Is liver flushing a gimmick? 
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I want to do a Liver Flush and become a vegetarian. I have hormonal Acne and want to cure it if possible. But I've just graduated college and don't have the funds to buy expensive oragnic vegetarian dishes. I need convincing that this Liver Flush will clear my Acne once and for all. The whole story behind the Liver Flush is that it will cure Acne my releasing toxic Gallstones in the liver. But if all of us humans eat the same way and have Gallstones in our livers, from perscription drugs and whatnot, then why don't we ALL HAVE ACNE???? I see bums who eat out of garbage cans without acne, and women who are pregnant who don't get acne. I don't really believe my liver is weaker than the next persons, and that I have to do a series of Liver Flushes to clear up my acne. I NEED PROOF THAT THIS IS NOT A GIMMICK BEFORE I INVEST IN LIVER FLUSHING!- Re: Is liver flushing a gimmick? msteve666
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This is a reply to # 1,034,592Invest in liver flushing? A buck and a half for Epsom Salts . 6 Bucks for olive or sunflower oil. A couple of dollars for grapefuits. And a day off to let it happen.
No one, I doubt, is ever convinced that this will work. They just jump in with a little faith. At worst, nothing will happen. What part do you think is a gimmick? I can't speak to an Acne cure, but you will see stuff coming out of you. But, also, like any pursuit of health on this board, it is NOT just one thing. You do need to commit to more than just one, however. More than one flush and more than just flushing.- Re: Is liver flushing a gimmick? magma
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This is a reply to # 1,034,602what msteve said.
when i had really bad adult Acne several years ago, a liver supplement helped get rid of most of it, called Livton Complex, by Standard Process. It had liver healing herbs like milk thistle. You can try something like that, but that will actually cost you more money than liver flushing, it will take less time/energy investment. You can find Standard Process online.
Now I have occasional breakouts when I eat a bit of chocolate, or during my period. I have found that hormone levels are one of the first things Liver Cleansing seems to help for me, my period was irregular for many months before the first flush, and with that flush, it became regular again.
you could expect your Acne to get worse for awhile before it gets better during flushing, know that the end result is going to be better than the first detox symptoms.
regarding going vegetarian, i am not so i have little advice, however it's all a matter of priorities, your health is the single most important thing in your life. get as much of your food organic as you can afford, eat it all (do not let it rot in the fridge), vegetables and beans and rice are much less pricey than meat. pricey tofu is not a necessity. i think the main thing is to listen to your body, and if not make major dietary changes, limit the amount of meat, bad oils, etc. in general over-eating (which is very expensive) is much worse than being an omnivore. spoken from the decendant of a healthy woman who cooked much of her food in pork lard and lived to nearly 100.- Re: Is liver flushing a gimmick? magma
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This is a reply to # 1,034,666i'll say from personal experience so far, that Liver Flushing is not a gimmick, i have already seen the following results in 4 flushes, though most of this came about as soon as after the first flush:
- gone from irregular period (2-3 per month) to regular period (once per month)
- stopped getting arthritic knees when I ate eggs (and i eat them regularly now, it's not symptomless, but no more Arthritis pain). food allergies are half the reason i started cleansing.
- i have actually stopped taking my betaine hydrochloride (digestive aid, stomach acid) tablets altogether after Liver-Flush 1, which i used to take w/ every meal. i am unsure whether this is good or bad, but i do not feel any worse now (i used to feel acidic if not taking them).
- felt signs of major mood swings, both worse and better than prior to the cleanse, an indicator that something is happening. anger is supposedly held in the liver, mental health very closely linked. "post-partum depression"/irritability is the other half of my reasons for LFing. In general, I have more loving and patient days with my child now than I did before. Though I was slightly less irritable before the LF, I was also more apathetic during the ok times.
- productivity has increased majorly. i had brain fog, stagnation looming over me. now i can work on a project and see it to completion (if mothering doesn't slow me down, and of course it does!)
- memory improved and dreaming has become vivid at times.
I was afraid to do the first LF, but it was a breeze, and now I look forward to each one to see what happens next.
As far as your question why doesn't everyone have Gallstones or acne, well about 95% of us are estimated (by A. Moritz) to have a congested liver or gallstones, however each one of us will manifest different symptoms. Some will get cancer and not have acne. I found Acne to be directly correlated to either how much bad food i was eating (chocolate! and coffee), or my hormone levels. Both food allergies and hormone cycling is related to the liver, and if the liver is not free flowing ready to cleanse the toxins from the body (including backed up hormones), these toxins will come out of the skin. Some people have horrible eczema instead of acne, while others go on psychiatric medications for their mental illness! It makes sense that the cleansing organs in the body need to be clean themselves to make the rest of the body function properly. I have come to respect and love my liver, it is truly an amazing organ (and a regenerative one at that!)
