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- Re: maybe you seek a different forum... trapper/kcmo
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This is a reply to # 641,917you are welcome, thorn. i hope we remain so.
the zionists. i was so ignorant for so long i knew nothing but to parrot the line of god and israel that the fundies teach. if they only knew how manipulated they are! the creation of israel in 1948 is the entire backbone of modern christian understanding. it is a manipulation and a lie as best i can tell. and it certainly doesnt fit with my understanding of the bible, which is that it is concerned with creating children of god, not fortelling gloom and doom. jesus said it best when he said an evil and wicked generation seeks a sign. now thats what i call prophecy!Advertisement
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- Re: maybe you seek a different forum... UserX
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This is a reply to # 641,913I hope you'll stay around as well trapper...I certainly appreciate your contributions to the discussion and I defiantly don't revile you for your views. I know what you mean when you say it’s chaotic but people get very excited when they deal with such deeply held beliefs. I for one am always seeking constructive dialog and I hope you would stay help to give this forum that. I particularly liked your recent post about the first Christmas being depicted in China…sadly we didn’t really get to discuss it much because no one, other then myself, responded to it. I always welcome your opinions and your presence here with us all.
- Re: maybe you seek a different forum... trapper/kcmo
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MoreThis is a reply to # 641,922thank you.
what did you think about my comments regarding the corraberative aspect of the story regarding jesus' instructions? i thought that the findings matched quite well with messengers committed to their task and obeying their master, jesus, and the message which he taught.- Re: maybe you seek a different forum... UserX
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This is a reply to # 641,924You said “what did you think about my comments regarding the corraberative aspect of the story regarding jesus' instructions?”
I think you make a very good point and the evidence does seem to fit the instructions Jesus gave for carrying the Gospel. My initial thought was…hmmmm 3 wise men?
Is it possible that the 3 wise men where in fact from this area in China and that they followed the signs all the way to Jesus’ birth place? Then upon seeing all that they saw they returned to their home region of China and recorded what they had seen. The idea that they had the wealth to present gifts like gold implies that they would certainly have the wealth to commission the images of what they saw. Considering the style of the carvings they may have been commissioned while still in the Middle East and transported all the way back to China. Just speculation of course but it could be a possibility. I would be very interested in knowing more about the religious traditions of the people in the area where the stones were found and if their traditions differ from greatly from the rest of China.
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- Re: maybe you seek a different forum... trapper/kcmo
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MoreThis is a reply to # 641,927i only glanced at the three wise men when thinking about this but you have a point. it may very well be that this may have been the home of a decendent of one of these. it would explain the fertile ground found there as well. it is the small things like this that i find so amazing, and it really increases my faith. they are so easily overlooked by the world, and misunderstood.
- Re: maybe you seek a different forum... trapper/kcmo
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- Re: maybe you seek a different forum... sans sucre
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This is a reply to # 641,909I saw on PBS that the reason some authors "made it" into the Bible and others did not was based on "political" reasons. Who was popular, etc. Do you ever wonder about the words of the authors that did not make it in? Or, do you feel that if it had been meant to be, it would have been?
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This is a reply to # 641,884I saw on PBS that the reason some authors "made it" into the Bible and others did not was based on "political" reasons. Who was popular, etc. Do you ever wonder about the words of the authors that did not make it in? Or, do you feel that if it had been meant to be, it would have been?- Re: Question - please help me get th... John Cullison
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This is a reply to # 641,940The Apocrypha... In particular, the Nicean Council used political might (i.e. coercion) to remove texts from the Bible with votes on whether the attendees considered the book to be "true".
Given the history of Christianity and its certainty in the evil of its own members, I hope they'll forgive me for doubting the integrity of at least some of those who voted then.
