Any thoughts on this subject? 
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I was just wondering ... I know many, many atheists. Most of them use Science and evolution as their reasons for their atheism, or they use not being able to see anything outside of what is right in front of them. In other words, show me. I have no problem with atheists. I don't understand it, but to each his own. I can understand their problems with organized religion. I don't believe in organized religion, either. I don't think it's what Jesus had in mind at all. A lot of it doesn't make any sense. But again, to each his own. This is all a curiosity to me. My own father is a STAUNCH atheist, has been all his life, and nothing has happened to change that. He'll have none of it. But he did have an out-of-body experience once when he was sick, where he said he left his body and hovered over the bed and looked down at himself, he said it felt like he was floating. He said it didn't mean anything to him, it can be explained away and that probably many people have things like this happen, but there are explanations for it and it is nothing spiritual. Any thoughts on anything I have said here? My spiritual path is something I have just started, and I don't understand the above. Any thoughts would be appreciated.
Thanks.
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- Re: Any thoughts on this subject? drofinnah
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atheist (as a rule) are very "egotistical"... and if one understands that the "ego" is only a figment of ones imagination... a character we conger up in our own minds of who we think we are... (rather than who we truly are)... then one can readily see why the "ego" would deny the existence of God... these type people in general cannot be made to see... or face the truth about themselves... they are very closed minded... very obstinate... always have to be right about everything... and they have a wall of defense that is not easily penetrated...
but one needs to understand that beneath it all is fear... the "ego" is a very strong defense mechanism... and is a natural occurance... but sometimes this need to defend gets blown out of proportion... and often times takes on a life of it's own... and it is all on the pretense of self protection... in most cases these people have to hit a bottom of some kind... that will jar them awake... or a "wake up call" if you prefer...
anyhow... just a few of my thoughts... and maybe give you something to chew on...
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atheist (as a rule) are very "egotistical"... and if one understands that the "ego" is only a figment of ones imagination... a character we conger up in our own minds of who we think we are... (rather than who we truly are)... then one can readily see why the "ego" would deny the existence of God... these type people in general cannot be made to see... or face the truth about themselves... they are very closed minded... very obstinate... always have to be right about everything... and they a wall of defense that is not easily penetrated...
but one needs to understand the beneath it all is fear... the "ego" is a very strong defense mechanism... and is a natural occurance... but sometimes this need to defend gets blown out of proportion... and often times takes on a life of it's own... and it is all on the pretense of self protection... in most cases these people have to hit a bottom of some kind... that wil jar them awake... or a "wake up call" if you prefer...
anyhow... just a few of my thoughts... and maybe give you something to chew on...
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- Just a bunch of lies superduper
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This is a reply to # 431,721I find your rant on atheists being egotistical and arrogant to be indicative of uneducated guesswork. Obviously you have not even bothered to research why they feel the way they do, you are just making stuff up as you go. I do not believe in the 'god' you speak of clearly on scientific grounds which i'll bet you cannot even begin to entertain. It is impossible for there to be 'one' 'god' who walks on water and parts the sea. Some of us succumb to the pressures of organized religion that destroys peoples lives, and others are able to wake from the cloak of lies, like I did. In the west christianity is a dying religion as the truth comes to light, like it or not.
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it's all just a very uneducated guess on my part...
i didn't read it from a book... no one taught me... i discovered all these flaws within my own makeup... but like you say... it's all just guess work... it's my opinion that if one wants truth one only has to look inside ones self to find the answers... but then what the bleep do i know...
but i don't recall ever mentioning anything about religion...
i think you are maybe jumping to conclusions... just because i mentioned the word God... you seem to think i'm talking religion... religion and God are two entirely different concepts as far as i'm concerned... i really don't think God would approve of most of the stuff imposed on the followers of religions...
the only reason i mentioned the word God was to point out the ignorance of the so called atheist in his insane insistence that there is no God... i thought i made my points perfectly clear... which part didn't you understand...???
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it's all just a very uneducated guess on my part...
i didn't read it from a book... no one taught me... i discovered all these flaws within my own makeup... but like you say... it's all just guess work... it's my opinion that if one wants truth one only has to look inside ones self to find the answers... but then what bleep do i know...
but i don't recall ever mentioning anything about religion...
i think you are maybe jumping to conclusions... just because i mention word God... you seem to think i'm talking religion...
religion and God are two entirely different concepts as far as i'm concerned... i really don't think God would approve of most of the stuff imposed on the followers of religions...
the only reason i mentioned the word God was to point out the ignorance of the so called atheist in his insane insistence that there is no God... i thought i made my points perfectly clear... which part didn't you understand...???
