The myth of chronic acidosis 
Hveragerthi
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Here is another response I posted on the Candida board in regards to the myth of the body becoming acidic:
The body RARELY ever goes acidic. The acidity causing disease claims is really a myth. The body cannot survive if it becomes too acidic, or too alkaline. In fact a pH higher than 7.8 or lower than 6.8 will kill a person. This is why the body has so many redundant systems to maintain its narrow pH it can survive in. For example, breathing adjusts pH. If the body starts to get acidic our respiration increases to blow off CO2, which reduces carbonic acid, and the oxygen reduces acidic lactate. If the body starts to become too alkaline the respiration slows down to retain CO2, increasing carbonic acid. The body also generates bicarbonate to deal with acidity, can excrete hydrogen ions, carbonic acid or bicarbonate out through the urine or retain them to adjust pH. The body also uses phosphates and hemoglobin as buffers, and in severe cases can pull minerals from the bones as a buffer against acidity. Our pH is also regulated by proteins that can either bond or release hydrogen ions in response to pH imbalances. Here are some references for you:
http://dwb4.unl.edu/Chem/CHEM869R/CHEM869RLinks/www.usyd.edu.au/su/anaes/lect...
http://www.chemistry.wustl.edu/~edudev/LabTutorials/Buffer/Buffer.html
This is why we rarely see acidosis (overly acidic blood) or alkalosis (overly alkaline blood). Acute acidosis can occur with severe vomiting and diarrhea, ketoacidosis, inadequate oxygen intake or utilization (respiratory acidosis), rhabdomyolosis, kidney failure and by poisoning with certain chemicals. Acute alkalosis can occur with over consumption of hydroxides including alkaline waters, consumption of milk with hydroxides, overuse of carbonates such as antacids or baking soda, prolonged vomiting, excessive aldosterone secretion, diuretic use and hyperventilation.
The pH of the lymphatic system is kept slightly more alkaline than the blood, so lymphatic acidosis does not occur.
Because chronic acidosis is so rare and diseases are so common even common sense should tell us that acidosis is not a cause of most diseases. Most often it is a byproduct of a disease, not a cause. So anyone who is going to claim that acidity is the cause of most or all diseases does not have a clue what they are talking about.
In fact we need a large number of acids to survive and thrive. These include hydrochloric acid, pyruvic acid, acetic acid, carbonic acid, hyaluronic acid, glucuronic acid, malic acid, lactic acid, citric acid, uric acid, fatty acids, amino acids, ascorbic acid, pantothenic acid, folic acid, etc.
And most pathogens are killed by acids and thrive in an alkaline environment. This is why the parts of the body that help protect us from pathogens are normally acidic. These include the skin, stomach, intestines and sinuses.
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- Re: The myth of chronic acidosis spudlydoo
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This is a reply to # 1,502,701lol, Hv , I'm keeping a log of all the times you post about this, and people still don't get it.
spud- Re: The myth of chronic acidosis Hveragerthi
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This is a reply to # 1,502,705
I know what you mean. Did you see the one lady trying to argue with me over the subject? She said she has had Candida for 15 years and still thinks that rotating her antifungal herbs is going to work one of these days.
- Re: The myth of chronic acidosis spudlydoo
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MoreThis is a reply to # 1,502,739In the six years that I worked for the coroners dept, I saw one case of systemic candida, this was in a woman who had died of a stomach ulcer that perforated the stomach wall while she was hundreds of km from any first aid care, and she died from exsanguination. There was candida present in large numbers in the stomach and bowel, the vagina, mouth, ear canal, and vitrious fluid of the eyeball. I did not test for the presence of candida in the blood. I have never seen another case like this. This woman continually used MOM and other antacids for appox 3 years, so her body had become pretty alkaline in the areas it should have been acidic.
I have never seen a case of chronic acidosis, in fact I don't see how acidosis could possibly become what I would consider chronic, you would die first.
