What the hell is with the audio on Dogma Debate? Are you recording these episodes on IPhones via a conference call? Even your commercials start at one volume and end at another...   [End]
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Evangelical ministers could use a little bit of training in that.  (A guy who has several close relatives who are evangelical ministers.)  But that might disrupt their little world of absolutes.   [Image Embedded Here]   [End]
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Diplomacy - Being able to tell someone to go to hell in a way that makes them look forward to the trip.   [End]
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Jury Awards Over $100 Million in Faith Healing Wrongful Death Suit Wrongful death due to religion: Faith healing killed Misty Horner December 25, 2012 By idoubtit A rejection of modern medicine resulted in the death of a young woman from childbirth (and her child). The family sued her husband, his brother and a midwife who were members of a church who believed in faith healing. The jury was unanimous in their verdict against three, but you can’t bring Misty back. Can we eliminate this kind of backwards, irrational thinking? The jury sent a powerful message. Jury Awards Over $100 ...
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Thank you for responding. Here is a reply: 1)”unproven assumptions that are eventually accepted as unquestionable truths”. First, ”unproven assumptions” according to whom? And ”unproven” based on what criteria? 2)”The result is, wasted time and resources believing in unproven fantasy.” Again, related to the above, ”unproven fantasy” according to whom? And based on what criteria? Thank you for both your time and attention.   [End]
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Dogma is basically unproven assumptions that are eventually accepted as unquestionable truths. The result is, wasted time and resources believing in unproven fantasy. Further understanding could have occurred but rigid dogma prevents it.   [End]
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This chat forum has been dead for over two years. It needs to be livened up again. So permit me to apply some intellectual CPR to said dead forum. Why the opposition to the very concept of ”dogma”, as I have read in past posts to this forum? What is it in the very concept of ”dogma” that has certain folks here on Curezone up in arms, so to speak? Thank you all for your time and attention.   [End]
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Having read those ”lyrics,” I am now dumber. Thanks. And a group of black thugs grinding all over some white whore shows alot of things, none of which are mutual racial ”love.” What a joke.   [End]
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Devide and conquer seems to be the agenda these days ! Pit one group against another and bask in the covert waters of romanism! Why did the Roman Catholic church support nazi facsisim? Good propagandist in the roman/nazi tradition. Why is it that policymakers, pundits, and politicians (both inside and outside of the Church) latch on to the ideas of such thinkers as Huntington and Jenkins? Could it be that their theories fit the worldviews of those who rely upon the oppositional constructs and dualistic thinking of the modern mind? Life is so much more secure when we know who the bad ...
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interesting paper on ”fringe” and ”cult” religeons. long. it’s good to know the history of how these groups have been received in the past. The Great Anti-Cult Scare 1935-1945 Philip Jenkins, Penn State University (A paper presented at CESNUR 99 conference, Bryn Athyn, Pennsylvania.Preliminary version.© Philip Jenkins, 1999. Do not reproduce without the consent of the author) During the 1970s and 1980s, fear and hatred of cults became a prominent part of American social ideology, and even today, we are living in the aftermath of that tumultuous movement. Still, though a great dea ...
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more white supremacy propaganda from Icky ! from a fascist site with columnist like pat buchannon and jerry fallwell! the spirituality of the new world order ! lolol yah god forbid the likes of jesus and buddha should gang up on the world ! lololol! this is the kind of stuff that mocks humanity itself, a pure fired nazi peace of junk!   [End]
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what is your problem chaz? quit stalking me. it’s getting rather annoying.   [End]
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One-world religion on its way? ’False Dawn’ exposes powerful, secretive movement for new global faith -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted: June 14, 2005 5:00 p.m. Eastern © 2005 WorldNetDaily.com What do George W. Bush, George Soros, the Rev. Sun Myung Moon and the Dalai Lama have in common? All have thrown their support to the United Religions Initiative. And what is the URI? According to a new blockbuster book, ”False Dawn: The United Religions Initiative, Globalism, And The Quest For A One-world Religion” by Le ...
