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Can anyone advise a depressed nephew please? loquat1 8 y 3,222 † C †
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Can anyone advise a depressed nephew please?
Received this e-mail from my sister, edited for personal details:
X has been suffering with stress anxiety depression for several months now an don't seem to be improving. What r the best meds with the least side effects to take for a short time to help him a bit? Is lithium any good? He needs something to lift his moods. Any suggestions. Hopin to take him to docs this week.
For some context, my reply was the following:
Lithium is prescribed for bi-polar, and has some side-effects. All other depression meds have side effects, some (if not most) quite serious. That doesn't mean that nothing can be done. Look at some of the threads here:
http://www.curezone.org/forums/f.asp?f=27
It also helps to identify the root cause. For example, is he still smoking weed? If so, tell him to quit immediately. It's a well known cause of psychoses. Seriously messes up your brain chemistry, and you don't do that without paying a heavy price. He's prob. got some serious detoxing to do, one way or another.
If he's serious about getting better, one of the best ways is fasting, but that requires fantastic self-discipline, and not everybody can manage it. M/time, he can do a lot to help himself. Proper sleep, exercise, a good diet low in refined carbs but high in fruit, veg., protein and good fats, all help. And tell him to stay well clear of the friggin' weed, or else abandon any hope of ever getting better.
I'll send some more info under separate cover, and probably start a thread for him on curezone later on. He should get some useful advice from experts who know better than me.
So, over to said experts in the wider curzone community. Any other ideas or suggestions out there please?
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This is a reply to # 2,307,766I think you may have it backwards. I definately wouldn’t give him meds. Look how many have commited suicide while on meds. https://www.coloradopotguide.com/colorado-marijuana-blog/2015/ma ....
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I think you may have it backwards. I definately wouldn't give him meds. Look how many have commited suicide while on meds.
There is such a thing as choosing the right strain of cannibus. CBD strains are the medical strains. They eliminate the high, at least most of it.
https://www.leafly.com/start-exploring/curb-depression
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This is a reply to # 2,307,847Thanks for the response InCharge. It gives me the opportunity to clarify a couple of points. Something may have been lost in translation here, but I am most emphatically NOT advocating la ....
Thanks for the response InCharge. It gives me the opportunity to clarify a couple of points.
Something may have been lost in translation here, but I am most emphatically NOT advocating lamestream meds for depression. I am actually trying to dissuade my sister from even considering them coz of the numerous of often serious side-effects. And yes, that includes death by suicide, not to mention being implicated in the US in mass shootings perpetrated by those under the influence of psychotropic drugs.
As for cannabis, the therapeutic use and value of CBD Oil (the active ingredient) taken orally for specific ailments is not in question. Smoking the stuff over prolonged periods for recreational purposes, whether medical grade or not, is.
I should also add that the bi-polar disorder diagnosis is not yet confirmed. He exhibits some mild symptoms of the disorder, but his main problem appears to be anxiety and stress-induced depression. Removal of the root cause of his stress (which I believe is mainly down to money and work issues) will probably go a long way to curing his condition.
The question then boils down to what natural coping mechanisms he can turn to for relief for his condition without resorting to 'standard care'?
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This is a reply to # 2,307,933For what it's worth, I include here advice received from a good friend, just in case others who are similarly afflicted find it helpful: The problem is always the same. Drugs&hell ....
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For what it's worth, I include here advice received from a good friend, just in case others who are similarly afflicted find it helpful:
The problem is always the same. Drugs…..lithium batteries. So that’s covered.
If people who screw up their body don’t want to get to the root cause of their condition then it is almost a non-starter. And I gather as it's your sis who is asking she is possibly more concerned than your nef.
Anyway one routine which is supposed to help with depression is early rise and daily skin rubs with a strong brush or loofa (until skin goes bright red). And check the vitamin D as he might be in need of sunlight. Also very physical activities help as does less time on blue light emitting screens before bed.
