In a previous post, I teased been there done that about a comment he made -- that we interpret scripture based on what we're accustomed to -- by pointing out how his view on homosexuality is what he is accustomed to, and so he agrees with the Old Testament on this point, but treating women like cattle is not what he's accustomed to, so he disagrees with the New Testament on this point.
I came across an article which made a similar argument, authored by a pastor of twenty-six years. The relevant excerpt:
Never mind that this setting is during a time of Temple serving, animal killing, priest maintaining Hebrew history. Strange how the WAY the Deity tells the people to return to Him for their disobedience is to give Him 10% or more depending on what one does with the tithe for the widow and the festivals (kind of a Hebrew Xmas Club fund), He then PROMISES that this is such a deal. You give me your money and I will pour out even more blessings to you than you can possibly imagine. The problem is, this is not in practical fact the case, nor is it my real experience in having sincerely taught this verse as a reason why Christians should still practice Old Covenant Tithing. I certainly have never experienced a blessing that I simply did not have the room to contain. Oh I know, "you have air, water and a place to live don't you?" Come on, you know what I mean. The implication is that if you give, you will get back more than you can imagine. Apologists have labeled this return on your investment in religion, the priesthood, ministry and Church as everything from "you're kids are healthy aren't they?", to being a part of the great true and only wise Church. I have buried many children of good and sincere faithful tithe payers.
It's a convoluted justification that ministers go through to skirt the issues of what we still "have to" do as Christians vs. what is now all "done away with." Simply put, anything that is icky like animal sacrifices, or inconvenient like not mixing your fabrics or letting your farm lie unplanted every seventh year, is not incumbent on the Christian. It is the things that no one wants to do that done away with. But tithing...uh uh...this is eternally a part of God's law and YOU simply MUST give it...IF you are REALLY converted.
Another interesting excerpt:
One of my personal favorites is Paul taking the story of Abraham, who he needs to make the father of not only the Hebrews but of all Gentiles, so he can hook the gentiles all up to the Hebrew promises and goodies, and turning it on its head.
Note Galatians 3:16 "Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ."
Whoa moma!! It is the same as Jesus saying "feed my sheep" and meaning there was only ONE to feed because He did not say "feed my sheeps." If I reasoned like that in any theology class that was worth anything, I'd flunk! Oh well, this is Paul and he gets to decide just what the Hebrew scripture really means so he can get the Gentiles in as family of Abraham and of course then ask them to send in their ten percent just like the OT guys did, since now you are part of the group that should not leave these things undone. Paul was good as making a scripture mean what it never meant, but that is a general Christian minister skill for far too many today as well. As long as it serves them well, why not...? I mean did not one minister in the past, who was against the old "top knott" hairdo of women say that the Bible says..."top knott come down?" Of course, in context, the verse said, "Let him in the top of the house top, not come down..." Oh well, "Judas went out and hanged himself...go though out and do like wise..."
Seems even the faithful are finding fault with Paul's corruption of Jesus's teachings and Hebrew scriptures. Feely guilty about tithing? Mr. Diehl has an opinion on the correct way to handle it, directly from Jesus?... The whole article is here.
About the homosexuality thing, it's a hard thing to debate because, personally, it doesn't bother me, but from what I see in the beginning of Romans, it bothers God. (emphasis added)
This is what I don't quite get about you. You speak of knowing God, loving Him and worshipping Him and living His will, and yet you keep refering to a book to tell you what to think about God.
Why not, oh, I dunno... just commune with God?
I don't get how people can say they are getting to know God, or God speaks through them (not that you've said this), or whatever else it is, when the only thing they can fall back on is quoting scripture to prove what they think or to tell them what God is or wants -- a scripture that is provably a political document, embodied in which is a lot of evil done in the name of all that is good.
I mean, you take bits of scripture that you clearly don't agree with, and you intentionally disobey them. But when it comes to the stuff that doesn't matter to you... you follow scripture...? Is that the mechanism by which you cleave the truth from the lies? If it evokes a response in you, then it's wrong, but if it doesn't, then you defer to the written word?
Tithing is just another thing for atheist and none believers who are self centered around the almighty dollar and only think about themselves and the dollar to nit pic about, or try to find fault with any Christian in whatever way they can by comparing all Christians to any nut that claims to be a Christian or some far out heretic. As if there are no none Christian nuts out there.
You seem so desperate to find a label to pin on me, and yet you hate it when the Christian label, with all that that implies, including its nutcases and heretics and wannabes and pseudo-Christians, etc., is applied to you. Are there any Christians who are not hypocrites? Anyone?
Then again, I shouldn't judge all of them based on you...
Does that make john cullison more righteous if can find a fault in a Christian?
I'm more lefteous than righteous, actually.
Believe what you choose and twist what you choose.
Are any of my accusations about scripture false? Let's take a look.
Scripture would have us believe that insects have four legs -- but they don't. Leviticus 11:20-23
Scripture would have us all ignorant of the existence of a city in Lebanon called Tyre -- yet there it is. Ezekiel chapter 26
Scripture would have us believe in a wrathful God whose impotence has no better illustration than that the wrath can be quelched by the rituals of priests. Numbers chapter 16, especially 16:46, where a well-placed censer is all it takes to stop a plague sent from God.
Scripture would have us believe that a proper punishment for calling a man "baldy" is to be mauled to death by bears. Two Kings 2:23-24. Jesus really does delight in the mutilation of children, doesn't he?
Scripture would have us believe that God frequently wants his followers to commit genocide. Where to begin with this one? Pick a chapter! Always with the punishing wickedness. Always with the "do what I say, or I shall kill you" love'n'light. What became of the Amalekites? The Jebusites? The Midianites? Numbers Chapter 31 is always a winner in my book.
Scripture would have us believe that women are property. Likewise, where are women treated as anything but property? Can't teach men, to blame for every evil in the world, so many wives possessed by ancient men, etc., etc., etc. Try Numbers chapter 31 again, wherein God (allegedly) commands the Israelites to slay all the men, and all the boys, and all the women who might be pregant, but to keep all the virgins (i.e. young girls, little girls) for themselves.
Scripture would have us believe that the only way to restore the garden is to destroy it utterly. Try reading Revelations, and looking at what Christians are supporting in the Middle East. They've been seeing Revelations happen since the formation of Isreal and Real Soon Now that Jesus is coming back for, oh, fifty-eight years of bloodshed and violence in the Middle East, courtesy of the state of Israel.
Real winner of a deity you guys follow. THIS is what you think God is or ever was?