Re: Ashwagandha or Maca?

Unyquity,

You are wrong with your assumptions and are contradicting yourself. What I do has more to do with natural healing than you will ever understand.

Just because something is extracted this does not mean it is inherently bad or does not work the same. In fact, sometimes you must alter a substance, such as extraction or changing it to a salt, to get the effect you want. For example what do you think would happen if you ate Chinese foxglove as is? Yep, it would kill you!!! That is why it is boiled 9 times in multiple changes of water to render it non-toxic. What happens if you use fresh chaparral, comfrey, coltsfoot or germander? You will develop liver damage from the pyrrolizidine alkaloids. This is why these herbs have to be aged for several months to allow oxidative destruction of these toxic alkaloids! Jack in the Pulpit is caustic unless it is aged for at least 2 years. Again it requires alteration from oxidation to render it safe. Other herbs such as cascara sagrada also have to be aged to render them safe enough for use.

Even when you make a tea or tincture you are altering the plant from its "natural" form. Since when does the water from tea extract every beneficial compound from a plant? Even a beginning herbalist should understand that not everything is water soluble. What about the fibers for example that serve purposes such as treating constipation and feeding the intestinal flora? It is also well known, even by beginning herbalists, that heat can destroy nutrients and even some compounds such as alkaloids in plants. For example, the heat from making a tea will immediately destroy the effects of yohimbe. It will also speed up the oxidation of echinacea, which is already an unstable herb to begin with. So again, making teas alters the plants chemistry. Maybe this is why we don't find hot teas in nature. It is just not a natural method of healing. And what about resins like myrrh that has numerous beneficial properties but it not water soluble? Where does chamomile herbal tea exist naturally in nature? Then consider tinctures. Are you aware that alcohols react with some plant compounds forming other compounds? For example the reaction of alcohol on organic acids can form esters. So by tincturing herbs you are actually changing their chemistry. In fact many herbs are affected negatively by extraction with alcohols. Echinacea polysaccharides for example are denatured if alcohol is used as the extractant medium. And yohimbe's cholinergenic effects are negated if the herb is extracted in alcohol.

Other herbs have to be steamed, fermented, or altered in some other way to derive certain properties or to render them safe. Again, nature is not going to do this, but they work safely and effectively when done.

As for IP6, studies have shown time and time again that the isolate works. So does beta glucan, another isolate. And betulinic acid. And one of my all time favorites quercetin, which I have seen work wonders numerous times in its isolated form.

And if you read my initial post carefully I believe I also made a comment to the effect that it is one of the few times I would recommend alpha lipoic acid. I am not a big fan of most extracts, including teas and tinctures, because I understand synergy and balance. For example, green tea has a little stimulating caffeine, but also calming theanine. Alfalfa contains blood thinning coumarins, but also blood clotting vitamin K. Pau d' arco contains 18 antiseptic anthraquinones and napthaquinones that work synergistically as well as 5 anti-inflammatories that work synergistically. Combine the pau d' arco with chaparral and again you end up with a synergistic effect as the sulfur compounds of the chaparral increases the anti-viral beta-lapachol in the pau d' arco.

As for the distilled water, nature reacts water with the minerals from plants and the earth to give us beneficial water such as spring water and glacial water. To distill water is hardly natural or what nature provides us. The ONLY way you are going to get close to getting distilled water in nature is if you are up in the clouds with a straw sucking it in! As I pointed out the water reacts with many substances on the way down from ozone, to nitrogen compounds, to dust. So the rainwater becomes partially saturated on the way down. It is in no way distilled when we come in to contact with it. So again, distilling water is about as far from a natural thing to do as you can get!

>As for what came first the disease or the organ failure,
>that is also debatable. Not to the greatest and most
>succesful natural healers that ever lived. (Schulze,
>Christopher, Gerson, Kelley, Hoxsey, et al).

So when did Harry Hoxsey ever claim that the organ failure came first? In fact any of these healers? By the way, you need to do your homework better. Harry Hoxsey did not develop the Hoxsey Formula. It was actually his great grandfather, John Hoxsey, that developed the formula after watching what herbs sick horses ate to get better. Hoxsey Formula also contained potassium iodide, a synthetic. And he also used the chemical compounds antimony trisulfide and zinc chloride in his therapies. By the way, I have a copy of Harry Hoxsey's original book he wrote on his therapies and a copy of the hearing transcripts from the 1950s hearings when he was shut down.

As for Schulze, as I pointed out he is old school. If he kept up to date with what has been learned about herbs then he would see some problems with some of his remedies. For instance he committed one of the most common errors in herbal formulating that I see. The use of high tannin herbs in a formulation. And the most commonly used herb with this mistake? Uva ursi. Tannins are notorious for binding with alkaloids, glycosides, and other beneficial compounds forming insoluble complexes rendering them useless to the body. In layman's terms, such a mistake will reduce the effectiveness of any herbs it is combined with. He also uses a lot of herbs that are not for long term use (more than 2 weeks at a time). For example the berberine herbs and anthraquinone stimulant laxatives like senna, cascara sagrada, rhubarb root, and cape aloe. Berberine kills the intestinal flora, damages the intestinal lining and raises blood pressure. Strong anthraquinone laxatives weaken intestinal peristalsis leading to a laxative dependence.

Christopher makes the same mistakes.

Kelley recommends massive doses of isolated enzymes. He also recommends vitamins, such as vitamin C. These are synthetics produced from Sugar and petroleum products. Minerals, in particular colloidal minerals. These minerals come from the shale deposits in Utah and are notorious for containing aluminum, something I thought you were highly against! Coral calcium, which is garbage. Hydrochloric acid (HCl). Actually you cannot buy HCl supplements. These supplements are really betaine HCl. Betaine is a plant isolate, which is then reacted with synthetic hydrochloric acid. Minerals, which are isolated and made in to synthetic salts. Pepsin and omega 3 fatty acids, which are isolates. And CoQ10, which is synthetically produced. So he uses all sorts of isolates and total or partial synthetics in total violation of what you jumped on me for. And yet you call him one of the greatest healers. Does he offer any formulas to help you swallow that crow?!!!

Kelley also claims that we all have cancer. What a load of BS!!! People like Kelley don’t seem to understand the difference between cancer and healthy cell morphology. Furthermore, if we all had cancer then anytime our immune systems got suppressed the cancer would take hold. In other words we would have all been likely dead a long time ago!!!

Gerson therapy includes taking isolated and synthetic vitamins and minerals, isolated enzymes, and isolated thyroid supplements. Again, TOTALLY contrary to your ideology.

By the way, the viral link to cancer has been known and proven since 1910. Any doctor or scientist that disagrees needs to catch up to the research that has proven these facts over close to a century. In fact if you do a little research you will find out how these viruses cause cancer.

>Yes, I know, horsetail contains a VERY minimal amount of >nicotine - I've never heard of it affecting anyone that >utilized it adversely.

I have. Then again I have been working with herbs for a very long time.

>Aluminum (or any other heavy metal) that normally couldn't >cross the blood/brain barrier without the aid of fluoride, >simply can't be healthy in the brain (or the body , in >unnatural forms or levels).

Yet you consider Kelley a great healer even though he recommends colloidal minerals that have been known for a long time to contain high levels of aluminum. Interesting!!!

As for posting on your board, your comment to me was insulting, and contradicting to your own ideology. That is why I responded. So don’t go placing the blame on me. It is just a shame though that you have so much about natural healing that you need to learn but you choose to insult and try to drive me away rather than learning the truth about healing. Among other things I do a lot of traveling to teach alternative therapies and natural healing. You should not be so quick to make false assumptions about me!

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