Re: I'm straight

Dude, being "Determined" is dangerous to the Constitution?  This is another instance of you generalizing.  There is good determination and there is bad determination.  Either way, determination by its self is not dangerous.   Nevertheless, I am hardly a threat to the Constitution or the Bill of Rights.  You give me far more credit than I am worth.

You can be offended all you want.  I know you think we live in a Politically controlled world, but we don't.  I don't.  So if you are minding your speech for my sake, then maybe you should ask yourself why you are being such a pansy.  Stand up for your rights!  Be a man for God's Sake!  If you give up your "rights" in any way then you are letting those of us down who still value them.  You keep saying I am a liberal.  You fail to realize I am all about our rights and independence and sovreignty.  I am very right wing when it comes to matters of the government, hell, I'm pretty right wing on social issues too.  You want to believe that not hating gays or not being a bigot is just for liberals.  Well you are wrong.  I am a family values guy who doesn't hate gays. 

You and I are oil and water.  I have lots of faults, but I do not push the blame for my problems on others.  Its not gays and liberals that are ruining the world or your sense of right.  When you point a finger at someone three of your fingers are pointing back at you.  Think about it.

Your paragraph on love is touching.  Once again though, it is still your conception.  You don't understand that not everyone is the same do you?  What you are saying is very similar to what people say about inter-racial relationships.  "it isn't meant to be that way."  Hey, maybe you just don't get it.  Maybe you don't understand it.  That doesn't mean that it can't exist and be good.   If people choose to love people of the same sex and maybe their relationship isn't "good" in your eyes, maybe it is just the log stuck in your vision. 

Your answers are not surprising.  What I intended to show by asking them is that you hold beliefs (which you claim are nature-based, but you romanticize nature rather than look at its real and true gritty reality) that are extreme.  You also want things both ways.  The mouth is for eating, by function, but as far as you are concerned its ok to kiss with it, yet the genitals must be used in one specific way only.  

Apparently you aren't a tit-man.  Too bad, you don't know what you are missing.  I think many men and women will agree with me here.

So women should have babies?  What if they do not want to have babies?  What if they are not financially capable of raising kids?  Doesn't it seem women are much more than baby-making machines?  Are you against women's rights to choose?  Do you find women working as police officers, truck drivers, farmers, policitians, painters abnormal?

As far as standing in for the non-breeders, please don't, we don't need more people.  Less is more.

You miss the point of why I asked about sex in all cultures and all times.  You claim your views are "nature-based" well then there should be an overall trend, even among humans to act in that specific way.  But in fact humans, particularly men, do not feel sex is just for procreation.  The point is that sex provides many functions and drives people to act in a large variety of ways.  The facts are that families, procreation and love are the most regulated and enforced customs among humans.  That there is a need to enforce marriage, procreation, and fidelity is because those are not the normal and natural behavior of humans particularly of men.   If it were natural to live mongomously in procreative bliss, there would be very little need of custums and laws.

Not that I mean to take anything away from families and love and procreation.  These are sacred and wonderful and beautiful.  They just are not the only sacred and wonderful and beautiful ways to live. 

You seem smart enough to eventually think yourself out of the box you are in.  Not that you have to change all that much.  I do think you might benefit from caring for people as they are.  Even if gays are exactly as you say they are, how are you helping them by condeming them?  How are you helping them by saying they are abnormal?  Can you help them heal?