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Ah, but what if, instead, your ’dogma’ trashes his/her karma? What then dear neighbors? What then?   [End]
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God inspired Joseph Smith, who inspired Dr. Christopher, who insprired the fantastic and amazing Dr. Richard Schulze. That is the bottom line of some of the greatest health truths on earth at this period in world history....and curezone is an example of people doing the most Christlike thing possible..loving thy neighbor as thyself by sharing truth. man of truth   [End]
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I agree with the both of you, and I think that it is so wonderful to hear people coming together to look for a peaceful solution rather than trying to make someone see it your way...or else. In a philosophy course I took at college not too long ago one of the first things I learned was that we need to question our everyday values and assumptions. Looking at my generation I see that not many people my age have the want and desire to do this. It’s just so easy to let the media and the government tell you what to do,what to buy, and what to believe. We act out of pure emotion, not fact bas ...
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Lori, this is so good to read your response! I really think this is the way to go, with individuals figuring it out for themselves[morality, etc]. In getting this great feeling of coming together and agreeing on this with you Lori, I am reminded that ”grouping up” is the root of the problem. I better avoid the urge to say ”lets create a document to tell the world our great idea”, which would then become the focus to defeat the idea by the opposing dogmaticsisers.[word?] quoting you : ”I hope that people will see the compassion of helping others out and not care ...
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Hi, Karlin I got off on a tangent there speaking to the conflict. Regarding your comments that identifying yourself under a dogmatic group will encounter resistance as well, I totally agree. When I think of this huge transformation of cultures and planet, I have a vision of us doing it individually. Person by person, family by family, works its way up. We don’t need to call ourselves anything.....labels are limiting. I hope that people will see the compassion of helping others out and not care so much about the details of religious following, etc. It’s harder to annilihate you ...
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Hi, Karlin Dogma is the way of a tribal society that you and I, and countless others, are growing out of. We don’t need it anymore. We are transitioning from a tough physical survival to one that can support broader spiritual life. We have questioned the contradictory dogmatic beliefs, listened to our hearts, and have a different answer. Love, individuality, freedom, support, acceptance of all, embracing, etc. You say ”Without respect for each one of us, there will continue to be conflict.”. What I hear from that is that ’we’ must gain ’their’ respect for resolution. I don’t ...
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First thing that came to mind.... spiritual depending on your take on the word. I use it free of any other connotation other than ’living with spirit’ (my own that is) What you describe is quite the Natural order of living by one’s heart.   [End]
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I concur with Deb and Grog......Love and compassion!! and Love is all there is.....so who needs dogma!!!   [End]
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We are free to choose our path.   [End]
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quote ”It is of no importance during our physical life whether God exists or not if one so chooses. Whether or not one believes in a spirit or God really makes no difference to God. Righteous living will determine the continuance and destiny of our spirit/soul.” I love it. I live it too. I do not need to ever consider god in all my life, or what god thinks of me, because he does not. To extend that, I can believe that there is NO god, and nothing will change in my relations with god. And we don’t know if there is or is not actually a god, but we sdo know that there are ...
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quote ”It is of no importance during our physical life whether God exists or not if one so chooses. Whether or not one believes in a spirit or God really makes no difference to God. Righteous living will determine the continuance and destiny of our spirit/soul.” I love it. I live it too. I do not need to ever consider god in all my life, or what god thinks of me, because he does not. To extend that, I can believe that there is NO god, and nothing will change in my relations with god. And we don’t know if there is or is not actually a god, but we sdo know that there are ...
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quote ”It is of no importance during our physical life whether God exists or not if one so chooses. Whether or not one believes in a spirit or God really makes no difference to God. Righteous living will determine the continuance and destiny of our spirit/soul.” I love it. I live it too. I do not need to ever consider god in all my life, or what god thinks of me, because he does not. To extend that, I can believe that there is NO god, and nothing will change in my relations with god. And we don’t know if there is or is not actually a god, but we sdo know that there are ...
