Is it a must to avoid meat w/ UT? 
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I'm a blood type O. I've needed my proteins. I have cellular protein deficiency and I don't think going vegan would be a good idea for me. Does that mean that UT is not a good idea for me?- Protein #46892
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This is a reply to # 1,106,090Since the concept of Blood Type Diet s are, while taught with some experiential evidence,still very much debateable and contrary to the classic health understandings taught by Ehret,Christopher,Lust, ect, you might also want to investigate what the difference is between the blood type teachings you are refering too and those I mention. Remember, long chain amino acids, aka proteins, are an efficient way for aquiring amino acids to satisfy the building and using protein needs of the body but certainly not the only way nor the most common way that carbon based organisms build and run their systems.
Many people have done ut while on conventional diets and have reported good results but the difference between those who limit intake and those who do not is more than just the difference in look, smell and taste in their fluid. It is so much easier to fast or do a fruit diet while UTing. Not only arent we recirculating questionable items ingested but the therapy makes the limited diet work so well that it can amaze one who has had certain negative experiences while limiting diet or fasting.
BTW your experience of a diagnosed cellular protein deficiency might be more related to lack of the compound, nutricinal sulfer, MSM ,that is such an important aspect of cellular health, and that would be affected positively by the animal flesh eating but certainly not the only way to add that constituant to a diet.
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This is a reply to # 1,106,571Thank you for your reply.
I used to do juice fasting one day a week. I may do a fast with UT maybe one day at a time, once in a while. I don't want to lose any weight doing it. I'm 6' tall and weigh 170.
The Pro-Vita! Plan might be a good way for me to eat again. It's small amounts of low stress proteins with low carb vegetables. According to that, 4 ounces of grass fed beef with a meal is too much, and that makes sense to me.
I've decided to quit or limit grains.
I'm going to do more reading on UT. Any books or websites you recommend?
Joe
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This is a reply to # 1,108,567The sources Ive relied on most are the earliest mentioning of ut from the asian literature. A discourse between Shiva and Paravati . Dr Thakur's piece is also very interesting and pertainant. These can be found w a search. Of course the advised R's here on the ut forum are great also. especially in that we all share the ups and downs without trying to evangelise, hopefully.
The one day fasting tho may not be all you want since it takes a bit of time to relieve the system of whats gone in, in recent days.
I'm not sure what your health presicament is but there are a couple of R,s here, PiPi's on candida and another on a lifelong skin ailment that was eliminated when UT was done.
The investigation goes on.
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- Re: Is it a must to avoid meat w/ UT... #76749
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This is a reply to # 1,106,090
I've been on high protein/Atkins style diet for two years - per my medical clinic. I've read all the garbage about not eating meat while on UT and for me it's plain baloney. It's when I go off of the Atkins style and eat carbohydrates that my urine loses it's light, easy taste. I've been doing UT for about three and a half years.
My suggestion is to begin UT slowly and give your body time to adjust. You may have limited diarrhea and other side effects in the beginning but after a week to ten days your urine will smooth out and from there you will be able to tell what adversely effects it just from its taste. It's an excellent form of bio-feedback.
Books? I have several. Two favorites:
1. The Water of Life: A Treatise on Urine Therapy, Armstrong. He's a naturopath who cured everything from cancer to diabetes and loads of stuff in between. It's about UT fasting. The case histories are from the 1920s but are just as applicable today as they were then.
2. The Golden Fountain: The Complete Guide to Urine Therapy by Coen Van Derkroon is a classic and a must read as an excellent introduction.
Your Own Perfect Medicine is a good book if you can get it for free, but it's a waste of money. I don't like Martha Christy's protocol, but you can't deny the results. It's an el cheapo production.
An excellent video is "Urine: Good Health" which is sixty minutes long and has a few testimonials as well as medical doctor comments. It includes a guy with AIDS who went completely off of prescribed meds to drinking pee and his HIV markers went way down, and he felt much better and even gained weight. There's also a bit about a guy who injects urine. Other good points too. I have family who I've told that I'm on UT and by loaning them this video they at least understand what's going on.
It took me a year to take the plunge. I read the books, but the video did it. I'll never quit - the results are just too beneficial.
Best to you in however you do it.
- Re: Is it a must to avoid meat w/ UT... josephr525
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This is a reply to # 1,108,957Hi,
Thanks for the reply and book recs. I'm getting the Golden Fountain book. Will get the other one too one of these days.