I fail to see how someone can 'feel' acidic. If your lymph system or blood became acidic you would not be feeling anything.
spud - Re: The myth of chronic acidosis GrannyCat
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I don't hang out at the Candida Forum , however, I was convinced years ago that I had an overgrowth of fungus. Doug Kauffman [www.knowthecause.com] and his TV show in addition to other sources he recommended, convinced me. Plus it 'made sense' and seem to fit the model of my conditions. I was on his anti fungal diet for about a year as well. I still correspond via email with a group of ladies that I met on Doug's website forum years ago. So I understand the way of thinking that anti fungals and their rotation is a cure for yeast/fungus/candida overgrowth. If you have too much fungus/yeast/candida, then of course you'd take ANTI fungals to cure it, yes?
I also believed the pH theories, specifically, that being over acidic is what causes all diseases, etc., blah, blah blah. [Doug believes that fungus causes most all diseases ... go figure!] That acidosis theory also 'made sense' to me since I connected the acidosis with fungal overgrowth. Fungal overgrowth, I believed, caused us to be acidic OR becoming over acidic causes fungus to overgrow in us. It's easy to get off course and believe things that aren't so. BUT we can only do what we can do, trial and error, continue to learn, which I have done and will continue to do! I do still believe that pH BALANCE is vital to good health.
I have been trying to educate my email group about things I've learned here from Hv mostly. But each person has to decide for themselves if they will change their beliefs about something or not. Like the old saying, "A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still."
We just need to be patient and keep dropping the seeds of truth!
Marci- Re: The myth of chronic acidosis spudlydoo
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This is a reply to # 1,502,793I think it is really important to inform people that their own bodies already have systems in place to make sure that their bodies do not become too acidic or too alkaline. People need to know that true acidosis or alkalosis is rare, and there is nearly always an underlying cause.
People can manipulate the acidity or alkalinity of certain areas of the body , such as the stomach, skin, mouth etc, but this will not effect the alkalinity or acidity of the lymph system or the blood.
I still find it very hard to believe that so many people are suffering from years of candida overgrowth. Yeast infections are a common thing when taking anti-biotics, or forcing the stomach into an alkaline state, but when the cause is removed, and the diet conducive to good gut flora growth, and ample stomach acid, the candida (yeast infection) in most cases, clears up.
I'm interested to know how people can 'feel' that they are acidic, and how people are diagnosing candida, particularly those who believe that they have had this overgrowth for years.
spud- feeling acidic ruff magruff
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i can tell everyone what its like to "feel acidic."
maybe youre right in that its not actually feeling acididc but something else. maybe ive just heard of the alkaline / acidic thing and thats the label ive used, but if y'all could tell me what it really is, sucha s mineral/nutrient/flora deficiency id like to know
i have some kind of dysbiosis, so when i eat a diet that is poor for my condition, ie consuming any grains basically, or flour or sugar, and i dont balance it out with vegetables and whole foods the feeling of being "acidic" overcomes me.
what this means is, i get dehydrated, my lips peel and crack, my cuts heal very slowly, i have mucus and feel ill. i am constipated and bloated.
this happens sometimes, only for a little while until my diet is corrected, maybe its an overload of toxins or something.
it used to happen when i was eating wheat still and was highly allergic (celiac) (i dont eat gluten now)
when i was doing a fruit fast, all of my body fluids smelled like fruit, my complexion was mousturized and my cuts healed remarkably fast. i washed my cuts in alkaline stream water (from warm springs in canada) and they healed still.
maybe it is because of the proximity of my fruit fast and going back to eating whole foods with wheat that i think of this alkaline/acid thing...
but what is it then...my body not being able to assimilate nutrients? and the immune system breaking down?
love to know
thanks
peace!
~ruff- Re: feeling acidic spudlydoo
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This is a reply to # 1,504,081Hey Ruff, I am also celiac, and cannot tolerate wheat products or gluten, and have the same allergic reaction that you do. I was undiagnosed for many years and suffered a lot of damage to the villi in my bowel. This is the reason I have had problems with absorption of nutrients in the past.
