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Actually, pretty good stuff together if you think about it.
I'm generally averse to highly refined foods, such as molasses which is basically the sludge remaining after the second or third boiling in the production of white sucrose crystals.
But, molasses is high in potassium, and importantly, typically high in copper content. I know from personal experience what a copper deficiency can do and it could be that many out there are deficient in it. As for the kelp, those who've read anything about the benefits of iodine supplementation in those who have halogen imbalances due to excessive fluoride and bromide in the "american" diet, already know that the iodine in kelp is highly beneficial.
So if you think about it, any protocol that includes molasses and kelp has a good likelihood of providing benefits to many people. As Bill Murray quipped in the movie Stripes - "that's the fact Jack". I hope that Moreless dude returns.
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MoreThis is a reply to # 1,511,920Its been a long learning curve on CZ for me and probably some others and I know mistakes have been made since we're all basically monkeys. At least I've made mistakes in some interpretations. The mandarin word for catastrophe is the same word they use for opportunity, and right now is a great opportunity for the regulars on CZ to continue and go forward better than any time previously based on lessons learned. I truly believe everyone is here to help one another for the most part. Molasses and kelp can't be bad !!
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This is a reply to # 1,511,997Agree on that.
I'm a "why" kind of guy and like to know reasons behind things. One puzzling aspect has been why some people who drink the molasses and kelp deal have had bad experiences. I don't purport to know the answer, but submit the following possible explanations.
We know molasses has substantial copper in it. It could be that there are some people who are already borderline high in copper levels relative to zinc and other trace minerals, and when they ingest the blackstrap, it puts them over the edge. It may not be the copper even, the same argument could possibly be applicable to manganese in the blackstrap also. For most people, it is not a problem, but for those few it could be. In those cases, I'd suggest the persons analyze their lifestyles - are they cooking on bare copper pans ? Do their homes have copper plumbing and the water is just below pH of 7 ? These are unknowns that the people themselves need to look at.
Additionally, not all molasses is created equally. There is undoubtedly variance from batch to batch, depending on the sugar plantation where the cane is grown, and what they do to the soils such as fertilizer. These plantations aren't typically in the USA and subject to EPA regulation, and God only knows what they might be doing to the soil. Whatever it is, it probably isn't that bad, except for one thing which is that people do make mistakes. It could be that some batches of blackstrap are super-high in copper, manganese, etc. and the next batch is not due to processing variances. Unfortunately each bottle does not contain a lot analysis. Maybe someone else can take these theories farther...
But in any event, inherently, molasses and kelp should pose no problems for most and should provide benefits.
Let me add however that if I were to imbibe in it, (and I do take molasses by the spoonful), I'd probably ditch the hydroxide and in its place I'd add potassium citrate at a concentration of between about 0.7 and 1.0 grams per quart. Calc hydroxide is a 2:1 electrolyte which reduces the blood colloid's zeta potential, whereas the citrate when consumed at that level adds dispersivity, it being a 1:3 electrolyte. I think then you'd have a near-perfect drink.
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This is a reply to # 1,512,112I've wondered the same thing of why some do good on it, some do bad. Maybe you are on to something about the copper. Blackstrap molasses makes me feel bad. I thought it was the sugar, and maybe it still is. Most sugars seem to make me feel bad. But I think I have copper overload too, so who knows, maybe that's part of why it makes me feel bad.
Hey, while I'm here, maybe you can help me figure this out. Being that I think I may have copper overload, I tried taking some zinc the other day, some ionic zinc. I got extremely nauseous, which rarely ever happens to me, immediately after taken it. You, or anyone have a clue what that was about?- Refreshed ketkev
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This is a reply to # 1,512,148I'm sorry to hear about your dad passing.
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My grandfather in his 95th year walked astray many times and the last one was nearly a catastrophe, so he was put in a home. His wife of 71 years was then left alone in the house for the first time ever. Its no wonder to me that his being gone made her not want to eat, those two are like two vines twisted together. She was in the hosp two days ago, weighing about 70 pounds.
