That is great info! I'm just curious about the dosage. Are you male or female and aprox. weight?? I just had mine taken out last week and already experiencing urgency. Although, I already had that from my Crohns from time to time.

I had my gall bladder removed laparoscopically in June and recovered with no complications. Ten days ago I got terrible upper right abdominal pain, had testing and all liver functions and ultrasound are fine. I am scheduled for endoscopic ultrasound on Monday to see if a stone is neverthless wandering around and causing trouble as the pain is not going away but getting worse. No jaundice. I have the runs after eating which I didn't have after surgery or until a week ago. My question refers to doing a Liver Flush now after I don't have a gall bladder. I understand that taking apple juice will make the stones softer because of the malic acid, and I understand that taking Epsom Salts which are magnesium sulfate will act as a muscle relaxant and stop spasms of the bile ducts therefore widening them. I DO NOT understand why it will help to take a cup of oil, mixed with anything for taste, as the purpose of the oil is to make your gall bladder contract in order to push out the stones but I do not have a gall bladder any more! Does oil make the LIVER contract? I never heard of it doing anything like that. And if not, why take the oil part at all? I'm quite afraid to do it even though I have read every message on this site today from the beginning of time, and have read all about the liver, gall bladder etc. cleanse. I can't understand two things and am in need of an answer before making a decision about what to do:
1) what good is the oil if I don't have a gall bladder?
2) What are the dangers of getting a stone stuck in a bile duct (now I assume it is just "floating around" and not stuck as I don't have any raised bilirubin) as a result of the liver flush? Will it necessitate ERCP which is what I am told they will do ultimately if the endoscopic ultrasound finds that I have stone floating around in the bile ducts that are causing pain?
3) I was told by my doctors that the stones are not formed in the liver but in the bile ducts and that if i have any stones now they are "leftovers" from the surgery that they didn't catch because it was endoscopic surgery, and that they were in my bile ducts all the time. Is this true? If it is, then why do patients including some listed on this list, get stones years after surgery and even after having ERCP to take out their "leftover stones"? Here I have a difference of opinion between the doctors and what I read on this list.
4) When I read the "experts answer" questions refuting people like Dr. Weil who don't believe in the flush and claim it is not stones coming out etc, their answers are not convincing. Their answers are just "try it and see". I am told that for people with stones that can get stuck the flush is dangerous.
5) When I had acupuncture a few years ago before developing gall stones the practitioner did a liver cleanse as a result of which I developed great pain but no tests showed anything. May have been small stones that passed or gravel. Three years ago I had another acupuncturist work on my sinuses and without telling me he did a liver slush and I was in terrible pain and then the ultrasound showed that I had developed gallstones. I know it was from that as I had an ultrasound three months previous and it was clean. The stones in the gall bladder became bigger and more numerous and painful and ultimately I had to have it out. But at the time the "liver cleanse" only hurt me and moved the stones into my gall bladder or made them form or whatever, it diedn't hlep, I ended up with stones that didn't pass with another of his acupuncture treatments and then I had to have surgery. In other words, maybe my body is not a good candidate for Liver Flushing as all I have had from it is trouble. But I really am scared at the thought of ERCP, even once, and certainly terrified of having to have it over and over again, I am only 44.

So my big question is, would it be worth drinking the malic acid and taking the Epsom Salts and trying something else to get the stones to move? What do you suggest.
Thanks for an answer, I am really scared and need an answer fast to make decisions.
Judy