The Book of the Secrets of Enoch seems to be a favorite of students of the Apocrypha. Some day, I'm going to have to read it myself. - Re: Question - please help me get th... UserX
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Very good point sans...excelllent posts all together as well. You don't have to wonder about what books were rejected because they are still around for you to read and I would say for myself I found them to be quite facinating. Ohh john beat me to it lol
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This is a reply to # 641,945What califlady says is right. There are many blind leading the blind today. Another thing is that Christianity is a matter of the heart and not of the intellect. I do not mean that Christians are not intelligent, but that the utmost importance comes from the heart.
Also, being humble, and seeing yourself as being a sinner in need of forgiveness is right. Pride and envy, impatience, proudness, setting poor examples are things Christians need to strive against. Human nature is such that it is a daily struggle for each and everyone, Christians included. That is why we need forgiveness on a daily basis. We are not perfect and never will be, and should not give the impression that we are, can or will be. That is the reason Jesus came here to forgive us our sins. Satan works hard to try to convince us otherwise. Satan is always working in each persons life continually. And that is why it is such a battle to keep Christianity in our hearts.
Also, trouble comes when we want to take our own opinions, thoughts and ideas and think that it is the only right way and others are wrong. If we rely on and lean on Jesus for help, He will lead us to rightousness and help us to see what is right and wrong. Prayer is needed to find the truth. God will reveal it if it is heartfelt and earnest.- Re: Question - please help me get th... finallyfaith
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This is a reply to # 641,947hi sans,
i have read much of what is now called "the apocrypha" as well as the nag hammadi texts and some of the dead sea scrolls. what impresses me most is that nearly everything that eneded up in the bible has a certain consistency about it, and that many of the other texts are quite different in tone or content. that is not to say i believe that every single word in the bible is exactly what God thinks, becasue i don't, i just think that that book stands alone.
the book of enoch is very interesting and goes further into the reasons behind the great flood and the corruption of the daughters of men with the sons of god. it also gives greater detail of the events around the garden of eden. is it accurate history? i have no idea, but it is interesting reading.
the texts the council of nicea left out of the new testament are varied. some are full of silly superstitions, other with wildly exaggerated tales of the exploits of the apostles, some just are not truly inspired literature like the other texts are. elaine pagels has written a lot about this.
my favorite alternative text is the gospel of Thomas. it is only sayings, no narrative. i have heard that it was actually written only 500 years ago, but that debate is endless and no one knows for sure. but the book is great.
i personally believe the bible is inspired but because it was written by humans, it contains flaws. so i use it as a guidepost, but my faith in God is my rock.
hope that helps.
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first off i think you raise some very valid points and that you argue them very succinctly.
i am happy to give my input, but first want to make perfectly clear two things.
1. i am a believer in Jesus Christ
2. i do not agree with much of what passes for Christianity today.
i am a rebel, a freethinker and don't base my belief system on a book full of dead words, rather i try to base my beliefs both on my faith and my reason.
you said one very profound thing, that faith is necessary and yet it is a gift. exactly. well said. but faith in what? a belief system? no belief system ever saved anyone ever, no belief system transforms the human heart and no belief system opens you to the mystery of the Creator.
if you want to have faith in something, ask for faith in the eternal and undying love of God. now THAT is something to hold onto, something real, something life changing and something that no belief system can generate inside of you.
personally i believe the bible is inspired by God. it is a road map of one part of humanity's long relationship with and ever evolving revelation of God. each word is there for a reason. each word serves its purpose.
BUT again, i do not base my faith on the bible. my faith is based on the revelation of God in my heart. it is that simple. our revelation of God as a race is ever evolving. the old testament is old for a reason, because we evolved beyond it. we are always evolving, and our revelation of God will always be expanding.
faith in Christ is NOT the same as belief in Christianity. Christ is a fundamental force in the universe, christianity is a belief system. Christ is now at work in the heart of every man woman and child beckoning them to a deeper knowledge of the love of God. if the Christian belief system helps in that journey, great. but if it hinders your deeper revelation of love then something has to give.
i don't know if i am answering any of your quesiotns to be honest, i am just typing what comes to my mind. i hope you find it helpful.
faith
- Conspiracy vs Christianity (ADVICE N... #40679
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This is a reply to # 641,889questions for christians who also believe in different Conspiracy things out there....