But all this is complex as the root cause could be psychological too. Issues at work, or relationship, money worries, gambling, electrosensitivity. Count your lucky stars that you are as interested in health as I am. If it doesn’t save you it at least empowers ya.
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This is a reply to # 2,307,766Hi again Loquat. I see you are still seeking ideas and answers to helping the people around you...especially the people you love. :) I will agree with you that getting the nephew off of smok ....
Hi again Loquat. I see you are still seeking ideas and answers to helping the people around you...especially the people you love. :)
I will agree with you that getting the nephew off of smoking weed is beneficial. Even though I feel sure he would disagree due to the fact that it may help with his anxiety, but may add to psychoses.
Since you have chatted with me before, I think you know that I advocate natural/alternative/foods as a way to heal. Unfortunately, some with mental illness are not looking for help that causes them to change their whole way of living their lives in order to feel better. Many just are not convinced it's worth the effort, nor do they have the energy to do so. Because of that, I have suggested to friends and loved one's a step stone approach to healing. It is not what I would call the "best" way to heal from a purist standpoint...but it's a stepping stone to get the most difficult with illness to go to the next step in a purer way of healing.
First off, I want to say I have no affiliation with this company and I do apologize that they can be a bit pricey. However, I have seen them do wonderful things with mentally ill people. So that is why I suggest their website. Also the way the company got started has a inspiring story about a man who has a very large family that was filled with bipolar misery and struggles. It tells of what he did to help them after his wife committed suicide.
Sometimes taking these supplements can be enough to show an ill person that alternative health can cure ailments that are said to be incurable. So once they start doing better, they then can take the next step of a more natural lifestyle.
The website is http://www.truehope.com
The TrueHope story link.
http://www.truehope.com/the-truehope-story.html
Also, I have mentioned before the study of Dr. William Philpott and his research into using magnets as being very helpful with anxiety. Using the proper strength and type of magnet applied to the top of the head or base of the skull can reduce anxiety, insomnia and even Depression greatly.
Hope that tidbit of info is helpful. :)
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This is a reply to # 2,307,959Thank you very much refreshed. Yes, I do my best to help those I love. Isn't that one of the main driving forces that makes life worthwhile and worth the living? Those links look both ....
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Thank you very much refreshed. Yes, I do my best to help those I love. Isn't that one of the main driving forces that makes life worthwhile and worth the living?
Those links look both interesting and very helpful, and I'm sure mom is taking note. I've linked her into the thread so she can follow the discussion.
Thanks again for taking the time & trouble to contribute some excellent ideas.
Live long and prosper, and may you avoid The Donald Trap.......err, sorry, Trump.
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This is a reply to # 2,307,766Received this useful info from the friend mentioned above, which hopefully might benefit others as well: Negative ion Generators: 1. Studies show high levels of negative ions c ....
Received this useful info from the friend mentioned above, which hopefully might benefit others as well:
Negative ion Generators:
1. Studies show high levels of negative ions can be as effective at treating Seasonal Affective Disorder (SAD) as commonly prescribed antidepressants (obviously discuss any medication changes with your doctor).
2. Improved energy levels and focus. Research at the University of California showed negative ions normalize serotonin levels in the brain, potentially improving a person’s positive outlook and mood.
3. Better sleep. A French study found using negative ionizers could help you to sleep better. This is once again due to their positive effects in normalizing serotonin production in the brain.
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Lithium Orotate whitebear 19 y 33,797 † C †
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Anyone tried Lithium Orotate for anxiety / depression? Would like some feedback on effectiveness.
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This is a reply to # 272,650From my experience which was no effect and others who said it really doent work until toxic level are reached and then they said it as debilitating and took the life out of them altogether! It been ...
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From my experience which was no effect and others who said it really doent work until toxic level are reached and then they said it as debilitating and took the life out of them altogether! It been around forever with mixed results! I also heard it had something to do with potassium level and somehow effecting the electolites! Seems to me a good mineral supplement would be better or at least safer!-
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Lithium Orotate is a mineral.... not a drug. It is supposed to not have any of the side effects of the drug lithium. Were you referring to the drug or to the mineral? Thank you, Kris Logan...