Good luck whatever you decide. I look forward to hearing from you if you decide to jump on in.- Re: Is liver flushing a gimmick? loren86
17 y
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This is a reply to # 1,034,718Okay, no I see things more clearly. I plan on doing the flush sometime next week, I just needed to know if this was not a gimmick so that I wouldn't get my hopes up. But I do have a question about colon cleansing, which is suggested by A. Moritz: My friend lend me her colosan powder, but I wondered how people can take that in the mornings before work? (wouldn't it give you the runs???) Do I even need to do that if I plan to do the Epsom Salts ?
- Re: Is liver flushing a gimmick? UserX
17 y
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This is a reply to # 1,035,097Hi loren 86. I am just doing my first Liver Flush and I can tell you I think we all must have lots of bugs, toxins and messed up hormones from the congested liver.
For what it's worth to you I have used Dr. Schulze 's bowel cleanser for a long time. He has the formula #1 which helps with constipation (I have never had)and to get the bowels back on track and then the formula 2 with the Bentonite helps to sweep the colon of toxins and debris. I have never used the colosan, but Schulze's bowel cleansers, if you do the formula #1 right, starting out with one capsule then upping it one per day until you get good results, won't cause diarrhea. I can see the need for the Epsom Salts to open the bile ducts so the junk from the liver can pass out into the small intestine. It cleans that out as well as the large intestine.
I don't know anything about Acne except I can get some facial blemishes at times, probably from my badly congested liver. It is important to drink lots of distilled water (half your weight in ounces of that per day) to also clean out toxins. Somewhere I saw something about using Cold Cream for acne, too. Can somebody help me out with the thread? I am new, but wanted to say something that might help you.- Here it is!! :) bluandyelo 17 y 5,909
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- Re: Is liver flushing a gimmick? loren86
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- Re: Is liver flushing a gimmick? hopinso
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This is a reply to # 1,034,592Is Liver Flushing a gimmick? No, it is not. Liver Flushing enhances and enlarges the natural functions of the gallbladder and liver and helps cleanse and decongest the organ so it can function better. A clean liver aids in removal of toxins from the blood and improves digestion.
Will a Liver Flush cure you of Acne forever? No, chances are it will not. Liver Flushing is a process of cleansing the body so it can function naturally and once again become self healing. Doing a single Liver Flush will not "cure" anything anymore than washing your face one time or taking a single pill. Becoming vegetarian may help you in the long run, but it is not a cure-all either. Improving skin problems is not so different from every other method to improve health.
1. Diet should be 80% fruits and veggies, most of them raw if you can tolerate raw eating at this time; 10% animal products or high protein vegetable sources; 10%% grains, starchy vegetables, and sweets. Most people do need a source of concentrated protein, either vegetable or animal, and a few simple carbohydrates for quick energy and for the absorption of minerals. However the primary foods should be vegetables and fruits for their complex carbohydrates which provide sustained energy, and essential minerals and vitamins, plus fiber.
2. Water, drink it throughout the day a few sips at a time. Drinking large amounts of water at one time is likely to stress the kidneys and deplete electrolytes. A huge water intake drunk the wrong way is actually more dehydrating to the body than a smaller amount drunk throughout the day.
3. Cleanses, make sure the colon, kidneys and lungs are all working at peak efficiency. Clogged organs of elimination direct toxic waste to the skin, also an organ of elimination, and that can cause a variety of problems. Keep skin clean, but not scrubbed raw, moist, but not covered with grease, and do not use too many antibacterial products, the surface of the skin is slightly acidic and supports a host of beneficial bacteria that help keep the "bad guys" out. Over zealous cleansing with harsh soaps and antibacterial soaps and lotions can make the skin worse.
4. Special needs, when necessary one may need to do cleanses or flushes to address common problems like liver/gallbladder congestion, parasites and candida to regain a healthy, balanced body.
Don't get discouraged, but be prepared to change your life style and be patient enough to allow your body to heal from within. A healthy, balanced body will produce healthy radiant skin; but it cannot undo years of neglect and poor diet over night. It all takes time. - Re: Is liver flushing a gimmick? marksesl
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This is a reply to # 1,034,592Some say the procedure is bull, and it just makes “soap stones” that closely resemble the real thing; while others say, no it really cleans out the gallbladder. Do you realize what the mathematical odds must be against a procedure producing a perfect imitation of the real thing and at the same time actually produce the real thing. If what the first poster says is true, that a lab verified the output as soap stones, then that’s the end of it. It’s fake. You’re just not going to get both fake stones and real stones from the same process. On another site a gastrointestinal surgeon said it’s impossible to flush out gallbladder stones because the ducts are only pencil lead thin - that if by chance you were able to get a stone into a duct, it would be so painful you’d have to immediately call 911. I therefore have to cast my vote with the first poster and believe it’s all B.S.
