuff through the skin rather than my gut.
So this potassium bicarb powder was pretty expensive, 30 bucks from a compounding pharmacy for a 2 x 2 inch jar. Does anyone know whether the stuff I've found on Amazon, etc. called potassium bicarbonate is the same thing? It's like 10 bucks for a whole pound. I would imagine there are different grades.
I definitely still have a blood pooling issue, or venous insufficiency or something, and the vein guy recommended possibly one more test to definitely rule out a deep vein problem, but if the potassium & mag. improve things enough, I will probably just try the compression stockings he suggested, which seem so counter-intuitive, but the knee high ones do seem to help for a couple hours, until I can't stand them anymore and have to rip them off. I'm pretty sure I need the ones that go all the way up. Maybe good for the veins, but not the lymph?
I'm still doing cayenne, hawthorn, gingko, and trying to invert as much as possible. Right now most exercise sets off cramping, but I'm hoping it will improve soon. I really am not ready for compression stockings at 42, especially in the summer!
What a crazy 6 months. I've really gone to my dark place on more than one occasion since it got so disabling. Really gave me a new perspective on what many people deal with who are much worse off, and permanently worse off. I saw this TV show a couple months ago where they interviewed a few people who had died and come back. One guy said going back into his body felt like being pushed through a sieve and shoved into a mayonnaise jar, after the expansiveness of where he'd just been. :) I sometimes have that confused, "WTF" feeling in my body, like part of me knows this is a prison of sorts. I guess my real job is to figure out the reason I chose it, or landed in it, and make the most of it.
Well, sorry for the rant. If anyone's got any other suggestions, I'm all ears.
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- Re: Potassium Bicarb, Deficiencies, ... Iolite
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MoreThis is a reply to # 1,576,059Anja...
A few things that popped up in my head.
1) dilute the mag oil a little bit more if it burns, or put some in the tub and soak in it.
2) NOW sells potassium chloride in powder form, and it's cheap. There are a couple of folks on Stephanie Buist's Iodine board in yahoo using potassium chloride as their salt loading mix (they're deficient in potassium too), since it's the chloride that pulls out the bromides according to Brownstein. The potassium chloride can seriously help boost your potassium levels.
3) That dark place you speak of, I know what you're talking about! But, you've got some stellar folks in your corner! Dr. B., I wish he was my doc! Trapper and wombat...have got your back!
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This is a reply to # 1,576,070I'd be careful with the potassium chloride if she suspects circulation problems, naturalnews say "Chloride also constricts blood vessels, and narrows blood vessels reduce circulation" http://www.naturalnews.com/Report_acid_alkaline_pH_2.html
I have also experimented with potassium chloride a fair bit for the last 6 months, both as a bromide flush and also to increase my potassium intake, my experience seems to back up what naturalnews say as if i take too much it can give me pins and needles quite bad and also I seem to get more cramps where normally I don't suffer from them.
- Re: Potassium Bicarb, Deficiencies, ... Anja
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This is a reply to # 1,576,077hm, interesting. Good to know, thanks. I'm assuming this is temporary, and he's checking my bloodwork again with about 2 weeks of being on it. I would imagine it's tricky bringing balance with this stuff. I mean, it shouldn't be, and I always try to get nutrients from natural sources, but that approach wasn't working for me, I assume because I still have a lot of healing to do with my gut. I think between this and hormonal changes, I'm just going to have to be monitored a little more closely so I can keep all my levels where they're supposed to be.
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This is a reply to # 1,576,070Can I buy potassium chloride from a lab supply website that sells it? Is it safe for human consumption? It says it's 99% pure.
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This is a reply to # 1,576,059Great to hear from you again Anja; not so happy to hear about your struggle, but it seems as if you are on track again.
I have had a few out of body experiences; and can definitely relate to the last section. Especially the "shoved into a mayonnaise jar" feeling.
Magnesium is the cramping remedy; what is the problem with magnesium is to get the right type, to assimilate magnesium is not easy if you are hypo T (=low digestion)or if you have other digestion problems.
