Re: if THAT'S manipulative than I've got flames coming out of my behind.

I hope you're laughing because you *see* what I'm saying. I consider "manipulative" to be sneaky, passive-agressive stuff. THAT post was none of the above.

"whether the posts you cite are pro, con, or neutral is a matter of personal perspective."

~good point.

"Perhaps the moderators will take this thread and what has been said and expressed in moving forward."

Yes, I hope so.. :)