There are so many things out there that discuss UFOs (fallen angels), NWO, Religious Conspiracy (altered bible, etc), Fake rapture (hollogram), Jesuits, and more.
Do you have problem with your faith when you read some of those things?
What do you do to sort out real stuff from disinfo? Can you be a solid Christian and also believe in other things that are out there..?
I am black and white person, it's hard for me to blend things, it's either right or wrong...Please advise on how you deal with the Conspiracy fringe and still stay a solid Christian...
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This is a reply to # 641,893hi,
well i am going to assume you are directing that question at me since i do have faith in Christ and i also sometimes participate in the Conspiracy forum.
to be honest the heart of all Conspiracy theories is very simple - people with dark intentions are hording power, lying to us, poisoning us, and they are working behind the scenes to put into place some diabolical plan. the specifics and whos and whats and when and how can be endlessly debated. but the simple fact is that that exactly describes the kingdom of babylon and lucifer as it is portrayed in the bible. the book of revelations is basically one big Conspiracy theory come alive, and explains how those in power with evil intent go about lying and poisoning us all, and how so many with blind eyes and dark hearts will believe and follow those evil leaders, and how eventually Christ and the forces of love will win the battle for the earth, and the New Jerusalem will be established. now how exactly and specfically that takes place is a whole arguement we could have in another thread.
as far as aliens go, i don't know. maybe they are all fallen angels, maybe some are but some are actually interdimensional beings that are like us, both good and evil, who knows? but regardless, none of them fall out of the jurisdiction of Christ, he is their saviour too whoever they are.
the NWO is just another name for babylon, the system of the beast, lucifer's kingdom. it is just put in earthly terms, it the political aspect of lucifer so to speak. but love conquers all, and they too will know justice.
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- Re: Conspiracy vs Christianity (ADVI... trapper/kcmo
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This is a reply to # 641,897we are to be aware, not ignorant. we are also not to resist evil when it comes. we have a better hope and redeemer than ourselves.
joseph was warned in a dream to escape with his family to egypt. it was not jesus' time to die. we each, however, have an appointment.
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This is a reply to # 641,893there are two worlds - the internal one and the external one. guess which one is real? it is not the one most people waste their time and effort on.
Matthew 6:21
For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.
Luke 6:45
A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh.
Romans 2:5
But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;
1 Samuel 16:7
But the LORD said unto Samuel, Look not on his countenance, or on the height of his stature; because I have refused him: for the LORD seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the LORD looketh on the heart. - Re: Conspiracy vs Christianity (ADVI... mccarty
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This is a reply to # 641,893"Please advise on how you deal with the Conspiracy fringe and still stay a solid Christian..."
Jesus spent 40 days in the woods being tempted by the devil. Even though He will be the only one to ever pass the test, as we are all sinners here, He did give us plenty of warning that there would be plenty of tests of faith in our own lives along the way in our journey.
There will always be corruption in religion, there will always be those that try to deceive. The important thing for the Christian is to stay loyal to Him and His message of love and hope throughout these trials and tribulations.
We were told that we live in an evil world, and that there would be plenty who would try to deceive us along the way in terms of our faith.
I don't believe in UFO's. I've never seen one, have you?~
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- Re: Conspiracy vs Christianity (ADVI... John Cullison
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This is a reply to # 641,904I've never understood this.
If Jesus is God incarnate, knows it, and can perform miracles, does testing Himself for 40 days really mean anything?
Ask him to try it as not-God sometime -- with no awareness of his divine self, exactly as a mortal would endure it -- and let me know how he fared.
It's hardly a valid comparison otherwise.
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