Lithium Orotate is a mineral.... not a drug. It is supposed to not have any of the side effects of the drug lithium. Were you referring to the drug or to the mineral?
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This is a reply to # 272,652All lithium is a mineral ! One that is not assimalated well by the human body! Hence the toxic levels!
All lithium is a mineral ! One that is not assimalated well by the human body! Hence the toxic levels!
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This is a reply to # 272,653then why on my hair test did I have a low level of lithium if its so toxic... its a trace mineral that is supposed to be in your body. I am talking about the natural mineral... not the synthesize...
then why on my hair test did I have a low level of lithium if its so toxic... its a trace mineral that is supposed to be in your body.
I am talking about the natural mineral... not the synthesized form of the mineral. From what my naturopath says there is a HUGE difference... the natural form (orotate) has no side effects compared to the synthetic or aspartate forms.
Did you try the orotate form?
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This is a reply to # 272,654Sorry it seems apparent it does work at lower dosages and is less toxic and safer then lithium carbonate! Lithium orotate Lithium orotate is a type of lithium salt often sold as an over-the-...
Sorry it seems apparent it does work at lower dosages and is less toxic and safer then lithium carbonate!
Lithium orotate
Lithium orotate is a type of lithium salt often sold as an over-the-counter dietary supplement.
It is sold as an alternative to lithium carbonate, and it is available without a doctor's prescription. The amount of elemental lithium in each tablet are much lower than those in lithium carbonate pills. Lower amounts of lithium are used, as the lithium in attached to an orotate salt, rather than to carbon. This allows the lithium to cross the blood-brain barrier more effectively, and significantly reduces the amount of lithium required in order for the lithium to have a therapeutic effect for use in combating Depression and stabilizing bipolar moods. Lithium orotate is sometimes sold as "organic lithium" by nutritionists, as well as under a wide variety of brand names. In reality, all lithium is organic, as lithium is an element. The type of salt which it is attached to makes it different than lithium carbonate. Orotate salts were studied and used extensively by medical pioneer Hans Nieper. It was Nieper who discovered the ability of orotate salts to cross the blood-brain barrier efficiently through the double cell membrane and releases within the cell. The lithium is metabolized within the cell, particularly at the mitochondria. Electron microscope research has been conducted to demonstrate the above functions and processes by Moenninghoff and his collaborators at the University of Munster, Westphalia (1971).
Orotate comes from a biological component of our cells called orotic acid. His patients among many include former United States president Ronald Reagan. It should be noted that self-treatment of a psychiatric disorder without medical monitoring is potentially dangerous. Therefore if using lithium Orotate to stabilize moods, or combat depression, it is very important to work with a medical professional.
There seems to be little evidence for its use in clinical treatment in preference to lithium carbonate. However, many patients use it in place of lithium carbonate, as side effects tend to be significantly reduced. Again, please note that self-treatment without medical monitoring is potentially dangerous
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This is a reply to # 272,656Hello, I have been using lithium orotate for almost 2 years now. I’m bipolar and this helps me from getting too high strung. It works well for anxiety for me but not the depression part. I need to ...
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Hello, I have been using lithium orotate for almost 2 years now. I'm bipolar and this helps me from getting too high strung. It works well for anxiety for me but not the Depression part. I need to take it regularly and might see a difference. I know magnesium glycinate helps me calm down in the evenings too. The lithium orotate works so well for me that I sent a bottle to my friend. It's so cheap and well worth a try in my opinion. ~Carole -
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It would be well advised to consult an n.d. or one who has credentials in determining whether lithium orotate is advisable. It does have side effects. I have experienced a bloody noise (because ....
It would be well advised to consult an n.d. or one who has credentials in determining whether lithium orotate is advisable. It does have side effects. I have experienced a bloody noise (because of potassium deficiency) bloat, slight rash, irritation; also taking whole potassium for anxiety. Just because something appears "natural" does not necessarily become advisable. The BRAND makes all the difference in the world.