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That is a very thorough overview of new age and religious practice daizy. Good stuff! {I have a question at the bottom for you, in case you don’t want to read all this first!] For me, I would take just the first part of the defintion of Karma: ”Karma: The good and bad deeds that we do adds and subtracts from our accumulated record” The whole definition is this [from daizy post]: ”Karma: The good and bad deeds that we do adds and subtracts from our accumulated record, our karma. At the end of our life, we are rewarded or punished according to our karma by being reincarnated into ...
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dictionary : dog·ma ( P ) Pronunciation Key (dôgm, dg-) n. pl. dog·mas or dog·ma·ta (-m-t) A doctrine or a corpus of doctrines relating to matters such as morality and faith, set forth in an authoritative manner by a church. An authoritative principle, belief, or statement of ideas or opinion, especially one considered to be absolutely true. See Synonyms at doctrine. A principle or belief or a group of them: “The dogmas of the quiet past are inadequate to the stormy present” (Abraham Lincoln). ---------------------------------------------------------------- ...
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A soul is hard to define. It is like your personality and conscience outside of your body. A good analogy is that your soul is the driver and your body (including your brain) is the car (this is my interpretation and not a biblical definition - so it could be dead wrong!) You know you have a soul if you seek direction - as the driver directs the car to a destination; the soul directs the person towards God’s will. If your have the breath of life in you; I believe you have a soul. This is completely interpretive, as you could appreciate! Repentance is the rectifiction of wrong you h ...
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Introduction: The New Age Movement is in a class by itself. Unlike most formal religions, it has no holy text, central organization, membership, formal clergy, geographic center, dogma, creed, etc. They often use mutually exclusive definitions for some of their terms. The New Age is in fact a free-flowing spiritual movement; a network of believers and practitioners who share somewhat similar beliefs and practices, which they add on to whichever formal religion that they follow. Their book publishers take the place of a central organization; seminars, conventions, books and informal groups ...
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Ya, I have seen them too. The loudest ones, with the ’strongest’ messages, using the most fear-tactics, etc. etc. are sure to be the most phoney. I grew up in a house where they were more ’real’, in that they actually did read the bible and lived by the rules as laid out by their parents,my grandparents. They did not play cards as children, a Lutherian idea I think. But then they did cave in, and even the women played cards by the time I was born. Shocking! The big deal with them both is GUILT. Lots of guilt, guilt as the main motivator on what to do next, how to live. ...
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it sure is interesting!!!!!! My dogma is pervasive everyone wants peace as long as they control and define it. Why?____________________ love charles   [End]
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Hi, everyone want peace, as long as they control it. Do you have a simple example indicating otherwise? _________________ love charles   [End]
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to simplifiy your words everybody wants peace as long as they control it. What % or your life, thoughts, habits, culture, indicate otherwise____________________? be emperical please if you have a simple example that indicates otherwise please email it to me   [End]
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Can our subconscious, our spirit, interact with a spiritual reality through meditation? Please consider my experiences.(I would love to see some artist’s rendering thereof) IMHO, I have personally experienced my spirit leaving my body and being united with the ”ultimate supreme spirit” (God?). In 1956, when I was fifteen years old, I had pneumonia and thought I was dying. My father took me to a doctor who gave me a penicillin injection and recommended immediate hospitalization. We had no medical insurance or money, so my father took me home to recuperate. I remember the drive home ...
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Human fallibility and misconceptions have labeled God for the past several millennia as one who interferes with the natural forces and free will of people by threatening punishment to those who disobey his bidding. The spiritual existence of this deity, if one decides to accept this premise, could not have changed with the times but the perception of who or what this deity is should change as societies eliminate their superstitious beliefs. Logically this God could not possibly be encumbered by human attributes and needs or desires to be worshiped, prayed to, exalted, venerated, deified, o ...
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My Karma ran over my Dogma. My Dogma is dead now   [End]
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Your views ring true to me. If you want to visit a forum where many diverse spiritual views are appreciated and supported you might vist the Spiritual Forum(New. I like what you said about life being about learning. Your post touched me. Welcome to the CureZone. Spiritual Forum   [End]
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”it doesn’t matter what you have faith in, what matters is that you have faith” - this is what Serendiity said in the film Dogma (acually how i found this forum). However once here, and realising that it wasn’t what I was looking for, i could not help but continue to read. the thing which i do not like about christianity is that you say ”there is only one god, and thats it”. Basically giving the impression to those not with the same beliefs that you are a dumbass, or just not as great as us, because you don’t believe what we do. I did not post this message to say ur religion is a b ...
