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Hello all. I am on my fifth day of preparation for the liver cleanse. My problem is, this is the third time I've prepped for it. Both previous times, I never reached the point of drinking the oil mixture, because throughout the day of eating no fat/protein, I would come down with a migraine, which became debilitating by evening time. I don't get migraines that often, but I did also get one the day I tried to do a fruit fast, which was also no protein or fat, so that's the common denominator.
Does anyone know if it's ok to do a coffee enema the day of the actual cleanse? Or must it be a water only one? Because I've read that coffee enemas can help headaches.
Also, as a preventative measure, I've been trying to figure out if protein is as important to avoid on that day, as fat, or not quite. Most things that have protein, also have fat, and I know that animal products are to be especially avoided. But if I would have a few sips of a smoothie that has almond protein with breakfast, for example, would that be ok? And how about if the veggies I have for lunch have a few beans in them? Because, the way I see it, rice is recommended in Moritz' book, and rice does have a small amount of protein. So as long as I stay low in protein, and very close to 0 fat, I think/hope it will be ok. I know it says that if you eat these things, you'll feel sick from the cleanse, but the way I've been going, the migraines I get from *not* eating them, make me so nauseous, that I couldn't imagine drinking oil, I was just in agony. This is my last weekend before travel, so I really want to do this. I'll try to post an update.Advertisement
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This is a reply to # 2,444,011You can do a liver Purge in one or two days and I have proven it over and over and over again. Why people go through these hard regimens, when it can simply be done and one or two days, at the total cost of $15 with all products being bought at Walmart of all places. One bottle of cascara Sagrada, three or four large cans of Dole pineapple juice, and 6 oz of your favorite oil, most people use olive oil, and that's perfectly fine, but you can also use sesame seed oil grapeseed oil are any of the oils that are cold-pressed oil. I have even used mineral oil and it gave me the largest Stones because it's a Slicker oil. Anyway, the damning thing about getting people to do a liver Purge is most people are not willing to take the 2 or 3 days to accomplish The Purge. And because I have experiment it with all these oils and watch so many people and I mean hundreds of people do The Purge, sometimes people are desperate to do The Purge but just do not have the time because of their work schedule, so I have Consolidated a purge up one and a half days. Because you have to remember the purpose of the cascara Sagrada is to evacuate the silage in the colon so the liver can burp out the stones. Most of the home of pathic teachers prefer that you go with the textbook Purge so that they can trick you into using a lot of unneeded supplements, red beetroot would be one of those that is not needed that many recommend, they say it's to regulate your Sugar for those days that you are preparing for the purge and I call it bulshit. It takes three ingredients and a couple of days. I know everybody goes with the apple juice, which is kind of funny to me, because you have to understand I've done so many of these over 20 years, and I have experimented with many of the oils. I'm not recommending this to anyone but I am telling you my experience. The first thing to do before a liver Purge used to get on the scales and weigh yourself, that's first, the average person I have watched purged over the years will lose 8 to 12 lb and a two-day Purge. A doctor friend of mine that I coached actually lost 19.6 lb in 2 days. His colon was totally compacted. So anyway you can drop to a 2 day Purge and you will not have to suffer all the stupid headaches and everything that you were dealing with now just get the damn Stones Out. You don't have to spend a fortune and you don't have to spend a whole lot of time, - Developing a debilitating headache i... FocusOnHealth
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This is a reply to # 2,444,011> I never reached the point of drinking the oil mixture, because throughout the day of eating no fat/protein, I would come down with a migraine, which became debilitating by evening time. I don't get migraines that often, but I did also get one the day I tried to do a fruit fast, which was also no protein or fat, so that's the common denominator.
Sapphi, there is an infinite number of food combinations... and you have your biochemical individuality... so it's your job to figure out what works for you.
> Does anyone know if it's ok to do a coffee enema the day of the actual cleanse? Or must it be a water only one? Because I've read that coffee enemas can help headaches.
No, it's not okay unless it is a part of the protocol. Therefore, if you want to succeed, then do not include it. Other than that, feel free to experiment as much as you want... it's your body... your time... and your life.
> I've been trying to figure out if protein is as important to avoid on that day, as fat, or not quite. Most things that have protein, also have fat, and I know that animal products are to be especially avoided. But if I would have a few sips of a smoothie that has almond protein with breakfast, for example, would that be ok? And how about if the veggies I have for lunch have a few beans in them? Because, the way I see it, rice is recommended in Moritz' book, and rice does have a small amount of protein. So as long as I stay low in protein, and very close to 0 fat, I think/hope it will be ok. I know it says that if you eat these things, you'll feel sick from the cleanse, but the way I've been going, the migraines I get from *not* eating them, make me so nauseous, that I couldn't imagine drinking oil, I was just in agony. This is my last weekend before travel, so I really want to do this. I'll try to post an update.
