Detox 
faithwins
17 y
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Hi - I am new here but wanted to ask a few questions. I have been on M****tech products for 8 months now and have seen quite a few improvements. I have multiple issues - Crohn;s disease, endometrosis, vulvodynia, infertility, fibromyalgia, and migraines. I have had problems for 13 years and didn't expect improvements overnight. I recently - this past month - increased my Plus because I was having hormonal issues and WOW did I have a reaction. I had major detox for about 2 weeks and now for the past 2 weeks have been nausea with a headache and body aches alternately every other day. Is this still detox - can it last this long? The M****tech rep says it can last a long time depending on the person and what they have been through. Has anyone else felt like crap for that long? I do have a hisotry of having headaches for long periods so I'm wondering if it's just another bout of long headaches. These glyonutrients are so hard to figure out. I am taking 4 teaspoons of Advanced A*****ose and 4 Plus a day. I had 36 symptoms and I am down to 11 - 4 are big ones though. I am hopeful. I am taking much less pain medicine and last month I had 24 pain free days - that is amazing for me! I just wish I could get rid of this detox!
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- Re: Detox musashi
17 y
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This is a reply to # 803,577
It is impossible to know just what is causing your symptoms.
How long have you been on 4 tspns/daily advanced A*******e? Some people are very sensitive to advanced A*******e, and the same for Plus. It is also possible that you are allergic to one or more of their ingredients.Feel free to cut back on either. Try half those amounts on one product for a couple of days, and then the other, and see whether it makes a difference.
Drink lots of water to assist your body's detox, if that is what it is. I have people tell me that drinking a glass of water or a Gatorade causes their headache to go away within the hour. If your bowels are loose, dehydration might be a factor.
I am taking 4 teaspoons of Advanced A*******e and 4 Plus a day. I had 36 symptoms and I am down to 11 - 4 are big ones though. I am hopeful. I am taking much less pain medicine and last month I had 24 pain free days -
It seems that you have had some wonderful improvement in a short time. I would encourage you to continue with what is working, but you are expert on how miserable the head and body aches with nausea make you feel. Are you willing to get better slower? It may be that lesser amounts would ease the discomfort. Try it and see. There is no rule that you must suffer a lot for a long time. A*******e and PLUS are basically food and you should be mostly concerned with what amounts are working, and when they stop working.
Feel free to tinker with amounts. There can easily be a 40 to 1 differential for individuals within a population on how much of a nutrient is needed to support health.
musashi
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- Re: Detox faithwins
17 y
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MoreThis is a reply to # 805,754Thanks for your response. I have been taking 4 teaspoons for 8 months. I put it in capsules and take it 4 times a day. I drink a gallon of water a day with lemon in it. I eat a lot of fruit and vegetables. I have been having some okay days once in awhile. Maybe I am detoxing in cycles. I feel good for about 2 days and then horrible again - very tired, some pain, headache, achy for about a week again. I never tinkered with my doses - taking less that is - I just want to get better. If I need to go through detox than so be it. I know that I am doing my body good by taking this so I just take a lot. Have you heard of people detoxing in cycles like this? I just want to know that I am not alone. Ginamarie
- It's probably hormonal musashi
17 y
2,661
This is a reply to # 806,435
I know that I am doing my body good by taking this so I just take a lot.
I assume that you are talking about A*****ose. Because you got the detox symptoms with the increase in PLUS, why don't you go back to the original dose for a week or so and give yourself a break?... Or halve the difference in amounts and see if that makes a difference? Apparently you were already getting many benefits before you increased the amount. Have you perceived any new benefits at the increased amounts of PLUS, or are you just suffering from the detox symptoms?
The water intake sounds great. Are you using filtered water, at least? It is important to help the liver and kidneys with removing and flushing the toxins. Fruits and veggies, good.
PLUS is designed to provide precursor molecules for the body to make hormones according to its priorities. There are 87 identified hormones, and malfunction with just one of them, insulin, can cause death. People differ greatly with their response to hormone production. I find women to be incredibly complex animals with the ebb and flow of hormones and extreme individual variations of their responses. It applies to men also. There are men who suffer from satyriasis who show low levels of blood testosterone while others, who have much higher than average, are apparently normal. Women on birth control pills who suffer from cramps and clots often stabilize with pills that are 1/50th the strength of a regular prescription. When you tinker with hormones, results are predictible, but still have many exceptions and variations, so you need to observe and adjust. Just imagine what a doctor using horse hormones on human women has to deal with! Add to hormonal amounts the variations in nutritional status with multiple deficiencies and it becomes incredibly complex.
"Detoxing in cycles?" Yes, quite often and especially in women, but I find that women are more likely to be working on themselves and paying closer attention, than men.
My wife initially found that taking PLUS made her feel "wired," so tense that her nerves felt like "guitar strings." After a few months on A*****ose, she found while trying PLUS again that that had passed but she still did not like it because she got angry so easily and had no patience with slow, stupid, or obnoxious people. My nephew found that his sex drive increased tremendously, in his early 40s. A 70 year old colleague found that her period seemed to be trying to revive. An acquaintance reported that he was losing fat and gaining strength and energy. I could go on at length, but I seem to get no effects, even taking 8 a day, except maybe increased irritability.