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what are some enlightening topics J.S. has opened up for you?   [End]
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I try to slog through religious texts and draw light from it. If any religious text tries to put more weight on me instead of lightening my load...I usually choose to pass...   [End]
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I try to slog through religious texts and draw light from it. If any religious text tries to put more weight on me instead of lightening my load...I usually choose to pass...   [End]
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I try to slog through religious texts and draw light from it. If any religious text tries to put more weight on me instead of lightening my load...I usually choose to pass...   [End]
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Hard to judge someone else’s experiences from our own unique vantage points. One man’s truth is another man’s joke. What would be cool is to have the insight to pull it all together and make sense of all spiritual paths. I think were all working on that to some degree. We’ll get there.   [End]
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The Joseph Smith comment was tounge and cheek. and maybe there really are six foot men with quaker hats on the moon : ) I believe J S does have some interesting things to say about the Mayans.   [End]
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There is much to be learned by listening to everyone...even Hitler. Fear is the number one emotion that supresses enlightenment.   [End]
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Joseph Smith spoke personally with 33 resurrected beings. Pretty heavy spiritual experiences....and by the way he received the revelation that started Dr. John Christopher on his healing journery...and he was one of the inspirations for Dr. Schulze...so JS is not to be taken lightly. I do not go to the Mormon Church on Sundays, yet there is much to be learned about many things from Joseph Smith. Just read the revelation that inspired Dr. John Christopher sometime...it is eye opening.   [End]
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If it is the Book of Mormon, Joseph Smith also believed there were six foot tall men on the moon who wore Quaker Hats...qouted in the late 1800’s in a Southern Magazine... The Book of Mormon was written hundred years after Christ walked the earth... I would consider any witness of an event that happened hundreds of years before the event happened of questionable reliability. I will still read the Bible with Eyes wide open and see what the New Testament has to say about Jesus. Discounting something because it sounds fantastic is like discounting a Fantastic God. hehehehe   [End]
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Didnt that teaching come from the Mormons? (Latter Day Saints) Thought they only followed the rules of the book of Mormon not the Holy Bible?   [End]
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I think everyone is chuckling for different reasons. I get a kick out of the notion that we are ”saved” through Jesus or(insert icon here). Talk about dogma. I think you’ll get as many opinions on the Bible, or any other teachings, from various cultures around the world, as there are people in the world. Who holds the key to the correct interpretation of any scripture from any book anywhere...especially considering that they may not be ”divine” in the first place? My thoughts to date...no soul mining going on...never a need to be ”saved” cause we’re here just to experience what we ...
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I couldn’t help but chuckle...sounds like heresy to me... but I hAVE read the bible many times and some of the stuff they(the dogmatic) say and don’t say are amazing to me... I will re-read the wedding story again and open my eyes...The Rabbi thing is pretty interesting info also... Sure makes me think....but it would truly be stunning to discover that Jesus was married? I will check it out...   [End]
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I enjoy your posts also. I enjoy exchangind ideas with thinking people. You can do your own poll and see how many Christians know the elemental truth that Jesus was married with children. Since I know you are open to sources outside the Bible, I will quote Aurelius Celsus, ”The grand reason why the gentiles and philosophers of his school persecuted Jesus Christ was because he had so many wives; there were Elizabeth and Mary and a host of others that followed him.”   [End]
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Isaiah saw our time in vision. This verse and many others of Isaiah are so right on that they seem like inside information. Isaiah 59:14 is a good example of this in the KJV translation. Jesus was married and had children. It is in the NT and also can be found in sources completely outside the Bible. You may know that Jesus was a Rabbi. In Jewish law at the time you had to be married to be a Rabbi. Also, it is interesing to note that the first person to see Jesus after he came back to life was his wife, Mary. Jesus is the master and bridegroom at the Marriage of Cana. Read it ...