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This is a reply to # 272,651I tried lithium orotate and it made me VERY irritable each time I took it.
I tried lithium orotate and it made me VERY irritable each time I took it.
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This is a reply to # 272,650I tried it in combination with another supplement program, but its hard to say whether it did anything for me. I removed the powder from the capsule and swallowed because I dont think the capsule ....
I tried it in combination with another supplement program, but its hard to say whether it did anything for me. I removed the powder from the capsule and swallowed because I dont think the capsule was being digested. Still I dont know if it made any difference. My lithium level on a follow up hair mineral analysis made no change. Its still very very very low. -
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Hi, I've been crashing since the beginning of the year. I have candida and some other stuff that hasn't been diagnosed. I was hypothyroid at one point. Right now I'm getting shortness of breath, numb extremeties, muscle weakness, light headedness, cold hands, trouble concentrating, headache, restless sleep, overreaction to loud noises, and extreme tiredness/falling asleep in bad situations. I just got off of lithium which I was on for over a year, I'm hoping it was affecting my thyroid and things will go back to normal. The worst of the muscle weakness is gone since then, but everything else is still just as bad. My doc only will test tsh and it was normal. I feel like when I had hypothytroidism and suspected adrenal fatigue.
I'm wondering if it's a good idea to try iodine regularly and see if it helps. I took around 50mg of KI last night and my neck is still swollen and hurts a little. It made me feel worse. My doc suggested a gentle detox, GI effects comprehensive profile for my stomach issues, and maca for my endocrine system. He also has me on b complex shots. I take chlorella, oxygen/enzyme/mineral drops, apple cider vinegar, cal/mag/zinc, a food based multi, potassium, flax seed oil, and a probiotic also. I'm not very consistent with everything though.
It's going to be very hard to get much of any testing done, and all my routine lab work has come back normal. My doc said I've already had so much testing that there's not much else he can test for that would be helpful (I don't believe that though).
Does anyone have any ideas on how to approach this and if the iodine is a good idea? I heard it can make hypothyroidism worse in combination with the effects of lithium. I need some kind of game plan. BTW, I get overstimulated and anxious from every adaptogen besides maca, and even a lot of amino acids give me weird psych effects. Let me know if anyone has any good ideas, I need some kind of energy to get through school and work.
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Hi!
You didn't say anything about your background, your health problems? How did it all start?
Were you a healthy person once?
Did you use any medications before you got sick?
Recreational drugs?
Alcohol?
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Prednisone?
Corticosteroids?
Did you use hormonal contraception? The pill?
Mirena?
Have you received any vaccines days or weeks before you got sick?
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This is a reply to # 2,202,785It all started in my early 20’s when I developed urinary pain, brain fog, and food intolerances/tearing feelings in my stomach. Leading up to this was many courses of augmentin and other antibioti ....
It all started in my early 20's when I developed urinary pain, brain fog, and food intolerances /tearing feelings in my stomach. Leading up to this was many courses of augmentin and other Antibiotics , and a huge list of recreational drug abuse. The big ones were opioids and dxm, but I experimented with everything until I was 24. I'm 27 and sober now. When I got sober, I got very sick with full blown candida. Shooting pains, weakness, confusion, dizziness, severe rashes, headaches, huge reactions to most foods besides veggies and proteins, testicular pain, intestinal bleeding, poor coordination and concentration, blood blisters in mouth, thrush etc. I fought it for over a year without making progress. Tons of supplements, antifungals and probiotics, but no overall progress. Always one step forward with treatment and two steps back with food mistakes. It was a vicious cycle of toxicity. In the end of my fight, antifungals weren't doing anything but giving me chest pains and feelings of blockage.