- I apologise superduper
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This is a reply to # 431,724I would like to apologise for my earlier post. I had been studying hard and was very tired and should not have been online late at night and as a consequence I misread your post, please accept my apology.
super- no problem... and thanks... ;-) drofinnah
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This is a reply to # 431,731i too should apologize for coming across maybe a little to strongly... but to me... the "ego" is the major part of this worlds problem... and it is the part of ourselves that seems so very little understood... until i could put things into perspective in my own life i had little or no concept of what life is truly all about... but here again... perhaps i'm getting a bit pushy with my ideas and opinions... so... think i will just keep them to myself...
lol...
;-)
- Re: no problem... and thanks... ;-) superduper
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This is a reply to # 431,732I agree about ego being a problem, an often unseen problem of monolithic proportions.
Don't let my earlier post put you off posting your thoughts, thoughts help us all learn. As I learn not to post when my brain is tired.
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- no problem... and thanks... ;-) drofinnah
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- I apologise superduper
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- Just a bunch of lies #18637
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I don't understand why you say it is "dying." Is it evolving? Yes, I think in some way it is. But it is definitely not dying. I don't believe in any organized religion. I don't think church buildings and rituals and fancy clothes and robes are what God intended at all. Jesus was poor and humble, and I think he is shaking his head saying, "This isn't what I had in mind at all." I can understand why people become atheists. I really can. I am not one of them. But I can understand how it happens. Just because you can't see something doesn't mean it isn't there. I also don't believe in hell. I don't think atheists will go to hell for not believing. I believe the criteria for getting in (and you'll forgive my humble opinion here) is how we treat one another. And quite honestly I don't see atheists and believers treating each other all that well. They just seem to get mad at each other. Like I said, my father is an atheist. It doesn't change the way I feel about him, and it doesn't change the way he feels about me, either. We can discuss it, and often do, without getting angry or insulting. I don't know. Just some thoughts. I don't know if atheists are any more arrogant than a lot of people I know. They just have their own beliefs. I hope something I've said makes sense. I will say one thing -- my own gut tells me there's in Intelligent Designer out there, and I trust my intuition more than any human I've ever met. Please don't argue. It doesn't get anyone anywhere but mad. - Just a bunch of lies #18637
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Dear Superduper,
By the way, what is "the truth" as you refer to it in your post?
Thank you.
- Just a bunch of lies Schlggell
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This is a reply to # 431,726If quantum mechanics and 'string theory' weren't so symbolic of a higher power there wouldn't be so many Christian Scientists in physics anyway.
I like the above statements. 'God' and religion (herd ethic) are two separate entities. To not accept a higher authority, I think atheists really need to spend some time in nature. What else is there?
My Dad is a strict atheist as well, but different generations were influenced by different things. WWII left impressions on people that we (this generation) can never fully understand.
Even christianity has committed great sins against humanity to get to the Christianity we have today. These very questions are what separated the Church from the Gnostic holy orders and other hermetic groups through the millenia.
There really has to be a higher order, why does virtually every human culture have 'beliefs' in a 'religion'.?
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- But there is a grain of truth and #2853
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inside that tiny seed is the most awesome wonderful God who loves even a dog like me. I would much rather that my God(Love) created the universe than just random accidents and I believe there are literally billions of human beings who have a personal relationship with God, angelic beings, or spirits to discount God outright. I personally met God and if you did you would not say what you have said... I am not going to convince you otherwise but I just couldn't hold my typing finger(hehehe) any longer...