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Would you explain, ”everything had gone away backwards” and the Jesus’ marriage?   [End]
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Your thoughts on the first verses of the Old Testament are true. Elohim is a plural word. Isaiah said everything had gone away backwards. He has proven to be right. 99.9% percent of ”Christians” have little or no clue who God or Christ is. Many haven’t even bothered to find out that Jesus was married here on earth. The marriage at Cana is his OWN wedding. By the way God is married also...that is why God is both male and female. The first chapter of the Bible has tons of truth in it, if people will only see and stop depending on others to ”interpret” truth for them.   [End]
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If I had not seen heaven myself...with streets of gold...I might agree...but I have.... I would ditch the fear and hate by intimidation... though...God is loving kinndness....my faith..turned my religion...my life... when I add fear or judgement...I am walking on a slippery slope....but even if I fail and fall in...the arms of love await...for me.....& even you....   [End]
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If I had not seen heaven myself...with streets of gold...I might agree...but I have.... I would ditch the fear and hate by intimidation... though...God is loving kinndness....my faith..turned my religion...my life... when I add fear or judgement...I am walking on a slippery slope....but even if I fail and fall in...the arms of love await...for me.....& even you....   [End]
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If I had not seen heaven myself...with streets of gold...I might agree...but I have.... I would ditch the fear and hate by intimidation... though...God is loving kinndness....my faith..turned my religion...my life... when I add fear or judgement...I am walking on a slippery slope....but even if I fail and fall in...the arms of love await...for me.....& even you....   [End]
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Religions of fear and hate - meme theory and memetics. http://home.btclick.com/scimah/ Memes - the skeptic’s dissection of religion Among many anthropologists, sociologists and philosophers, it has recently become fashionable to dismiss all religions as memes - parasitic mental processes which propagate in the same manner as chain letters [Dawkins 1989, Dennett 1995]. In this view, religious belief is a self-perpetuating delusion. A meme (rhymes with ’dream’) may be defined as any self-referential belief system which contains within itself the instructions for its own propagation. M ...
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Thanks for the compliments. =) Yes, I’m a happy comfy mutt pagan, but, not trying to be too nitpicky, actually, or technically, I wouldn’t call myself a non-believer so much as an uber-believer (Thanks, Neitzsche!) I do believe in God, but my God is too expansive to fit in any one ’box’/religion. Jesus is cool. Then again, so is Buddha. And Kali Ma is one serious tough mama. And I’m particularly drawn to Gaia. But no labels or words adequately describe the whole essence of ”God.” Just think of describing a sunset with only words and then how far more _Everything_ is God than that sun ...
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Ali, Anyone using scriptural hand grenades do not hurt me in the least...I walk with Yah(God) most of every day...we talk to each other & nothing mean or condemning ever comes to me from Yah’s quiet voice...I do get suggestions to think again before I say something offensive...but it is not in a judgemental way...Sometimes I don’t listen to that voice & say or think mean things and almost always come under the judgement of the world & men... I most often try to turn grenades into rose petals but when I fail... all hell breaks loose...hehehehe...& rudenski prefers rose petals over my own ...
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I agree with you here, my friend. I also agree that LBSJ isn’t likely to want to come in here where that discussion should have come in ’aeions’ ago. It’s also for crying shame that a person who is a professed non-believer like just_peachy, should have such a keen and thorough understanding of the words and actions of Jesus and Paul, his follower, as opposed to someone who is using the bible as a hand granade.   [End]
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Lets examine this. Personally, I have never seen a duck bark, although it may be possible. Haveing not seen this myself, I accept your notion but would suggest that it falls in the realm of dogma, not being easily proven. However, if cartoons count then, yes ducks bark. This is provable.   [End]
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The Blind following the blind.... I read scripture to build me up...If it translates into me being a more loving forgiving human being and people notice I am a Christian then I hope it draws people to Christ...Cuz that dude is the real thing... I just know it... that ain’t dogma baby... that is some core knowing...but all withstanding....many use scripture to beat up non-believers in scripture...and this is by far the most poor use the greatest book ever written. By the way, Lapis...God is in the Old Testament... Look up Yah in a King James concordance...That is the real Deal... T ...