I FOUND OUT DURING PREGNANCY THAT I HAD GALLSTONES. I HAD A SEVERE ATTACK DURING MY THIRD MONTH OF PREGNANCY. I WAS ADMITTED TO THE HOSPITAL AND THE DR. PERFORMED AN ERCP. I STILL AM NOT SURE WHAT THAT REALLY WAS. I AM NOW POST PARDOM SIX WEEKS. I WENT TO A SURGEON LAST WEEK. I AM SCHEDULED FOR SURGERY ON OCT.29 I AM TERRIFIED. I HAVE OTHER CHILDREN AT HOME AS WELL. I HAD ALOT OF SLUDGE AND STONES BEFORE THE ERCP. I HAVE BEEN TOLD I NEED THE REMOVAL. I BECAME JAUNDICE PRIOR TO THE ERCP. SHOULD I HAVE THE SURGERY? WHO DO I CONTACT TO FIND OUT HOW GOOD MY SURGEON IS? WILL I HAVE PROBLEMS LATER FROM THIS ERCP? MY FATHER DIED OF COLON CANCER SO I AM ALREADY AT RISK FOR THAT. I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO.

Hello,

I had my gallbladder removed when I was 13. For years I had stomach pains that continually got worse. I went through tons of doctors & testing and no one could find anything wrong with me. My second trip to the emergency room - which was within a few months from my first visit - resulted in the finding of gallstones. They were discovered with an ultrasound. It was quite a surprise, as I had just had an ultrasound a few weeks prior. My parents and I discussed the surgery with my doctor to have my gallbladder removed. It was hard for us to come to a decision, as I was so young, and surgery was such a big thing. We were thinking about alternatives, but my doctor said it was a very simple procedure, and really didn't inform us of any risks, other then the normal anesthetic risks. Within that time, my mother was having the same pains, which sent her to the emergency room. They found that she had Gallstones quite easily. We both had our surgery on the same day. Since then I haven't had any sever, hour long - over night pains, but I am having other stomach pains. Since I have had my gallbladder removed, I have had strengthening stomach pains. Within the past 10 months they have worsened. I am continually having severe abdominal cramping, so bad sometimes it brings me to tears. I have had tons of testing since my gallbladder was removed, blood tests mostly, and no one can find anything wrong with me. About 8 months ago, I went to a gastreo.... specialist. Without doing any testing, he diagnosed me with IBS & set me up with a prescription of Dicyclomine (Generic for Bentyl)... I started taking the medication, but it didn't do much for me. I am now finding it hard for me to eat... Especially going out to eat. I start to settle in to enjoy my meal, and I have to run off to the bathroom. The pain and constant bowel movements are affecting my daily life. I am also getting pretty severe headaches, that can last overnight as well, and Tylenol or any aspirin have no affect on it (Usually once or twice a month). I find myself having a lot of lower back pain as well. I have no idea if this is related or not - but I feel more depressed & tired then I ever have. Is anyone else having similar symptoms? I noticed a lot of people having diahhrea, but are you guys having the other symptoms? Please let me know. I am only 19, and have been dealing with stomach pains for almost my entire life! Please post a response or email me at PunkGrl8080@hotmail.com with any suggestions, your story, etc... Thanks! I look forward to it.

I had my gb out 1 1/2 yrs ago. The surgeon told us that if the surgery is not done right and too much of the bile duct is left, over time it will begin functioning like a gall bladder again and may get stones, etc. It's possible I guess.

This is a great site and I'm glad I found it...

My 39 year old Mother has the "problem" not me....

On New Year's Eve 1998, my mother had her gallbladder removed, Ever since then she has had horrible "dumping" or Postcholecystectomy Syndrome also 10-20 mins after eating. As we all know by now the GALLBLADDER REMOVAL WAS THE CAUSE! Well her doctor doesn't think so... So we are going round and round with this.
We have tried everything! All the meds... except for that Welchol which I read about in here (Thank You to that person she is going to talk to her dr. about it) We didn't know that this could happen, as like almost everyone that has the surgery.... For some reason doctors don't want people to know the possibilities of chronic diarrhea. Questran which a lot of people use to help this condition.... Doesn't work for her. If my mother didn't take it, She would be in the bathroom at least 16-18 HOURS a day. With the meds though... she only sees a bathroom from anywhere to 1-5 hours. You can see that this is a problem... Well Now guess what. She is on disability, which pays jack! And she is loosing her home, due to lack of money. Well you would think a doctor at this point would take her seriously... (One would think!) Just 2 weeks ago she had a colonoscopy (her first) Well the doctor thought it was all in her head... untrue! Then he said there was NO CAUSE to check her Upper GI track. The fact that she has abdominal pain and pain in the back shoulder areas, don't mean anything. Ohh and the diarrhea isn't caused by the gallbladder surgery she had, right... So I'm fed up she's fed up! She has been to 5 specialists, and 3 family doctors. Not on of them will say that the diarrhea has been caused by the surgery.