A little over 2 years ago my endocrine system crashed, and I became affected neurologically. My TSH was at 17 at one point. Feelings of extreme lethargy, feeling worse upon waking than I did before sleep, joint pains, overreaction to stimuli, all the adrenal and hypoT stuff. I became dissociated, suicidal, depressed, obsessed with recovery, started having panic attacks and bizzare/paranoid thoughts. I was hospitalized for 10 days and put on an antipsychotic and an antidepressant. They gave me nystatin for the candida and it seemed to clear up dramatically. I was eating cake the last day in the hospital. They resolved my hypoglycemia that I caused with a candida diet by having me see a dietician and forcing complex carbs into my diet. They told me my hypothyroidism had resolved itself. (I was tried on levothyroxine briefly and I got manic and worse thyroid symptoms from it.)
Once I got out of the hospital I got into the gym and gained tons of weight. My battle remained with my neurology for a while and I started feeling better physically. I put physical recovery on hold for a long time because I was so traumatized and scarred mentally.
Since then, it's always felt like the job wasn't finished when I went into this state of near remission. I still have rashes, muscle weakness, brain fog and other symptoms that are made worse by most food. I was worried about my liver for a long time because of the blockage/pressure/drainage feelings I was getting. For at least a year I got a feeling of being dragged down and heavy in my chest with physical activity. That is mostly better now.
I lost my job last October and a girlfriend in Feb and went into a Depression and started sleeping 12-14 hours a day, barely being able to accomplish anything. I had probably been on lithium for 6 months by then. It's stretched on since then and the more I try to get back to normal functioning, the more run down and tired and sick I feel. I'm the best I've been in a long time mentally, but physically I'm crashing.
I've been on every type of psych med there is in the last 2 years trying to find the right cocktail. Finally done switching now.
I did have swine flu right before I got sick with everything.
I have horrible seasonal allergies that can be debilitating.
I'm male so no pill.
I'm not sure on vaccines.
I was always very healthy before all of this, everything happened at once without warning.
My sleep and diet are extremely erratic, I know those are 2 big things that need to be resolved.
I've never stuck with a detox which I'm sure I desperately need because my detox symptoms are severe.
That's about everything I can think of. Sorry it's so long, but you wanted the whole story lol. Thanks.-
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This is a reply to # 2,202,913I also lived in a lot of houses with mold, lead and mildew, which probably has something to do with all of this.
I also lived in a lot of houses with mold, lead and mildew, which probably has something to do with all of this.
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Iodine/unknown endocrine problem.
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This is a reply to # 2,202,773Iodine/unknown endocrine problem.
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Quite honestly, you would probably be better off posting this on the Iodine forum:
//www.curezone.org/forums/f.asp?f=815
or even Dr Jeffs forum:
//www.curezone.org/forums/f.asp?f=766
There are typically no Iodine experts on this forum.
Our good ol' pal Grizz has a document that he links to. If you click on his name it will lead you to his research.
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This is a reply to # 2,202,789the iodine support forum isnt much of a forum. the true iodine info is at the VWT. ”There are typically no iodine experts on this forum.” dont worry. i am here now.
the Iodine support forum isnt much of a forum. the true Iodine info is at the VWT.
"There are typically no Iodine experts on this forum."
dont worry. i am here now.-
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This is a reply to # 2,202,806If you would have clicked on the link, you would have noticed that it pointed to the VWT forum. Good lord, give me some credit here.
If you would have clicked on the link, you would have noticed that it pointed to the VWT forum.
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ok, i see the problem. i wasnt addressing you. l...
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This is a reply to # 2,202,815ok, i see the problem. i wasnt addressing you. lolololol the cross post went to the iodine forum. its not about you.
ok, i see the problem. i wasnt addressing you. lolololol
the cross post went to the Iodine forum.
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Fighting muscle weakness and fatigue.