In addition, I tried the process myself and it produced no results except that it kept me awake all night going to the bathroom, and I complexly emptied out all the psyllium husk that I had been taking for a Colon Cleanse during the previous five days. I never saw any green stones, fake or otherwise. I should also mention that when I drank the Epsom Salts , I thought I would die from thirst. I had to chug down two liters of water to get relief. Do you realize how dangerous it must be to ingest two tablespoons of salt in only two hours time, then do it again the following morning? It tasted stronger than sea water (I go swimming in the ocean a lot). Surly that much salt in the blood stream can shrink the red blood cells and cause one great harm, including death, if not diluted soon.
- Re: Is liver flushing a gimmick? msteve666
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This is a reply to # 1,035,290I see your posting history only goes back several hours.
The cure for ignorance is education. You should try it sometime. - Re: Is liver flushing a gimmick? bluandyelo
17 y
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This is a reply to # 1,035,290I agree with msteve666, you need to increase your knowledge of this stuff.
I will just add to the conversation, that apart from the fact that these stones have been verified as coming from the liver/GB time and time again, my own personal experience with them is that I can feel them very distinctly exiting my GB, I can pretty much predict the average stone size I will see in the toilet bowl, as they are rumbling out of my GB. Another things is, it doesn't always take a Liver Flush to eject stones. Many people have experienced stone purges during daily life, unexpectedly.
Also, how would you explain the experience of many, that some stones are very hard, while others are soft, some are green while others are red or black, some appear very old and others very fresh, some are compressed into the shape of a bile duct, some have worms or flukes embedded in them and through them, they aften look like what is found in a slaughtered mammal's congested liver etc ect...
Oil and grapefruit juice do NOT enter the GB or liver, so if your theory is correct, which of course it isn't, then this would not account for some of the conditions outlined above.
One more point. If you care to spend some time reading in this forum you will see that many many people have been alleviated of numerous health problems, thanks to this wonderful cleanse, myself included.
And one final point.... some flushes result in hundreds of stones in the toilet bowl, others result in none. If this were a case of saponifiction, then the results would be more or less consistent every time (given we are taking consistent quantities of oil and juice), which all experienced flushers will tell you is not the case.
Peace
- Re: Is liver flushing a gimmick? marksesl
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This is a reply to # 1,035,597Well, I'm willing to give it another try. I've had Gallstones for over 15 years. I've never wanted to part with my gallbladder because that can cause its own problems and of course leaves a scar. I'll try again this weekend and report back. The only problem is the Epsom Salts . I'm going to try a smaller dose next time. I did some calculations and the recommended mix of four tablespoons to three cups of water that is commonly given actually is a little more concentrated than that of sea water, and who would drink three cups of sea water? That can't be healthy. Some sites do prescribe a lower concentration.
- Re: Is liver flushing a gimmick? msteve666
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This is a reply to # 1,035,869The ES concentration is the one thing I never changed, even though I can't stand downing the stuff. I always have a shot of mouthwash standing by. I don't know how lesser amonts may or may not work. Personally haven't seen lower recommendations. Hasn't hurt anyone, yet, that I know of. I stopped the morning ES a long time ago and, now, just use a Salt Water Flush, which in comparison, has no taste. When not flushing I SWF (Salt-Water-Flush) at least once a week. I am cautious to change protocol from flush to flush, only because I don't want to risk wasting the effort on something I am only going to do once every few weeks, never-the-less, my changes have been ongoing and significant - depends of what I read of other protocols and experiences.
- Re: Is liver flushing a gimmick? marksesl
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This is a reply to # 1,035,883There are many variations and some don’t use ES at all. One just says squeeze juice from 10 lemons and mix it with 1 cup of olive oil, drink, and take a walk. Another skips the ES completely, but require a pint of olive oil with lemon juice. I think there is leeway here to lesson the ES and increase the olive oil, which is what I plan on doing in the future.
Anyway, I tried it again last night, but skipped the following morning ES. When I did the previous evening ES mixture (at the usual concentration), I became so thirsty again that I had to drink at least 2 liters of water. I'm not sure what all the water has on the procedure, but I certainly have not read that one is supposed to drink a ton of water.
Anyway, late today I did in fact pass some green stones. I fished a couple out and squeezed one, and it felt just like soft soap and flattened out. This next part sound really gross, but I wanted to see if they were actually just congealed olive oil, so (after giving one a good rinse) I bit down on it a little with my front teeth and tasted it with the tip of my tongue to see if it tasted like olive oil. However, it did not! It was move like wax, candle wax. I've heard that Gallstones are made primarily of cholesterol and that cholesterol is waxy. Well, this was indeed waxy right down to its taste. I'm not completely convinced, but I'm starting to believe. After I do a few more liver-gallbladder flushes, I'll have a sonogram done to see if there's been any change in my GB.
- Re: Is liver flushing a gimmick? marksesl
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