Sapphi, Don't try to be a perfectionist. Do you really-really want to do the liver flush? Then just do it! Developing a debilitating headache is a copout... a convenient excuse for inaction.Advertisement
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This is a reply to # 2,444,018Hi FocusOnHealth,
Thanks for the reply. I'll avoid the coffee enema today. But I found it a bit confusing that on the one hand, you told me to follow the protocol exactly; and on the other, you told me not to be such a perfectionist, for questioning how precisely I have to follow the protocol. But anyway, I've just finished my lunch, and I ate exactly what I said I would. Including the whole smoothie. So we'll see how it goes.
I don't feel that cancelling my cleanse due to a migraine is a cop-out. It's my body and my intuition. This is a rather drastic procedure, one I've never done before, and I don't yet have insurance that covers naturopathic doctors, so I'm on my own here. I just think that I should feel like myself when I go though with it, as opposed to crumpled on the floor in the dark in agony, barely able to think clearly, and would probably wretch my guts out if I tried to drink the oil in that state, instead of being able to lie down for 20 minutes without moving, and then sleeping. Moritz' book also says not to do the cleanse if you are acutely ill, even with a cold. Migraines aren't an infectious illness, but still. I might get panic attacks if I did that, too. I would do it if it were just a "normal" headache, though. Here's to health. - Re: Developing a debilitating headac... steven41
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This is a reply to # 2,444,018Again, it only takes 2 days to do the liver flush, unless your colon is compacted. I have run across a few people that have done the protocol and still could not get their colon to empty out. The way to be able to tell if your colon is empty, you will have solids coming out for the first day or maybe two depends on how your diet has been, after all the solids have come out to cascara Sagrada will cause a release of a lot of brown bile at the end. Watch you get the liquid bowel dump, at any time after that you can consume the oil and wait the four to six hours for the stones to come out they will be floating in the bowl. There is no reason to make this difficult oh, and there's no reason to drag it out. And the case that you did not get to the liquid Val within the first 2 days, it would be recommended to go and get your GI tract examined because there's probably some other issues and I have ran across this a few times. Never Force anything, but 99% never have this problem. There are a few ways to get the oil down, you can use a straw to bypass the tongue, you can do it in shot glasses 2 oz at a time are you can just gulp it down. It takes 3 to 4 hours for it to absorb into the intestines and move into the liver. You can also do a back-to-back liver cleanse, in other words after you do your first Purge do not eat anything and stay on the liquid and take another 6 oz of oil. The only thing I can say about The Purge is it is uncomfortable because of having to stay close to the bathroom, but why not just do the damn thing and get it over with. And the secret is once a person ever sees the stones and probably some parasites too cool with that come out of them, they will have the greatest desire to do it again and usually on an annual or biannual basis. It's not something you can unsee. The liver does over 500 functions throughout the human body, just think about that, don't you think it would be a good idea to get all those rocks out.Advertisement
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This is a reply to # 2,444,023Hi steven,
Thanks for the information. It sounds interesting. Do you have a resource somewhere with the complete protocol for the 2-day purge? I'll consider it in the future, but for my first time, I am sticking with the one in the famous book, which I've read. HTH.- Re: Developing a debilitating headac... steven41
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MoreThis is a reply to # 2,444,024Well if I did not load you up with enough information from the to post I have put on here this morning oh, I don't know what else I have to say. It really doesn't matter to me if somebody cleans their: out or not but when I see a discussion going on that I'm an expert in, and I see situations that I have come across so many times. You can click on my name and you've got about 14 years my postings you can read through, but I'm not interested in proving anything to anyone. Only the people that come in my circle of life now has access to me. The reason being there are a lot of ungrateful human on this planet.
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This is a reply to # 2,444,026OK, I'll read your post log on here, for future reference. I bet it's good, as you do sound very experienced. Apologies for sounding ungrateful. (There's no Walmart in my country anymore, though, but I can order online.)