Hi, So I've been dealing with some pretty heavy fatigue and muscle weakness since the beginning of this year. I am experiencing shortness of breath, light headedness, numbness in hands in feet, shooting pains, quickly tiring muscles, general fatigue, cold extremeties, trouble concentrating, easy bruising, trouble conforming my muscles into certain positions, and headaches. I had bad candida for a long time which has been more under control for the last year and a half, but got very toxic fighting it. Every time I go for bloodwork, everything comes back normal. No lyme, normal cbc, normal thyroid, no anemia, liver enzymes are good. My muscles get weaker from sugar and carbs, antifungals and probiotics don't do anything to help anymore and food mistakes arent as costly as they used to be. The yeast seems to be at a stand still, as if my system is blocked up or something. Currently taking fluconazole, colloidal silver, and a probiotic with no effect. I am on 600mg of lithium which seems to make everything worse. My doctor tried potassium and it didn't work, now he has me starting B12 injections.
Does anybody know what could be causing all this or what I could do to try to get some energy back? The only things I can think to do are to detox and try to clean out my gut with psyllium and bentonite and get off of the lithium (I've never been able to tolerate it). When I got out of the hospital after my course of nystatin a year and a half ago, I was in the gym 3 days a week and getting stronger. I want to get back there, but i can't figure out how. My diet is very healthy and low glycemic/low carb, I do slip up here and there though. I'm wondering if nutritional balancing is worth looking into. Can anyone comment on that idea? If anyone needs more information to get a better idea of what's going on, I can elaborate further. Please help.
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New to forum - need help identifying parasite. #182533 10 y 3,768 † C †
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New to forum - need help identifying parasite.
Would someone please identify this parasite, if it is a parasite?
I'm on day 3 of diatomaceous earth after suffering for years with candida and rectal itching. I have also been taking about 3 grams of vitamin c every day for about 3 months. This is the first time I have eliminated any parasites, except for yeast. It sort of looks like a liver fluke, but I haven't found a photo that looks exactly the same.
Thanks for your help. Any advice greatly appreciated.
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Any thoughts on what type of parasite this is?
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Bugged out: Specimen Looks Like Bot Fly Larvae
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This is a reply to # 2,159,291Bugged out: Specimen Looks Like Bot Fly Larvae
Bugged out -
The ridged, brown color, maggot shape of your specimen looks amazingly like a Bot Fly Larvae - species Cuterebra or Gasterophilus Intestinalis!
Pictures of Cuterebra:
http://squananimalhospital.com/files/2013/10/bot-fly-3.jpg
http://bugguide.net/node/view/271832/bgimage
Picture of Gasterophilus Intestinalis:
Have you been hiking or camping outdoors in the woods in recent months?
The first stage of Cuterebras usually infect rabbits & rodents, but sometimes enter the nose or mouth of dogs & cats, & migrate within their bodies to complete their life cycle.
Other species of Bot Flies (Dermatobia hominis) burrow into the scalp or soft tissue of arms, legs, back, etc, of humans.
But I've never read any case reports about any species of Bot Flies completing their life cycle within the GI tract of humans!#?
Are you sure it emerged from your rectum? Did you check your bum to see if it emerged from one of your cheeks?
Maybe you should submit the photo of your ripply, grubby, maggoty specimen to "Ripley's Believe It Or Not"?
Well, whatever *IT* is, at least it's *OUT* & no longer *IN* in your body!#? (lol)
Cheers - ICU
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuterebra
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dermatobia_hominis
http://squananimalhospital.com/general/bot-fly-larvae-in-dog-in-manasquan-nj/
"There are 34 species of bot fly larvae in North America, their scientific name is Cuterebra. They usually infect rabbits and rodents, although occasionally larvae mistakenly infect dogs and cats. The adult is a fly that looks like a bee, but doesn’t sting. The adult only lives a short time and it’s main goal in life is to lay eggs by rabbit and rodent burrows. The eggs hatch into larvae and are ready to attach to a passing animal to continue their life cycle.
While a dog or cat is rooting around a rabbit or mouse den a larvae can attach to the pet and enter the pet through the nose or mouth. Contrary to popular belief the bot larvae do not burrow through intact skin. The larvae will migrate inside the body and cause one of three syndromes:
1. Larvae can migrate to the brain, especially in felines, and cause neurological signs like circling, seizures, blindness or behavior changes. This is the typical cause of Feline Ischemic Encephalopathy.