So my advice is: You take charge of your health. Your doctors, M****tech associate, and others may have helpful advice, or not,... but you are responsible for your life.
musashi
- What do you think? faithwins
17 y
2,493
This is a reply to # 806,671Thank you for your response. I have been taking A*****ose for 8 months and have been detoxing in cycles since then but when I increased my Plus from 3 a day to 4 a day the detox got worse about 1 week after the increase - much worse for about 3 weeks - I suffer from vulva pain - it stems from a pudendal nerve problem which compresses my nerve and is causing nerve damaged so it causes pain in my vulva. I have been getting pain or 13 years but the pain has worsened the past 4 years. Since starting the A*****ose the pain got even worse until the past 3 months - now I get bad pain for about 3 days then no pain but headaches for awhile and then 3 days with pain again - each time the time with no pain in between gets longer - first it was 6 days, then 11, then, 14 and this last time 23 days. Now today I have pain- oh and I get really, really tired and I am achy. I think detox. I really don't want to reduce the Plus or anything I just want to stick it out - I figure if I reduce than it will be longer for better health - why not just stick it out and get better faster - I'm already used to feeling crappy anyway. I just want to feel good and be healthy. If I have to feel bad to get there that's okay as long as I know I'll get there. Thanks for listening.
- What does/do your doctor(s) diagnose... musashi
17 y
2,697
This is a reply to # 807,036
Your history of so many complaints and the multiple beneficial results that you're having sounds quite complicated, but is consistent with many other patients' stories of their benefits from A*****ose. ie Often, I see a patient taking nutraceuticals for cancer (or such) and after a few months, it may be inconclusive that their cancer is improving, but their arthritis subsides, or asthma, or their insulin requirement is considerably reduced, so that they are enthusiastic about continuing. If the immune and repair systems get the support they need, they may turn around terminal illnesses even during the last stages before death. That is what I think....and know from many observations.
Are you taking a good multivitamin with minerals, phytonutrients, immune stimulators, etc as well? The body has many nutritional requirements and a deficit in any of them causes problems or suboptimal operation in systems.
a pudendal nerve problem which compresses my nerve and is causing nerve damaged so it causes pain in my vulva. I have been getting pain or 13 years but the pain has worsened the past 4 years.
Is this a result of childbirth or other injury? Or is it more of a neuropathy? If it is from an injury, have you tried a chiropractic workup, preferably by a DC who specializes in neurological problems? In general, they also tend to be much more open to the nutraceutical approach than MDs. (Just like with MDs, you may need to shop around to find a good one.)
each time the time with no pain in between gets longer - first it was 6 days, then 11, then, 14 and this last time 23 days.
That is wonderful. Was it occurring before you increased PLUS? I see nothing so far in your narrative that the detox symptoms have had accompanying benefits, that you were not experiencing before the increase.
I am also of the inclination that if something is helping me, I can endure a lot of discomfort as long as there is a goal and I expect that there will be an end to the suffering. I am not doctrinaire believing that you must suffer to make progress (No pain, no gain!) and that medicine should taste bad. This is not physical exercise that you must push yourself to your limit of endurance or pain tolerance so that your limits and capabilities grow and extend to new levels.
Meanwhile, I am glad for you that you have eliminated so many problems and are still improving in the others. Pay attention to what is working. Observe and adjust. I suggest that you set yourself time periods to follow a regime, then evaluate your results and adjust as indicated for a next time period.
Generally in this life, pain is unavoidable, suffering is optional. If you have a sense that the increased detox suffering is accelerating your recoveries in your other problems, then I would say, "Go for it!"
musashi
- Re: What does/do your doctor(s) diag... faithwins
17 y
2,555
This is a reply to # 807,743It is so nice talking with you. To answer some of your questions - I am drinking distilled water with lemon - 1 gallon a day. I am taking M****tech multivitamin - 4 a day, M****CLEANSE, Phytaloe - 1 teaspoon a day, AO - 3 a day, Garlic pills - 4 a day, acidocphilos (however you spell it) 6 a day, and flax seed oil - 1 teaspoon a day. The nerve issue - I am not sure how it occurred - not from childbirth. I have been to a chirocpractor and have had no luck. I have been to many chiropractors - I have been to many a doctor - acupuncture, hypnosis, you name it I did it.
Was it occurring before you increased PLUS? - no this pattern did not occur - I was detoxing and having pain a lot but not having long stretches of good days afterwards. This all occurred once I increased the Plus. This is what happened for the first 8 months - I was feeling the same as I was before I started except worse - the pain was worse and I got more headaches and was tired a lot more. I was having less good days than before I started for the whole 8 months. I never got the more energy that every body talks about - I just got more pain and crappy feeling. I increased the Plus and felt even worse for awhile and then the pain got better but I felt nausea and had headaches every day but noticed the stretches of pain getting further apart. Do you think I should increase the Plus any more? or will it just make the detox worse? I heard that some people increase and feel better. How do you know what dose to take and when to increase or decrease?