There is no cure, I know this... But if ANYONE has ANY MEDICAL info that could help... PLEASE CONTACT ME! Any types of tests their doctors have taken and why would be greatly needed!

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I suppose to a degree I agree about letting your body heal itself, but I strongly believe there is an appropriate time and place for surgical intervention. In Jan. 06 I found myself doubled over in excruciating abdominal pain. For about 3 years leading up to this I was having more and more frequent bouts of acid reflux so bad that I went to the ER on 2 different occasions thinking I was having a heart attack. Then in Jan. I had the bad abdominal pain that prompted me to go to the ER. Turns out I had a gall bladder "chock full" of stones. My gall bladder was distended from the amount of stones in it and also had become infected. It was so swollen that it was pressed against my pancreas which also became enlarged and infected. Those 2 things combined caused my liver enzymes to be totally out of whack and thus I found myself jaundiced and running a fever pf 101 for 5 days as well. Let my body heal it self? I think not. I had an ERCP done and they found that the stones were completely blocking the gall bladder duct. In addition, the bile duct had spasmed shut. There was no way that this was going to rectify itself w/o surgery. I happily reliquenshed my gall bladder. I don't think it's prudent to advise others to rule out surgery across the board. That might have been YOUR experience. It certianly hasn't been mine.

i completely disagree with you on this for the reason that i had the almost exact same thing happen to me just a year ago and you just dont understand the pain and suffering that alot of us have gone through and that could have been prevented if we were given all of the right and truthful information. i am glad that your family member has had such limited problems but for the rest of us that have had complications you can never understand the torment and torcher that weve had to go through. even that your loved ones had to go through. my husband had to stand there and hear from my doctor that i my not make it through the next few min let alone the next few hours. you dont know what it feels like to have to learn to walk all over again because you havent walked for three weeks because you were in and out of surgery three times in one month. so you want updated info here you go the main malpractic lawsuit in the U.S. is messups from laproscopic surgeries. over 50% of people have minor to major complications from these surgeries and a lot of the ones that had major comps couldnt talk about it because they had multiple organ failure or they are now dead God rest their souls. ALL could have been prevented with proper medical advice and all true info form doctor to patient. so there is your up date. im glad all is well with you but for some of us its not like that. best wishes to you and your family.

i completely disagree with you on this for the reason that i had the almost exact same thing happen to me just a year ago and you just dont understand the pain and suffering that alot of us have gone through and that could have been prevented if we were given all of the right and truthful information. i am glad that your family member has had such limited problems but for the rest of us that have had complications you can never understand the torment and torcher that weve had to go through. even that your loved ones had to go through. my husband had to stand there and hear from my doctor that i my not make it through the next few min let alone the next few hours. you dont know what it feels like to have to learn to walk all over again because you havent walked for three weeks because you were in and out of surgery three times in one month. so you want updated info here you go the main malpractic lawsuit in the U.S. is messups from laproscopic surgeries. over 50% of people have minor to major complications from these surgeries and a lot of the ones that had major comps couldnt talk about it because they had multiple organ failure or they are now dead God rest their souls. ALL could have been prevented with proper medical advice and all true info form doctor to patient. so there is your up date. im glad all is well with you but for some of us its not like that. best wishes to you and your family.

Is it safe to do a gallbladder pack with caster oil for three days then a Liver Flush with 6 oz olive oil and lemon juice? I have a detailed plan but want info from others who have tried this method. It sounds really good, but?
What kind of results are people getting?
I am needing information about stress to my liver with this protocall.
What is the risk?
Thanks
Allyup