I've only been on UT for 5 days now. The 1st day I drank a whole pint of 1st urine and it made me ill. 3rd day I drank only 2 TBS but felt feverish, achey, nauseous, etc., and quite sick for 4-5 hours. Yesterday I took 4 TBS and had much less noticeable symptoms. Today I sipped a little over 1/4 cup. It may have been me but I noticed it tasted a lot milder today. It had been more bitter the other days, I thought. I'm wondering if it was because I ate a bunch of fruit yesterday - a whole big papaya, half a cantaloupe, etc., for lunch. I usually eat proteins 3 meals a day, with grain or vegetables. From now on I think I'm going to eat lower carb vegs with my proteins.
I seemed to sleep poorly last night, which kind of surprised me, as my sleep improved with oil pulling, inversion therapy, etc. Is it common to have poor sleep in the early part of UT?
I took 4 or 5 drops of home made homeopathic urine formula I made late yesterday afternoon. Last night I seemed to feel nauseous and my stomach was making a few noises. How does the homeopathic drops differ from drinking urine?
I definitely don't think I should stop eating animal proteins but reducing them is very possibly a good idea for me. Food combining and the Pro-Vita! Plan or the Caveman or SCDiet all make better sense to me now, now that I'm doing more things to get rid of the toxins in my body.
What kind of benefits do you get from UT?
I really believe in the concept of UT. I love bargains, and the price of UT is $00.00
and it makes so much sense on paper. I have had nagging health problems for years that I would LOVE to take control of. I spend a lot on hair mineral analysis tests, and the minerals to take - at least $170 every 2 months, and the test was $150. I've been unable to absorb copper. I believe that UT could do a lot to help balance my mineral levels. I like being independent. I'm far from rich and I hate to spend he money I do have on expensive tests that I may not really need.
I went to a holistic MD last fall, that cost me $300, and I haven't even followed up on that! She prescribed tests for me by Genova [formerly Great Smokies Diagnostic Labs GSDL] that would cost me $629 out of my own pocket, and I have still not had the blood drawn for them yet. It's supposed to test my fatty acid levels, amino acid levels, etc.
I just don't know if I want to spend any more money on my health unless I'm positive I'll get a return on it. Powerful and inexpensive therapies like UT and Miracle-Mineral-Supplement make me really wonder if I need any more tests. I eat many organic foods, live very clean and take great care of my body.
Joe
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This is a reply to # 1,109,201
"Is it common to have poor sleep in the early part of UT?"
I have found that if I drink my urine beyond 5 PM that I have difficulty sleeping. From what I've read, that is common. So, I generally don't drink it beyond 3 PM. Why is that so? Don't really know.
"I took 4 or 5 drops of home made homeopathic urine formula I made late yesterday afternoon. Last night I seemed to feel nauseous and my stomach was making a few noises. How does the homeopathic drops differ from drinking urine?"
Don't have any information about homeopathic drops.
"What kind of benefits do you get from UT?"
Well, at the risk of being repetitions: 1) pre-cancer on my scalp disappeared (they had to be burned off prior to UT - every six months for 5 years previously - they completely went away in 8 months, lip pre-cancer too - all verified by a dermatologist); 2) decades fight with athlete's foot ended within 2 weeks, the fungus is in one's blood stream; 3) night blindness ended; 4) can't remember the rest, but there were a few more too.
For me it's so worthwhile that it is permanent.
- Re: Is it a must to avoid meat w/ UT... josephr525
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This is a reply to # 1,109,293Glad to hear it!
I'm not sure but UT may be helping my digestion. My BMs are now formed better and it doesn't feel like I emptying my whole GI tract when I have a BM. It also may have to do with the fact that I quit eating grains, or even that it's been a month since I quit taking Stevia. Stevia caused me to get loose stools and it took a while to get over. I have a hunch that UT is helping more than the other things though. I also had a hunch that sooner or later UT would be worth the inconvenience.
Any idea why my urine tasted less bitter today? I'm eating more alkaline foods lately, because therapies that kill of pathogens seem to lower the pH. I know that Miracle-Mineral-Supplement does. Sorry if I'm asking too many questions.
Joe- Re: Is it a must to avoid meat w/ UT... #76749
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"Any idea why my urine tasted less bitter today? I'm eating more alkaline foods lately, because therapies that kill of pathogens seem to lower the pH. I know that MMS does. Sorry if I'm asking too many questions."
You're in the early stages of body adjustment to UT, so the taste may change from day to day. Where I'm at is that my diet is quite stable in the types of food the I ingest and therefore (I think) that the taste is consistent. Then when I eat something outside of my normal diet including grains, it changes the taste of the urine. You will soon find that out for yourself.
I convinced my vegan granddaughter to go on a no grain diet and she did. She is not over weight but lost 10 pounds in 5 days with no other changes in life style.
