Re: if THAT'S manipulative than I've got flames coming out of my behind.

"Manipulative ploy? LOL! I thought that that "ploy" was pretty blatant, myself.... nothing manipulative there at all, mon frere."

Sometimes you do make me laugh out loud... :-D

Ratings are much harder to come by in a debate forum than a support forum for many different reasons... a post could be most excellent and a rating could be possible but for a sentence or a single word that may cause the moderator to pause... who knows?

"Darlin', any "R" rating that I, Vulcanel or Trapper has received on this forum was recieved long before the current moderation, as you well know."

Do you know that there was a blanket change in moderators to this forum when the forum split? Could be possible I suppose.

Truth has as many different vantage points as there are people and will appear different to different people dependent upon their individual world view, shaped by their life experiences, and their current position in both time and space. Ask any investigator who has interviewed witnesses if this is true...

My point... whether the posts you cite are pro, con, or neutral is a matter of personal perspective. In addition, ratings in a debate forum, as I have stated, should pay little to no attention to the "pro" or "con" of the issue and should instead, focus on the thought provocation and strength of the post. All four of the posts you mention, with the possible exception of mine (I have no idea if it provokes thought for others) do that.

Uniquity's post, to me does not sow doubt as much as it provokes thought, lots of thought, with lots of questions... There are certainly "pro" Iodine parts to it such as;

"Am I glad that hundreds/thousands of people are being cured from symptomatic diseases by continuing to take iodine..."

I believe that one's enthusiasm for a protocol should be tempered with an equal part of common sense and cause pause/restraint/questioning... at the very least with a developed education/understanding of what the body will be or is going through.

We should be very careful not to deceive ourselves... When we consume isolated mineral/elemental/vitamin therapies we are treating as if with a drug; even if they are concentrated food sources. This is most likely where the bulk of the debate comes from on ANY mineral/element whether people are aware of it or not. For instance, if someone had dangerously low blood pressure, their food, herb, and mineral/element/vitamin supplement protocol would vary considerably from another who had dangerously high blood pressure... it would have too, or it would likely be very detrimental to the individual, perhaps even fatal.

I believe STRONGLY, that supplementation in therapeutic dosing IS absolutely necessary today; and necessary for most people. I personally believe that most individuals, especially those born and raised in cities, need trace minerals and that, one may need more magnesium, another more potassium, still another more calcium... I also think that this understanding must be tempered some with the realization that dosing adjunct supplemental/dietary support and duration will vary with the individual; that the pendulum, if not pushed gently, could be thrown too far in the opposite direction causing as many or more problems than were the reason to start supplementation to begin with.

Moving on...

I did not see where Turiya's post singled out a specific CZ member or skewered the forum... my perception of Turiya's post must be very different than your own; my vantage point is certainly different than your own. I did not read/interpret it as negative at all. It is, as you have stated "VERY well written" and thought provoking as well.

Neo's post was an excellent post directed to help uniquity and others who may find themselves in similar shoes. The post offered some interesting and relevant content in regard to a book by Barry Peatfield, neurotransmittor level analysis by QEEG, and another book titled "Read Mind as Healer by Pelletier".

Neo's post is also pro Iodine in that it states, "Iodine is one way to fix this... with a caveat that, "it is like using a shotgun on a cockroach....you tend to wreck the drywall." Very, very thought provoking... and again leads us to consider the "whole" as apposed to the "part", AND that the Iodine protocol may just not be for everyone to jump head first into. The iodine Supplementation forum strongly supports the adjunct iodine supplement protocols and I read neo's post as but one reason why one would be wise to consider it, including the lead in protocols before iodine is even supplemented... there are very important reasons for this.

And then we have my post, which was specifically responding to beenthere30. You are absolutely right... nothing specifically to do with iodine, it was not even referenced, UNLESS of course, one understands that all the "parts" work together and that "iodine" is but one of many different parts of the "whole".

The iodine doctors are beginning to see this a little more clearly as their work moves forward, evidenced by the adjunct supplementation and lead in protocols.

I heard this today...

"If we wish to heal ourselves, we must heal the planet".

I would go beyond that, but it does bring up a good point... one must treat the whole for complete wellness; again reference the adjunct supplementation protocol. The suggested and growing iodine adjunct supplementation protocol should make this clear to everyone. While one person may pop into the Iodine Forum and research, study, and begin self treatment, and experience what they believe is a miraculous advancement in health and well being, another may just find the polar opposite.

Perhaps one individual had completed all that was necessary and the "iodine" was "the" or, only one of a very few remaining missing links to that person's health journey... another perhaps, still had quite a ways to travel on their health seeking journey and the "iodine" was but a single piece that was not quite ready to be placed into the whole for at least one, or any number of reasons; at least not in the large doses commonly recommended. This is where a more tempered approach would be warranted, perhaps pulse dosing, or a drop or two spread out over the week while other avenues towards health were pursued concurrently.

Moving forward...

Perhaps the moderators will take this thread and what has been said and expressed in moving forward.