Contrary to what many alkalising promoters say, its only when I increased my stomach acid, started taking bitters before every meal , and before bed, that my digestion, hydration, and absorption of nutrients became better. Probiotics, mineral and herb supplements have also helped a great deal. I also take Iodine supplements for thyroid, breast and reproductive organ health.
I always thought of my symptoms as being more like exhaustion, and that my body was literally starving for nutrients. It was actually the lack of acids and the lack of good gut flora that was killing me, rather than being acidic. Once this lack of stomach acid and gut flora, were sorted, my immune system has been fantastic, in fact my health overall has been great.
I wish you all the best with your own health :)
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- Re: The myth of chronic acidosis Hveragerthi
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If you have too much fungus/yeast/candida, then of course you'd take ANTI fungals to cure it, yes?
No, you would never kill off all the Candida since it is a natural part of the body. Just like when we take antbiotics we never kill off all the flora nor all the staph bacteria naturally found on the body. The only way to truly treat Candida is to all the immune system to keep in under control. The flora are the primary portion of the immune system that keeps the Candida under control through the production of acids and by competing with the Candida for space and food.
- Re: The myth of chronic acidosis spudlydoo
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- Re: The myth of chronic acidosis Hveragerthi
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- Re: The myth of chronic acidosis younghoodini
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This is a reply to # 1,502,752True indeed, why mess with what nature has created, the perfect body..forcing the body to become to alkaline is dangerous is as being too acidic, but as HV has mentioned the body has so many different buffer systems to balance out in order to properly function. Actually, being too alkaline has a whole host of problems as well from bone damage to organ failure. So, I think it's not whether we should be checking our PH everytime we breathe, but rather finding that balance that makes us feel happy and healthy. I know allot of people where I work, who eat crap, smoke, drink, but for the most part from what I see are happy. Now, of course I don't live with them, so I am only judging them on the time I see them at work, but they seem to be happy.
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i know similar people who eat nothing but 1 pound microwave ready meals, smoke, dont exercise, do copious amounts of drugs and are healthy.
and ive come to the conclusion why lol they all live stress free lives. Not a bean of stress in them.
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- Re: The myth of chronic acidosis #99906
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This is a reply to # 1,502,701This is what i have come to understand about what the alkalinity proponents suggest:
The blood must maintain a near neutral pH.
The internal body should be more on the alkaline side. This includes the intracellular and extracellular fluids such as found in the organs. Excludes the blood.
The external body should have a slightly acidic pH. This includes the skin and the gut. The gut is the tube that connects the mouth and the anus. That tube is considered part of the external body since it is in contact with the outside world thru the food we ingest.
They being said, they tend to focus on the internal body pH with their recommendations. Probably because it is the more difficult to maintain with today's lifestyle and diet.
Plus, even if the blood is maintained at a near neutral pH, that does not mean that the buffering system is not taxed and stressed. Ideally they strive to reduce the large workload of these buffering system. One of the best ways to do that in their opinion is to increase mineral consumption and improve diet.- Re: The myth of chronic acidosis spudlydoo
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This is a reply to # 1,502,939The internal Ph is controlled by the body , not by what we eat or drink, I'm talking about the blood, lymph etc.
The Ph of the skin, gut, vagina etc should be acidic, and we can manipulate these areas with what we eat, and what we use topically, but when people do this and these areas become alkaline, thats when the trouble starts. Trying to manipulate the Ph of the body is what puts stress on the buffering system.
The Ph of the stomach should be very acidic, it is also possible to manipulate how much stomach acid we have, but why would you want to decrease the stomach acid with alkaline drinks etc. This is where most problems with candida, gut flora, undigested food, etc , come from.
Eating a well balanced diet of good organic foods, is a great idea for everybody, what I disagree with is wrapping that idea up with a load of hogwash about alkalising the body blah blah blah.