Fortunately, people are not body only. My grandparents will probably pass over within days of one another, cosmically, and not too far in the future. I could go visit them each again in this state but it would be pointless, except for myself. They are two that had a major impact on my life and saying I love them doesn't even come close. But I'm not sad as some might be, because I know with absolute certainty that their deaths will only be a new beginning for them, that I too will share someday, and they want me to continue forward. They are not the bodies I see visually, rather, their real selves are spirits even now as they are in that home, that are to be re-newed very soon and there will be two more Angels in the universe. The earth is an Angel-generator machine.- Re: Refreshed ketkev
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This is a reply to # 1,512,183I can relate some to your story Chris about your grandparents. My grandmother lost her husband of 65 years several years ago, and she has gone down hill so fast since then. It is hard to watch. He was her world and now she lives all alone out in the country by herself and hardly sees no one, except for when we can get up there to see her. We've tried to get her to move where we live, but she doesn't want to leave the house they had together. She about went crazy one time because we got her a new tv, and she couldn't bare to let the old one go, because that was their tv, even though it was barely working. Letting go of that tv, would be like letting part of her memories of my grandfather go. People talk about marriages being unhappy, but some marriages are what keep some people wanting to live. I guess that's rare though in these times.- Re: Refreshed Hidden Username
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This is a reply to # 1,512,208My grandmother is extremely pragmatic, tough, and no whining. She recently told me its over for her and from her resolve and pragmatism comes strength we all ought have to just face the end. Its easy for me because the reaper has been in my face enough times that I have no fear any longer of really anything except being kidnapped and tortured, and before that will ever happen I'll make sure blood flows that isn't of mine. Death is like the pharmacy industry. All our lives we're brainwashed into some beliefe system, like cars and houses and shiny jewelries are important, that there is no cure for cancer, etc., Throw all that crap away, never let these people mould me - ever. They don't know what the H they're talking about, they're just parroting some nonsense they read in the Enquirer.
Talk to god. Let me share something. I consider god as my friend. When I have friends, I tell them jokes. Last spring, I spoke with my perception of god and told a joke that had come to my mind which was funny, and I thought my friend should hear it. After telling it, I asked what she thought. No reply of course, the silent treatment. I asked her to sometime, if it wasn't too much trouble, to tell me a joke back. Dangit if that night I didn't wake up in my sleep laughing out loud, realized what had happened and just laid there, amazed.
but should I have really been amazed ? If one has a friend, they should treat them like a friend, and telling jokes among friends is a chummy thing to do, don't you think ? Some of these people around me are so moulded, like little barbies and kens with a string hanging out of their back and an empty skull when it comes to creative thought. Its the Fluoride and Television. Its not their fault. Or isn't it ?Advertisement
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This is a reply to # 1,512,183I have not been motivated or interested enough to reply to a post on CZ in quite some time. But, Chris ... the tale you told about your grandparents touched me so deeply! You have truly found the answers! And your post comforts me!
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This is a reply to # 1,512,793Thanks Kathy. Yeah, we all learned quite a bit from them, it gets passed generationally too. How's the school band gig ? I never made it that way, my business seems to keep me here, one thing after another, the days all melt together like in the cartoons when the pages on the calendar flip fast-forward style. Grandfather's mother was a bootlegger, had the only car on the street and didn't speak a word of english. Feds would come bust her periodically, she'd pay $ 500 (lot of money then) and they'd leave her alone for six months. she bought a roller piano but wouldn't let the kids touch it, but grandfather would put on a roll when nobody was around and put his fingers on the keys as they went down and learned all the songs. He played great for abou 70 years or more and will always live on in the several prof. quality CD's he had made. Grandmother made CD's of all her cooking recipes, how to make everything she knew how to make, so those crafts won't be lost. Its a rough time for many but helps alot knowing how practically pragmatic they both are. Words insuffice.
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This is a reply to # 1,512,805The school band gig is still going great! My daughter is such a social butterfly; that comes from her father, not me!