Magnesium chloride (mag oil)is very effective; I have used it on my youngest son a few times. But it stings a bit on your skin. And it is important that one take these supplements without calcium.
Glad you are back on iodine; I dont believe Iodine is the reason you got ill, but it may have amplified the deficiencies you have.
Hang in there; I used 20 years to find my candida cure; I am quite sure you will manage in much shorter time.- Magnesium, cramping UserX
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This is a reply to # 1,576,071"Magnesium is the cramping remedy"
Thanks for this info, as I said in my other reply to lolite, when i take potassium chloride i sometimes get cramps. I either let my magnesium supplementation slip or the potassium was throwing my magnesium balance off somehow. Either way, thanks - Re: Potassium Bicarb, Deficiencies, ... Anja
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This is a reply to # 1,576,071I've probably read it somewhere on curezone before, but what was the basis of your candida cure? I am still imbalanced, and that homeopathic bio-energetic testing I had showed a lot of mucus in the small bowel with microscopic parasites and candida, with the large intestine also involved. No big surprise. I remembered the other deficiency was iron, and all those things are absorbed in the small bowel, I think.- Re: Potassium Bicarb, Deficiencies, ... Ginagirl
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This is a reply to # 1,576,138"that homeopathic bio-energetic testing I had showed a lot of mucus in the small bowel with microscopic parasites and candida, with the large intestine also involved "
If this is the case; you are pretty much in my field; I had candida / fungus all over; the docs could not help me. I was also very low in iron.
My cure was a lot of boron (strong anti fungal) + Iodine in addition of all the companions like selenium, salt, magnesium etc.
I believe that in the bottom of all this was hypo T and a low adrenal function.
My low iron was helped greatly with vit E when I was pregnant; in addition to vit c. A acupuncturist learned me this trick; vit c helps with the uptake, vit E helps with its storage. Vit E also helps with cramping.
If you are low in sodium, hardly any of the above will help; I start and end my day with water and salt.
- Re: Potassium Bicarb, Deficiencies, ... Anja
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This is a reply to # 1,576,151thank you! It does sound similar to my stuff. I was really surprised about the low sodium because it felt sort unnatural to eat more salt than I already was, and when I added it, it seemed to worsen the cramping (probably because my mag and potassium were out of balance and I didn't know it).
This feels like a really multifaceted issue, and while the cramping is starting to improve, I've still got a heavy, numb feeling in my legs that goes up to my butt or groin sometimes, and I'm starting to suspect something neurologic, too. Maybe just nerve damage from so much sitting for work, in the wrong chairs. Or maybe the bad bowel is at the root of the whole thing. The large mass that they thought was a degenerating fibroid when my appendix was CT'd, running to the bathroom to pee because I can't hold it, maybe general pelvic congestion pressing on nerves, veins/arteries. I suspect my main bowel issue now is flora imbalance vs. a lot of accumulated junk, but don't know for sure.
It's so frustrating. I"ll ask Dr. B about the boron & stuff. My next thing is to see my chiro again and see if he thinks i've got nerve impingement, then a visit to my gyno with ultrasound of the fibroid and probably still cystic ovaries. I'd like to just do a bunch of herbal stuff, but at this late stage, I feel like I need some professional guidance with more definitive testing, since I'm almost at the point where I could lose my job if I don't start getting better soon.
How much salt do you take? Dr. B suggested adding about a tsp. and a half to my usual routine.- Re: Potassium Bicarb, Deficiencies, ... Ginagirl
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This is a reply to # 1,576,293"How much salt do you take? Dr. B suggested adding about a tsp. and a half to my usual routine."
This is a good suggestion IMO; I am close to this myself, with minimum of 2 liters of water a day.
I believe that when you have balanced the electrolytes you will see the picture much clearer; just now everything seems muddy, right ?
I do some herbs; and one I can recommend is pau d arco; as it is anti fungal, anti viral and anti cancer + can improve circulation and promote digestion.