2. Larvae can migrate in and around the lungs and trachea causing respiratory signs.
3. Most commonly, larvae eventually migrate to the skin and form a warble, or swelling where the larvae make a breathing hole. (See picture above) The larvae will grow and mature here, then pop out as a maggot 3-6 weeks later to burrow in the soil. In the soil they pupate into an adult fly to continue their life cycle.
Treatment of bots in the skin of pets is simply by extracting them surgically. (See picture above) Oftentimes the opening needs to be made bigger so the larvae can be pulled out intact. If the larvae breaks apart under the skin an allergic reaction can occur. Treatment of larvae in the brain of cats depends on a case by case basis, but usually requires an MRI for diagnosis and a variety of drugs for treatment. Treatment of respiratory cuterebra also involves a variety of drugs.
For more detailed information on Cuterebra in pets see http://www.capcvet.org/capc-recommendations/cuterebriasis"
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Liver detox advice annemariewhit 14 y 4,096 † C †Liver detox advice
I was wondering if anyone could give me some advice. I am interested in detoxifying my liver. The problem all started many years ago. I was made to take a smorgasbord of psychiatric drugs when I was younger (age 14-17). Soon after I turned 17 my digestion went speedily downhill and since then I have not seemed to gain any fat or muscle (105lbs) and my liver oftentimes is in a lot of pain. I have other problems stemming from this. The doctors do not give an answer as to the problem and deny that excessive pills could have anything to do with it. FYI some of the pills I was forced to take were: Effexor, Paxil, Prozac, and even Lithium, plus a couple others I can’t remember the names of.
I have now changed my diet completely. I am planning to try the coffee enema and soon the liver flush. I’m sure these should do the trick. What else do you suggest? Has anyone else had this same problem? No one I know can relate of course because I have had a very special life. Thank you for your replies.
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This is a reply to # 1,561,062Hi annemariewhit, I personally did not have your problem but I know of several people who have had similar problems. My suggestion beside the change in diet is to do a bowel cleanse followed by a ....
Hi annemariewhit,
I personally did not have your problem but I know of several people who have had similar problems. My suggestion beside the change in diet is to do a bowel cleanse followed by a 5 to 7 days of stone softening protocol with coffee enemas then a liver flush.
Please read my blog titled “My challenge” link below.
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This is a reply to # 1,561,169Thank you Propaul. Do you know what those people who had a similar problem were diagnosed as? What bowel cleanse would you recomend that is not particularly dehabilitating? I work regularly and ge ....
Thank you Propaul. Do you know what those people who had a similar problem were diagnosed as? What Bowel Cleanse would you recomend that is not particularly dehabilitating? I work regularly and get up at 4:30am. I still want one that is effective though.
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This is a reply to # 1,561,062Hi annemariewhit - Good for you for deciding to detox your liver, and for changing your diet! I’m assuming you now eat a healthy, high-fiber diet. Is that the case? I agree with Propaul said ....
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Hi annemariewhit - Good for you for deciding to detox your liver, and for changing your diet! I'm assuming you now eat a healthy, high-fiber diet. Is that the case?
I agree with Propaul said about doing a bowel cleanse. Detoxing the liver causes it to dump old toxins into the colon and bloodstream. Because of this, it works better if one does colon cleansing, then kidney cleansing before detoxing the liver. You can read about this in "The Detox Book" by Bruce Fife, ND.
Also, expect some cleansing reactions and possibly some healing crises when your body starts detoxing and releasing the old drugs you used to take. There may be times when you feel worse before you feel better during detox.
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Thank you Tom, I appreciate it. As I asked propaul, what bowel cleanse do you reccomend?
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This is a reply to # 1,561,661I’ve had good results using Perfect Seven. You might want to ask others about their experiences with it and other fiber bulking agents. Look for one that contains psyllium husks. I’ve also had ....