I see nothing so far in your narrative that the detox symptoms have had accompanying benefits, that you were not experiencing before the increase. - I'm not sure I understand this comment. Are you saying that the the increase caused the detox and now the benefits are coming? What was happening the first 8 months? Even though you are not detoxing your body is still using the nutrients though - right. All of this is so confusing to me. Thanks for your replies. Ginamarie- Just do it! musashi
17 y
2,604
This is a reply to # 807,808
Was it occurring before you increased PLUS? - no this pattern did not occur - I was detoxing and having pain a lot but not having long stretches of good days afterwards. This all occurred once I increased the Plus.
You increased the PLUS from 2 to 4 per day and started having stretches of "good days." I suggest that you stop asking for permission or advice and just try it. Pay attention to results and make your decisions. ie Try 6,...and maybe after a few days, try 8. It is usually more effective to spread the doses out...Say 2 tabs, 4X a day to get the maximum effect. If nothing or something bad is happening, reduce the amounts.
These products are not poisonous drugs, but food in natural forms. No toxicity! The digestive system recognizes it as food and absorbs and utilizes it well. It is possible to get a bad reaction, such as people who should not eat peanuts, but you should have noticed it by now.
The hormone support in this product is dioscorea from Mexican yams, so in effect, it is similar to ask about eating 6 or 8 potatoes a day instead of 4. There may be significant differences or negligible. When one finds that one is spending dollars in product to get a nickel's worth of improvement, most people cut back to a more cost effective level.
If you find that uncertainty makes you fearful, you may want to fall back on your doctor or M/T associate and do what they say, but I assure you that they don't know for certain. No one does. But there are some with better educated guesses against other people's opinions that who don't have a clue. Check out how much education on nutrition that your MDs get in medical school, that any medical schools offer as their curriculum. And yet, to stay out of trouble, we constantly hear, "Ask your doctor before you take that stuff." The doctor will never get into trouble by saying, "Don't take it." especially when he has no clue. If he says, "Do it." and you get sick or die, he might be sued by you or your survivors. What would you expect him to say? (As you might imagine, I have always been rejected by one side or the other for jury duty on medical lawsuits.)
The great majority of people don't have your problems nor responses to PLUS. If you are that exception, you need to observe the results and make changes. If I, your doctor, or someone else tells you to do something and it works better or does not, you are still responsible to decide what is next. You live 24 hours a day with the results.
Good luck with your results!
musashi
- Re: Just do it! faithwins
17 y
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This is a reply to # 810,591Sorry I didn't respond - my password was at work and I was off until today. To here's the update - The pain situation got a lot better - I'm hoping from the glyconutrients (I also have been going to physical therapy since AUgust and that may play a factor in it too) - it started getting better before I increased the Plus but after the increase I noticed the pattern of longer stretches. I have had headaches, well migraines that last days or sometimes weeks, for about 4 years now since I went off of the birth control pill. So obviously they have something to do with hormones. Then to make matters worse, I went through 2 years of fertility treatments with injectable hormones - STUPID - I know hindsight is 20/20. Anyway, the headaches have gotten worse since being on glyconutrients in May and even worse since increasing Plus. They were happening before until after ovulation and before menstruation. Now they are almost 3/4 of the month. So I increased the Plus again last week since it has been a month since I increased with no real benefit except pain reduction - which don't get me wrong is great! I figure I will keep increasing the Plus since that is responsible for the hormones until I feel leveled out hormone wise - oh I have other symptoms that haven't gotten better in the past 8 months too that are probably related to hormones now that I researched hormone imbalance - acne, backache, mood swings, Sugar cravings, memory loss, fatigue.
The great majority of people don't have your problems nor responses to PLUS. - are you implying that Plus is not that effective. I have been told that it is very effective for hormone issues because of the wild yam in it but does it have enough? I only know what I am told by the M****tech person that is why I have come here for more information - I don't want to be a sucker or be scammed. I know that glyconutrients are effective and are necessary for the body but the issue for me how much do I personally need - nobody can tell me that and how long will my body need to recover the damage that I did to it - probably a lifetime.
You seem to be very knowledgable do you mind me asking your credientals - are you a doctor of some sort? How long have you been on glycos? Your results? Do you make your own? I have been thinking about it.
So my question for you this time is . . . should I just keep increasing the Plus - I will only up 1 at a time - I'm chicken to do too much at one time - I'm a teacher and need to be okay to work. OR shoudl I increase my A*****ose? The goal is to get the migraines under control - I'm pretty sure they are hormonal. What are your thoughts? Thanks for responding. Ginamarie
- Re: Just do it! faithwins
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- Just do it! musashi
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- Re: What does/do your doctor(s) diag... faithwins
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- What does/do your doctor(s) diagnose... musashi
17 y
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- What do you think? faithwins
17 y
2,493
- It's probably hormonal musashi
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- Re: Detox faithwins
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