I hope you'll stay around as well trapper...I certainly appreciate your contributions to the discussion and I defiantly don't revile you for your views. I know what you mean when you say it’s chaotic but people get very excited when they deal with such deeply held beliefs. I for one am always seeking constructive dialog and I hope you would stay help to give this forum that. I particularly liked your recent post about the first Christmas being depicted in China…sadly we didn’t really get to discuss it much because no one, other then myself, responded to it. I always welcome your opinions and your presence here with us all.