I've had good results using Perfect Seven. You might want to ask others about their experiences with it and other fiber bulking agents. Look for one that contains psyllium husks. I've also had excellent results getting colonics. To learn more about colon cleansing, read "Dr. Jensen's Guide to Better Bowel Care" by Dr. Bernard Jensen .
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This is a reply to # 1,561,270can you please PM me with reply to my private mail box?
Hi Seatle. Surprised to see you here on this forum too.
I'm on adrenal fatigue and NB forums as you remember me.
I read an amazing article on Lithium Orotate and it's safety. A big difference between prescript Lithium and over the counter Lithium Orotate. Dr. Johnathan Wright has a great write up on this and it actually helps to protect the brain and even can rebuild impairments to some degree.
I'm going to talk to my doctor about this, as a possiblity for my Depression and anxiety.
But, back to your info. reply on colon cleansing. Could you suggest a very gentle protocal for this. Since I am in a severe adrenal status still. Have been considering starting with Plain Kefir that has been fortified with the bacterial cultures to start.
Thanks, How are you doing now.? PS> can you please PM me with reply to my private mail box?
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This is a reply to # 1,561,062It’s possible that the drugs you took have no long term effects but many alternative health professionals have found that they can be contaminated with pollutants which can cause lasting problems. ....
It's possible that the drugs you took have no long term effects but many alternative health professionals have found that they can be contaminated with pollutants which can cause lasting problems. Some of these pollutants are verry sticky and difficult to get out of your body so it may require several different detox protocols, liver cleansing, kidney cleansing, diet changes and protecting yourself from pollutants in our food or environment.
Sometimes when we go through a bad experience we tend to think that our problems started with that event. You might want to think back and view your life as a whole - especially ask what triggered your psychriatic problems. Recently Drs have come to realize that most psycological problems are a result of imbalances in the chemistry of the body. What caused that unbalance? It was probably not some outward problem, but some inner imbalance in your metabolism. One possibility is gluten sensitivity. A gluten free diet may help you as much as the detox and cleanses you are planning to do. It may help you to look at some of the Celiac Disease and Gluten intolerance forums and see their experiences are similar to yours.-
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This is a reply to # 1,561,444Thank you for your reply. I actually don’t have any mental problems right now and I’m not sure that I actually did at the time. I had behavioural problems. I was defiant and dissatisfied. I have i ....
Thank you for your reply. I actually don't have any mental problems right now and I'm not sure that I actually did at the time. I had behavioural problems. I was defiant and dissatisfied. I have in fact started avoiding gluten just because I heard that it is not particularly healthy. I do have some symptoms similar to crohns or celiac, but not quite the same as each one.-
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This is a reply to # 1,561,666I am sorry, I did not mean to imply that you were having the problems you wrote about now. I did mean to suggest that when a person goes through a bad time in their life there might well have been ....
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I am sorry, I did not mean to imply that you were having the problems you wrote about now. I did mean to suggest that when a person goes through a bad time in their life there might well have been some metabolic imbalance that resulted in unusual behavior. I probably go overboard in suggesting to people that they be tested for gluten sensitivity/intolerance but so many people don't know they have this problem and Drs are just learning to diagnose it. And diagnosis is not easy as the symptons vary from person to person and the current diagnostic tests are at best 70% reliable. I've had Celiac Disease almost all my life and wasn't diagnosed until I was 70. And it is not that there is something wrong with us Celiacs it is only that something is wrong with our diet. How I wish that somebody had suggested to me that I might have had a problem with gluten, how different and healthier my life might have been.
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Hi everyone......worried about a friend who is (allegedly) bipolar and on a dangerous cocktail of meds:seroquel, effexor, lithium, and lexapro(think). She quit taking her lithium today. Not really sure yet if this is doctor assisted or not.
What is lithium detoxing like? I fear she's doing it cold turkey which can't be good. How worried should I be? She was on 3x300mgs/day.
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