My digestion is helped by high iodine, high vit C and B + a little bitter before or after meals (type angostura) and enzyme supplements, as this is typically low if you are hypo T.
http://www.rain-tree.com/paudarco.htm
http://www.cancer.org/docroot/ETO/content/ETO_5_3X_Pau_DArco.asp
Pau d'arco is promoted as a cure for dozens of illnesses and medical conditions, including arthritis, ulcers, diabetes, and cancer. Proponents also claim that, when taken internally, pau d'arco relieves infections, reduces inflammation, promotes digestion, strengthens the immune system, flushes toxins from the body, and protects against cardiovascular disease and high blood pressure. Proponents also use it to treat lupus, osteomyelitis, Parkinson's disease, psoriasis, and to relieve pain. Some use the boiled bark externally as a poultice or use the strained liquid as a wash to treat skin inflammations, fungal infections, hemorrhoids, eczema, and wounds- Re: Potassium Bicarb, Deficiencies, ... Anja
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This is a reply to # 1,576,461groovy, thank you. I used to drink pau d'arco tea, but I probably wasn't doing enough of the other things to make a real difference. I'll have to get some more, since that's one of the easier ones to make.
Recently I've been gravitating away from anything not in food form, plant form, etc., trying to avoid isolated nutrients, but I'm thinking about doing some systemic enzymes again - at the very least hoping to dissolve what's probably a large fibroid. I read in the natural healing forum about vitamin C throwing off copper balance or something, what do you think about that? There is so much conflicting information out there, it gets really confusing.
What do you think about fasting with electrolyte imbalance? I was planning to do a juice fast the first week of March, since I feel like my gut needs a rest and I need to start addressing those digestion issues more seriously, but I'm honestly not sure if fasting would make more balanced, or imbalanced. Maybe if I kept taking the salt, potassium & mag along with the juices and plenty of water? I've never done a real fast before, and I'm a little nervous I guess. Dr. B advises against it, I guess partly because of the iron deficiency (in fact he suggested eating rare red meat), so I'm not sure what to think. I've tried doing mostly raw food, but that doesn't seem to be working, either.- Re: Potassium Bicarb, Deficiencies, ... Ginagirl
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This is a reply to # 1,576,481"trying to avoid isolated nutrients," I have too, but this was not a success for me, I seem to need extras especially vit C. Yes it is confusing; a few years back I stopped believing in info about supplementing; started doing, and experimenting. If one were to listen to all the contradictory information one gets nowhere.
Whatever is suggested I now try myselfit before I make a conclusion. Not many things have worked with me; probiotics, for instance, have no effect on my digestion, whatsoever.
I am not very good with herbal teas; I take my pau d arco in powdered form together with licorice and anise seed powder (for taste and to stimulate the adrenals) this way it is easier to get the daily dosage; I simply down it with water.
About the fast; I would wait a little; get your iron up and the electrolytes in order first. Nothing works before the basics are in place. Milder cleanses is an option; with all the electrolytes as you mention. Chlorella algae, barley grass and other greens is a suggestion.
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This is a reply to # 1,576,293" I feel like I need some professional guidance with more definitive testing"
While you are out there getting tests, perhaps wise to check out for diabetes too, Leg cramping, numbness, theoretical could be..
http://www.restoreunity.org/leg_cramps_in_diabetics.htm
- Re: Potassium Bicarb, Deficiencies, ... Anja
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This is a reply to # 1,576,985Thanks, and I did think of that. It might have been one of the tests done, a fasting blood sugar, but I'm not sure, I'll have to ask Dr. B. I would be SO surprised, since I have none of the other symptoms and a very healthy diet, but my dad has diabetes, he was diagnosed with it around age 65. I assumed it was self-induced in his case with a SAD diet and lack of exercise.
My hunch right now is I was prone to this circulation problem genetically, but chose a job with a ridiculous amount of sitting which has escalated things to a point where I'm almost incapacitated by it. Yesterday I was only out for an hour, at the health food store, and I had other errands but had to come home because I was walking around on 2 icy, frozen, aching stumps (my feet and lower legs) and barely made it back to my car. Could the low thyroid be causing that? I don't know anymore. I've got lots and lots of spider veins and very visible larger veins, a few of which have just started to bulge a bit, yet all this seems pretty over the top for something as simple as varicrose veins. So I'm also wondering if my problem is in the bowel and pelvis, too much congestion there between cystic ovaries, endo, fibroid, and just an unhealthy gut for so many years that's probably gotten swollen, etc. Circulation and lymph being being blocked partly in the pelvis, and then sitting on it all day. The breaks and exercise I've been doing have not been enough.