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It was suggested that dogmatic discussions take place in a suitable forum. I couldn’t agree more. What better place for this discussion to take place, than in the Dogma Forum. Here is the discussion as it began in the Relationship Forum. Let us continue it here. LiveBetterServeJesus Says: ”Corinthians 7:2 Paul wrote ”But since there is so much immorality, each man should have his own wife, and each woman her own husband.” & ” think, after Jesus came down to earth, the Rules lightened up a bit in some areas (sacrifices, food,...wives).” My Reply: Are you saying the god of ...
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*Comes in this forum* *Barks like a dog* *Asks if this is the right place for a duck to bark*?????? *leaves* Blueduck   [End]
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I have been to that church too... This fella is just as mean spirited as any fundie I ever met and believe me I have met a lot of fundies... but replacing one kind of mean with another kind of mean is not my cup of tea...   [End]
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Hehe, I think I’ve been to that church...   [End]
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Good one Lapis !! *Round of applause* Blueduck   [End]
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Excerpted from a mildly amusing site: Becoming a (or passing yourself off as) Christian Fundamentalist Learn certain parts of the Bible by heart; you will discover that many Christians who have Bibles the size of a large wall safe are actually very ignorant of the contents. Remember to ignore the many bits that do not fit in with fundamentalism and just concentrate on writings such as John or Romans. Under no circumstances, ever, read James with its emphasis on ’works’. Use completely absurd statements such as ’The Lord is indeed winning lost souls in [state area]’. Learn to call ...
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BLACK EYED PEAS LYRICS ”Where Is The Love?” What’s wrong with the world, mama People livin’ like they ain’t got no mamas I think the whole world addicted to the drama Only attracted to things that’ll bring you trauma Overseas, yeah, we try to stop terrorism But we still got terrorists here livin’ In the USA, the big CIA The Bloods and The Crips and the KKK But if you only have love for your own race Then you only leave space to discriminate And to discriminate only generates hate And when you hate then you’re bound to get irate, yeah Badness is what you demonstr ...
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When dealing with DOGMA the solution is to keep in mind the real beliefs and high self-opinions of those spouting the stuff. Spell it backwards... Laughter is the shortest distance between two people.   [End]
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mistake in my post..Nephelum have no souls....They are sociopath...I think these folks will not participate in an afterlife...In the last Days....there will be many beings with no souls...as in the days of Noah....but all the peeps pointing at other beings with souls...need to to stop being hypocrites and start being stewards...of love....   [End]
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mistake in my post..Nephelum have no souls....They are sociopath...I think these folks will not participate in an afterlife...In the last Days....there will be many beings with no souls...as in the days of Noah....but all the peeps pointing at other beings with souls...need to to stop being hypocrites and start being stewards...of love....   [End]
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There is a God that meets the criteria of God in every manner...Get your concordance out and read Yah...Look up ”Yah” I live as a servant to this being....   [End]
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You know...God does not have a penis...per say...This being is more like your mother...she even forgives mean ole nasty blaspheming....heretics and atheists...if they have a soul(nephelum)and when somebody asks God why Her/His son did such nasty things on earth...God says...Oh not my son...he didn’t do that.....Because God is more like Mom...She doesn’t see your sin...casts it as far as the East is from the West...Dad wants you to pay...Mom...just says...just do good....son...just do good : )   [End]
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You know....I met God....I honestly believe...that God is in the Bible...Old and New Testament....The Being in the Old Tetament that I met is this loving forgiving bleesing kind of god called Yah(Not Yahweh) I only recognize this name as the God I met ....Some times I think the god of this world...Lucifer is often called God as he Yahweh slays children for laughing at a bald man and is called Yahweh or Jehovah as He murders countless bad guys....but that ”God” is not the God I met....I recognize the God I met in a New Testament Scripture...where the being is called ”The Father of Lights”.. ...
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