I was six weeks with MMS getting up to 15 drops twice a day. All it got me was fever and the worst head cold I've had in years. MMS is the misrepresented elixir of a guy who's making money off of it. Nobody makes money from UT. As far as killing pathogens, UT has cured cancer including my pre-cancer lesions. It killed my athlete's foot fungus from the inside out - something that was totally unexpected. Armstrong's book shows that it can kill cancer and many other ills as well. So that answer's it for me.
- Re: Is it a must to avoid meat w/ UT... josephr525
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This is a reply to # 1,109,377I had been on Miracle-Mineral-Supplement for a week or two when I stated reading about UT. I'd heard of it many times before but wasn't aware of how powerful it can be. I had bad cases of loose stools on Miracle-Mineral-Supplement , and on small doses. The first one came at 2 drops 3x daily, then again at 1 drop x3 daily. and I've been mineral deficient and have struggled to absorb copper, and when I'd get loose BMs I'd get shortness of breath and other things that made my life rough.
When I read up on UT, I realized that I should swap therapies and possibly go back to Miracle-Mineral-Supplement later. I badly needed to put a stop to my chronic loose bowel / malabsorption problem. It's possible that UT may do all for my Hep C and chronic systemic bacterial infection that I won't want or need to take MMS again. I'm kind of afraid of some of those oxidative therapies.
I know what you mean about MMS. The results people seem to get with MMS are a mixed bag. UT seems a lot safer to me and like an ideal therapy for many things.
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This is a reply to # 1,109,377I'm wondering if the urine may still be bitter but doesn't taste that way to me because I may be getting used to that bitter taste. Bitter things are very good to help balance the body chemistry. I used to take Bupleurum and other bitter things to decongest my liver. People also take Chinese Bitters for some things.
Anyway, I have no doubt that urine is the perfect health tonic for mature people that want to improve their health. I won't tell my sister about it though. She wouldn't even open up enough to try oil pulling, yet she's had a few chronic health problems. If I told her I was doing UT she'd think I was totally out of it.
- Re: Is it a must to avoid meat w/ UT... josephr525
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This is a reply to # 1,108,957I think the reason why they say people that eat lots of meat shouldn't do intensive UT is because they may take in lots of nitrogen waste.
I'm not sure how much UT I should drink. Drinking my morning catch might be a good goal for me to work up to.
Protein with most meals, but not as much for me. Jack Tips ND PhD makes sense about his low stress protein diet. 4 ounces of grass fed beef per meal might be too much. Jack says beef is "high stress" too, and not real easy to digest. I have to say that my digestion does seem to feel better when I eat his way.
I hope I didn't ask you already, but how much of it do you drink daily?
Joe- Re: PS #76749
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I always catch the 2nd morning void because at the time of the first one I'm still waking up, still adjusting to life. On my 2nd void I fill a cup which measures 1 1/2 measuring cups - so, that's my minimum. Many days that's all I ingest, though there are times I'll drink up to 4 and 5 measuring cups full. During these times it seems to suppress my appetite and give me more energy but my days are structured such that I don't do that very often.
- Re: animal protein and lunch rightou... #46892
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This is a reply to # 1,109,320I think I am safe saying that a healthy liver and uncongested system can deal with nitrogen fairly well,not to downplay its affect on the system overall but as an uneducated guess I dont think nitrogen from meat eating would be the reason for the advise to refrain from eating meat, and since the same source advises not to eat greens, I approach the whole matter as an unknown, and also appreciate 7's comments. Three years of reletivly constant use of ut should accumulate valuable data. Course those of us who dont eat meat dont really get into that dialogue so much.
The Barefoot herbalist has shared his dissapproval for UT a number of times, usually using his # here ,( like joes # and name comment elswhere, there is so much basic latent animosity that fuels the commentary on this mini planet called CZ. I dont use my CZ name of Vairagi for the physical forums, cause I feel physical expertise is not my forte nor inclination and so I keep that seperate.) Anyway most recently,mabey a year ago, barefoot wrote about research that revealed build up of a certain compound that was extremely deletarious if UT was practiced. I dont remember its name but the thread can certaianly be found if one wants to look or he could be asked. Mabey archedonic acid , Im not sure, but since our experiences have been so complmentary we didnt look into it too deeply tho I did log a note in response to his.
Its a little telling how #7 uses the word boloney to sum up his investigation into eating meat. Perhaps motivation affecting perception.
- Re: animal protein and lunch rightou... hanna
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This is a reply to # 1,109,983I found out a year ago that my body needed protein. Years ago I had done the Adkins diet (and before that Stillman) and always felt better, but did not know why.
Now I use grassfed and finished meat and eliminated grain and reduced fruit. Feeling much better and got my cholesterol down.
Was off UT for a few months doing Iodine and Miracle-Mineral-Supplement and am now back to UT mid morning and mid afternoon. I do drink a lot of water before taking it. Never have a problem with the taste.
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