Still trying to unravel this, and meanwhile back to pooping concrete, which could be from re-starting the Iodine (happened the first few weeks I was on a higher dose before), or the mostly raw diet I resumed even though I've been going easy on the nuts. This is exactly what happened before my appendix perforation, and I'm flabbergasted that a diet of primarily vegetables and fruit, healthy fats with plenty of water would be putting the brakes on my plumbing. I just started reading about the 80-10-10 diet, but I'm having a hard time getting my head around all that fruit. I've read about some strict fruitarians whose healthy really declined on that type of diet over time, and yet all the testimonials in this book make it sound the most natural human diet with lots of success stories.- Re: Potassium Bicarb, Deficiencies, ... Ginagirl
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This is a reply to # 1,576,997Hi; most of your symptoms are on hypo T list; I wonder what happens now when you start up Iodine again; keep us posted !
http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/long-and-pathetic/
# Fluid retention to the point of Congestive Heart Failure
# Swollen legs that prevented walking
# Blood Pressure problems
# Varicose Veins
# Dizziness from fluid on the inner ear
# Low body temperature
# Raised temperature
# Tightness in throat; sore throat
# Swollen lymph glands
# Allergies (which can also be a result of low cortisol–common with hypothyroid patients)
# Headaches and Migraines
# Sore feet (plantar fascitis); painful soles of feet
# now how do I put this one politely….a cold bum, butt, derriere, fanny, gluteus maximus, haunches, hindquarters, posterior, rear, and/or cheeks. Yup, really exists.
(more to find at the link)- Re: Potassium Bicarb, Deficiencies, ... Anja
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This is a reply to # 1,577,028yeah, I've seen that site and that list of symptoms. I have a few of 'em, but not too many, though it does make me wonder how much of my stuff is directly related. I didn't take Iodine today because I've got to clear up the concrete poop thing and I know it's making it worse right now. I'm worried my appendix is going to blow out for good this time, as that was the prequel to the last episode.
I don't know if it's coincidence, the compression socks I managed to keep on most of the day, or my lunch out with my husband, where I limped a couple blocks from the car to the restaurant - but within about a half hour to an hour of eating - YES, a buffalo burger minus the bun, cooked broccolini and caesar salad - AND.... coffee (which I almost never do), my legs and feet actually got warm and felt almost normal for the first time in months.
I told my DH maybe I've been doing this all wrong, I need to get off all the salads and fresh raw foods and get back on the meatloaf and mashed potatoes I grew up on - lol!- Re: Potassium Bicarb, Deficiencies, ... High on Water
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This is a reply to # 1,577,276no, not meat and potatoes - meat and veggies
which is what you had. you had meatloaf, broccoli, and salad.
Now granted, the meatloaf may very well have had some starch in it, (or maybe not, some good restaurants have learned that extra chopped veggies are just as good a "filler" for meatloaf as flours or breadcrumbs...egg works well as the meatloaf's "binder"
bottom line, protein and starches together don't digest well...many of us, while going through major detox, felt better with meat - just don't add starch with it!