Instead of worrying about what your ph is, eat a good diet, get regular exercise, lessen the stress in your life, don't use drugs that will kill your gut flora, supplement what you don't get in your diet, (eg: minerals, if you live in an area with poor soil), if you do these things, you will not have to think about Ph, as your body will be happily taking care of this, and you will not have candida overgrowth.
Like my Dad always said, "If its not broken, don't fix it"
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- Re: The myth of chronic acidosis twll
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This is a reply to # 1,503,124Ph myth. I don't think a monk could do everything to get the Ph levels these books claim you need.
All this kind of stuff is connected to upsell.
After you buy the book,you need certain pills & potions to get it to that miraculous Ph level.
Soaking in Epsom Salt will raise your Ph level temporary.- Re: The myth of chronic acidosis spudlydoo
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This is a reply to # 1,503,574If you soak in Epsom Salts , and do not wash it off your skin afterwards, you will change your skin's naturally acidic state , to an alkaline one, leaving you vunerable to pathogens.
I totally agree about the hype, same as everybody supposedly having yeast overgrowth, or parasites up the wazoo, fear sells just as much as sex.
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- Re: The myth of chronic acidosis spudlydoo
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- Re: The myth of chronic acidosis #99906
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This is a reply to # 1,503,124So you believe that eating a poor diet and living a poor lifestyle has nothing to do with the pH balance of your body?
You say not to be concerned about pH and then you suggest that the stomach must be acidic (which it should be).
"If its not broken, don't fix it"
Unfortunately the bodies of many people are damaged.- Re: The myth of chronic acidosis spudlydoo
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What I am saying is that, if you eat well, a good balanced diet, not a restrictive one, then you will not need to be concerned about your ph. You can manipulate the ph of your stomach, skin etc by what you eat or use topically, but you cannot manipulate your blood or lymph ph, nor should you be trying too. The body does this perfectly well by itself, and it is just plain dangerous to try and manipulate either.
As we age our stomach acid naturally declines, and as the stomach should be acidic, maintaining this acidity will help with digestive issues, as we get older.
As for a poor diet and lifestyle, the body will maintain the blood and lymph ph level, even if you eat poorly and make poor lifestyle choices. If the body did not regulate these ph levels, you would be dead very quickly.
As for trying to alkalise the parts of the body that should be acidic, why would you bother?? When people drink alkalising drinks this is precisely what they are doing, neutralising the stomach acid, and IMO this is just stupid.
spud- Re: The myth of chronic acidosis #99906
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This is a reply to # 1,504,198Why is ok to manipulate the pH of the acidic parts of the body such as the stomach and skin? A body in balance on a healthy Diet and lifestyle should not need to do this. If you will say due to age, then why dont the other parts of the body get effected?
Once again the blood pH should be neutral. Outside of neutral is dangerous. The alkalzing proponents do not suggest trying to alkalinize the blood.
Nor do they suggest alkalinizing the gut or skin.
Im not sure what alkalinizing drinks are, Ive been talking about diet and lifestyle but if they are fresh juices then that is fine.
They also do not suggest avoiding acidic foods per say. For example, lemons are acidic by themselves, but highly recommended by these proponents. The minerals within them are great for the internal system.
- Re: The myth of chronic acidosis spudlydoo
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Low stomach acid can cause digestive problems, as we age our stomach acid production declines. Herbs such as bitters, can increase the production of stomach acid, and therefore help with digestive issues. Increasing the stomach acid will not effect the ph of the blood or lymph system.
As I have said before, the ph of the stomach and skin can be manipulated, if you want to do this. I didn't say they SHOULD be, just that they can be.
In a perfect world we would all have a good diet and good lifestyle, but this is not a perfect world.
Alkalising proponents DO suggest trying to alkalise the stomach, skin and lymph system. And once again, why would you want to alkalise areas of the body that should be acidic, skin, stomach etc. And once again, alkalising these areas will not effect the ph of the lymph or blood systems, but will effect digestion and pathogen resistance.
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