I apologize for the label, Refreshed. That was a bit much. I did not mean it derogatorily, but rather as a descriptive tool. I should have left it at "very devout Christians". I agree about judging by the fruit of the spirit. To me that means, judge the spirit (our souls) by the actions/results witnessed thereof. Because the very first step in being able to embrace the predominant religious philosophy of this forum is belief in the absolute, unadulterated-by-man-over-the-ages, literal interpretation of the bible as the true word of God, and I just don't share that belief. Rather, I believe in the spirit and intention of the bible; a non-literal interpretation. I believe I recall you once told me that you could see I walk with God b/c I was not duped in by the televangelists, (or was that someone else who told me that? sorry. . . ) It might have, on second thought, been Grzbear?