When detox gets out of control, broccol could help as it's a goitrogen. Also, beef has iron and selenium in it. Could explain why that meal made you feel better!- Re: Potassium Bicarb, Deficiencies, ... Anja
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This is a reply to # 1,577,394LOL - I know the food combining rules, which is why I asked for the green veggie instead of the fries. But I've been known to break the rules, and my digestion definitely suffers for it when I do. I've been eating plenty of brazil nuts and dark leafy greens, leeks occasionally, garlic, but I swear to god, no matter how that argument stacks up as "truth" to me, the whole raw food thing, my body seems to want something different, I apparently absorbed the nutrients better today from the animal protein meal. I have a friend who totally recovered from mestastasized Breast Cancer on raw foods (among other natural modalities, but she feels the raw diet helped her the most). That made me want to try it, but it hasn't worked the same wonders for me, which is why I'm gravitating back to more cooked food. Though I have to say eliminating animal protein again did reduce some hormonal PMS type symptoms like breast tenderness. Today was an exception, and frankly now I don't know what the heck to do. Always in search of the right diet, I can never seem to find one that works 100% for me. Ethically I prefer to be vegetarian, and I do think it helps hormonal imbalance to stay away from the animal hormones, which are there even in clean meats, but it hasn't always worked for me. Still reading about that 80-10-10 diet, and while I LOVE fruit, I have a hunch I'd be a total space cadet on that much fruit Sugar and little fat. I'm tempted to try it, though, as a temporary experiment. With so much electrolyte imbalance, I'm not sure it's wise to fast right now, but I'd love to give my gut a rest. I may do fruit/green smoothies for a week instead.
Anyway, sorry to blather on about all this. You've all been super helpful, I really appreciate it!- Re: Potassium Bicarb, Deficiencies, ... High on Water
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This is a reply to # 1,577,404It's all about balance, but it's also about retraining your body.
When I first tried raw many years ago, I couldn't handle even ONE day of it. Now, I can go a few weeks before I "must" (lol) have some meat!
Growing up a "meat and potatoes" girl had its problems, for sure - but I was always much bigger on the potatoes and breads...much to my plagued gut now, as an adult.
It's all about finding what works best for the individual. Right now I am thoroughly enjoying a sweet potato with butter and honey and a little pumpkin-pie spice. But that's all - nothing else.
Simplicity is key,
at least for me.
Change is rarely easy, but the benefits outweigh the difficulties in spades!- Re: Potassium Bicarb, Deficiencies, ... Anja
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This is a reply to # 1,577,437I think that's key, you're right - simplicity, and listening to your body. I don't always hear so well... it's really easy to get pulled in 10 different directions with a lot of conflicting information, but simple foods, with carbs and/or fruits eaten alone is what feels right to me. I liked the starches better, too, like you. I think what I'm trying to figure out is what diet is a healing diet if I stay on it long enough, through any rough patches. My DH wants to start making kichadis, like an aureurvedic healing diet. I'm just thinking - rice and mung dal... I don't think there's any way that can be prepped where it won't blow me up like a balloon, but maybe sprouted with enough spice. I'm sure I'll enjoy it prior to any payback!
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This is a reply to # 1,576,059Hi
I am wondering if what you called "C-potassium bicarb" is not in fact Buffered Vitamin C with potassium bicarb. If yes you find other brand of Buffered vit-C. And some are buffered with Calcium, Potassium, Sodium ... and maybe preferable to just buffered with potassium. It is important to have the proper potassium/sodium ratios.
But whatever kind of buffered vit-c in powder there are, they are expensive, but think that if you buy them in capsules, you would probably pay twice or three times.
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This is a reply to # 1,576,059Hi Anja,
I highly recommend that you read "Why Do I Still Have Thyroid Symptoms?" by Datis Kharrazian. I think that Kharrazian just might be on to something in the way he diagnoses and treats hypothyroidism, et al.
One of the things Kharrazian writes about is that in certain cases Iodine is contraindicated in thyroid patients, and that it can actually worsen the situation.- Re: Potassium Bicarb, Deficiencies, ... Anja
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This is a reply to # 1,576,059Have you had your vitamin b12 checked, if you're low in the other nutrients you may well be low in b12, which causes a wide range of symptoms. Even if you are within the range but at the low end you can still get symptoms (but don't expect your doctor to know this).
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This is a reply to # 1,576,059What ever happened? I started getting a pressure feeling beginning half way down my leg like I had on a crew sock, both legs, only when I laid down at night. Then it became constant, and my legs are hot and red. I thought it was circulation due to diabetes, doc says it's due to low thyroid, that my legs will eventually turn brown!!!!! Horrified to say the least! I've now started getting the feeling on my arms to my hands! I've researched herbs and ordered some, but would love to hear it turned out to be magnesium or something.
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