My German grandfather was a musician, too. He played the trumpet and violin. I was fortunte enough to get the violin when he died. He used to play in what was called an "oom-pah" band every Sunday at a park in Union, New Joisey. My German grandmother was a wonderful cook, too, probably the best I've ever known! She cooked Thanksgiving dinner every year and, boy, did I ever look forward to that!!- Re: Refreshed Hidden Username
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You're making me hungry, I want a big bowl of stuffing and some dark meat in it with gravy poured all over the top. My g-mum makes it with bread but I recently learned to like it made from cornbread. Mmmmm, smashed potatoes too with lots of chives and onions mixed in.
One of my guys took up the cello in addition to piano. I"ve got to go eat something now !!
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This is a reply to # 1,512,148Dang, I wish I could help but trace metals issues are among the most complex.
My studies have led me to conclude that trace metals imbalances can't be repaired until halogen imbalance is remedied - eliminate all sources of bromide and fluoride and get into the body its appropriate amount of iodine, which iodine amount that is appropriate for everyone can vary. Correct halogens Cl, Br, F, I are so powerfully fundamental to good health, they merit everyone's devoted study. The iodine forum is a good place to start, when I posted there I was careful to only cite the works of MDs who were knowledgeable in it, which meant that they weren't mainstream MD's. The mainstream ones generally are ignorant concerning these rudimentary issues of good health, because their medical textbooks do not teach nutrition (that's BIZARRE), probably because the money-driven, oil-soaked medical monopoly presses that crank out their books don't want them to know anything about nutrition and halogens.
I could make a powerful suggestion for you which would probably work but its effect would be short-lived absent more information, particularly relating to the halogens. Have you eliminated bromide and fluoride from your life ?- Re: Perhaps the Chinese Knew Somethi... ketkev
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This is a reply to # 1,512,175Thanks! I have been doing iodine for a while now. And it has helped me. I can tell I'm not sufficient yet though, so maybe once I am, my trace metals will balance out. I feel like I've got a good protocol going right now. It's just a matter now of the slow day to day healing I believe. I just thought I would try and add the zinc in, to see what happened, but after the extreme nauseous experience the other day, I'm thinking I will wait on that.
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This is a reply to # 1,512,148Just to say it had the same effect on me, also it made me feel REALLY depressed.
I recon ive got copper overload as well. All the signs and symptoms are there. I can't tolerate molasses either, makes me feel quite bad, could be the potassium, copper, sugar or other stuff.
Zinc is supposed to push copper out, so you could have been feeling the copper being dumped. Or Newport says if you have mercury, then zinc will carry mercury into the brain!
I don't know how much zinc you took, i think i also took too much a couple of hundred mg. i now only take around 100mg a day at most and i dont have any negative effects from that.
Molybdenum is also something to look at if you suspect copper problems as well.
Peace
p.s. welcome back 'v' my initial instinct told me it was you a couple of days ago on the iodine forum,Advertisement
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This is a reply to # 1,512,220Thanks insight! I was going to leave off zinc altogether after my experience, but maybe I should just take a smaller dose, like you said you are doing. I took 100mg all at once the other day. That was probably too much for me starting out.
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This is a reply to # 1,512,248Well, logic would say it was a bad idea taking zinc if you suspect mercury. I'm sure if you do search on cz for zinc and mercury it will bring up the relevent posts.
Maybe i am a bit foolish to be taking the zinc but i have no big reason to suscept mercury. I probably have some from the air and the environment but i have never been a big fish eater and i don't have amalgams.
I usually take 100mg at once with no ill effects. but yeh, start off slower and maybe get some molyb too.
I have recently ordered a hair analysis test so that might shed some light on the coppper toxicity thing, have you looked into having a hair analysis test? - Re: Perhaps the Chinese Knew Somethi... Hidden Username
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This is a reply to # 1,512,450I do suspect I have mercury. I don't have amalgams anymore, but I did 20 years ago, had them removed the wrong way by a regular dentists (at the request of my mom who didn't know about the correct procedure at the time). I was not even in good health before that, and a lot worse after that.
Anyway, maybe I've gotten a lot of it out with iodine supplementation, selemium, etc. Hopefully what v says is true about zinc/mercury. I'd like to try it in small doses.
I haven't done hair analysis, but have thought about it, and may look into doing that soon.
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