The God who is the image of undying love who completly adores us and sees no evil at all in us guides my life and provides comfort for me in life's storms. You have your logic and intellect to guide you and that is just fine. I am just a weaker spiritual creature and need a lot of direct intervention. I would do this life on my own but it is just too hard to bare without a loving God to help me on my way. My heart has been run over so many times it feels like it must be an on-ramp to a freeway. A loving and kind gentleman or gentlewoman(if you prefer) is there for me I need strength to carry on. If it wasn't for this awesome wonderful creator in my life... I really don't see how I could make it through a single day. You have extraordinary internal strength so maybe you are one of the lucky ones. I am glad you have found what you need to make it through this life without God. Perhaps some day I will find that strength as well but for now it would be like cutting off my right arm or pulling my heart right out of my chest... Maybe I could learn to live without my right arm
and maybe I could have a replacement heart put in my chest to keep the blood pumping in my veins? Discounting my loving God as unexplainable and unproveable may be what you need to make sense of the "real world" but I don't like the "real world" because it wounds me every day. The spirit world is where I go to lick my wounds and heal my broken heart. I don't think I am alone in this but I am sure that you have been given through genetics and good luck the tools that I do not have to live in the "real world." Congratulations! I have been relying on my crutch for a long time though and I probably will never recover from my need to lay in the arms of an unproveable God who watches over me whom I often call Aba-Father(Daddy). You have what you need in well defined proof but I am weak and depend on things I can't even see. It is like believing in something more invisible than a quark. Could it be but it is my weakness and your strength that leads you toward your logical understanding and my weakness that leads me back to God. God is such a big part of my life that I would be empty without God. Your life is so full that you don't need God. Please forgive me and the Billions of us for our weakness. I hope you see that we really need to believe. At least its that way for me.- well said... in weakness is our stre... drofinnah
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This is a reply to # 431,730yet i'm not sure that i would be so quick to speak of the billions that have an understanding such as ours (yours & mine)... i think truthfully one would find the majority of atheists in religions... and i wonder how many professional religious leaders... preist/rabbi/ministers/preachers that one would find on closer examination are indeed wolves in sheeps clothing... for deep down... underneath it all they are undaunting atheists...??? they believe in the santa clause god... and since their god did not give them what they asked for they refuse to believe... when all alone in wounded dispair... one such as you and i have found the unshakable
truth...
thank you very much for such a clear and concise interpretation of my feelings...
lol...
;-)
"it's a wonderful day in the neighborhood"...
- well said... in weakness is our stre... drofinnah
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For what they're worth. I've been posting on the atheist forums, just because I don't subscribe to any organized religion, but I wouldn't really call myself an atheist either because I do have some beliefs and ideas and I do feel there's a 'higher power' or divinity, if you will, though I don't call it God.
I see the biggest difference, really, being the difference between religious dogma and spirituality.
Most of the atheists on those forums are not angrily insisting there is no god, they just exercise the right not to choose organized religion - most of them do seem to have beliefs of a spiritual nature. There were a few that really feel that Science and evolution explain it all away but I can't speak for the others, only me.
Anyway, this difference between religious dogma and spirituality is, to me, the biggest difference between atheists and christians and this other person in the thread who talks about "ego" is being a bit unfair in her/his suppostions. "Atheism" is a self-proclaimed term basicially meaning lack of "theism" or lack of organized religion. I think when most people hear that term, they see it almost as a cult of sorts - the "I won't believe it till I see it" sect.
I was surprised to find that most atheists, like myself, have a pretty solid belief system, we just don't have a huge building erected and get a bunch of people together and take their money in celebration of it.
Furthermore, I think many rebel (I know I do) against the fear-mongering and hate-breeding of many of the fundamentalist Christians - those are the ones that seem to be driven into evangelical fervor at the very thought of an atheist in need of conversion. It's unfair of them to assume that if someone believes differently that they are automatically wrong and doomed to a life of eternal bar-b-que.
That pretty much explains my few thoughts on the subject.
- Re: Any thoughts on this subject? #33578
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This is a reply to # 431,718Well you say you have alot of atheist friends. ONe person responding below said atheists were anti theists or anti religious/religion. I thought atheists did not believe in any God. If you talk about persons who are not of any religion... there are TONS of those. Persons who say there is no God are much smaller in number. Just thought I would distinguish that difference in my mind.
Anyhow. There is a wonderful book that brings Science and God together. It is called The Field. It is not for the non scientific. If your friends are scientific then they should understand it. However Science and God have been partners for a while. Physics is very spiritual. So if your friends are scientific they must not have read much in the physics realm lately.
There is much info on spirituality on the net. New spirituality. If one wants to find it ... it is not hard. If one wants to take a stand to just be different...then maybe atheism is what they want just to be the antagonist. Sometimes people just want to be heard and you can tell by the vibrations they give off if that is true. You can FEEL someone who is sincere and someone who is not. Go into your intuition. You can tell.
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