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> I've been trying to figure out if protein is as important to avoid on that day, as fat, or not quite. Most things that have protein, also have fat, and I know that animal products are to be especially avoided. But if I would have a few sips of a smoothie that has almond protein with breakfast, for example, would that be ok? And how about if the veggies I have for lunch have a few beans in them? Because, the way I see it, rice is recommended in Moritz' book, and rice does have a small amount of protein. So as long as I stay low in protein, and very close to 0 fat, I think/hope it will be ok.
Sapphi, if you follow the (Clark) protocol, on the day of the flush you want to avoid fats and fatty foods such as almonds. Further, if you carefully read (Clark's) protocol, on the day of the flush the following foods are probably okay: any no fat protein foods, any no fat animal products, and any low fat vegetables including beans and rice.
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This is a reply to # 2,444,044Hi FocusOnHeath,
Thank you so much for answering my question. So good to know. I actually just hopped on here to say that I made it through the cleanse! Barely, though. A migraine started threatening, but never went into full swing. And the cleanse really does work like they say it does! I'll definitely be continuing with these after the holidays.
I followed Moritz' protocol. I've heard it's similar to Clark's, and I'll try to read that book, too, as it sounds, from what you've said, more specific on certain aspects.
That makes sense about fat being the thing to really avoid. But I'll just list what I did differently this time, in case it helps someone else.
On cleanse day morning, I drank malic acid in water, instead of apple juice, in order to avoid blood Sugar swings and crashes. (Didn't switch earlier in prep bc I was waiting for malic acid I oredered to arrive.) But in the days leading up, I tried to make sure I was getting moderate amounts of healthy fats, whereas before I avoided it too much, out of fear of another gallbladder attack. On cleanse day for breakfast, in addition to oatmeal and fruit, I had a store-bought smoothie made of fruits, juices, and "almond protein flour". Which seems to have less fat than actual almonds--0.5 g per 100 ml smoothie, to be precise. For lunch, in addition to vegetables and rice, I added some brussels sprouts and black beans. One or both of those also has very small amounts of fat, if I recall correctly--but it didn't ruin my experience.
My best guess as to why I've been gettng migraines from this, is because I'm undernourished/deficient in some nutrients. Mostly, I believe, due to drastically decreasing my food intake for 3+ weeks following my gallbladder attack (what got me turned on to the cleanse to start with), because I had no appetite. So the restricted diet taxes my system a lot.
It's wonderful to get this gunk out of my digestive system, and I look forward to doing this even better next time.
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I remember I did my first cleanse about 21 years ago, I went to the Health Hut, got me two big gallons of apple juice with mother, a bottle of red beetroot for the Sugar balance, the cascara Sagrada to move everything through, and the olive oil. Since then I've done about 40 or more liver purges, and I cannot tell you how many juice fast I have done, I did complete a 40-day juice fast back in 07 around that area. But when I started my journey 21 years ago, my body was a total train wreck I was in constant pain, but by 2005 I was able to remove 110 lb from my body, I became totally pain free, and I maintain a weight between 190 and 200 lb every since. It changed my life. And because I was able to change my life I have spent all the years since helping other people change their lives. I have never sold a product and I've never charged one person for my thousands of hours of donated time. Once you have practiced for 20 years like I have, and used my own body as a human guinea pig, I've experimented with many of the protocols, by adding some things and changing some things just like the Clark liver Purge that I started out with. Why did I change from apple juice 2 pineapple juice on my Purge. Because in my opinion it is far superior and I'll tell you why. Pineapple is loaded with potassium, and people just do not realize how powerful potassium is. Anytime a person goes to the hospital in a state of emergency, the biggest bag hanging from the rack will be a big bag of potassium, and what people do not understand, is potassium is like putting fire in the blood, it burns out the infections in the blood. That's why a lot of times people will go to the emergency room, they get loaded up with potassium while the doctors are doing the test, and usually after a day or two,the pataint goes home feeling better...Yes...its that powerful....It burns out the invaders,and it kicks off the excess fluids..win win....The liver purge is simple...so so simple..But students many times make it difficult because of lack of understanding..why is it so hard to go liquid for 2 days...why? You get all the calories you need.Its only 2 days...you have to get the solids out...Get the solids out..why? So the liver can burp the stones out into a empty colon...Thats why...Its so simple for people to make it so hard.Open the pipes is all your doing...Open the pipes...Drink the oil,go to bed....stones will come out in 4 to 6 hours... you can put a plastic spaghetti strainer in the bowl that night so that you can capture the stones and examine what's been living in your liver. I have been doing this for 20 years, I just had a student remove about a thousand stones from his liver, and I've got all the pictures to prove. People always like to send me the pics of there purchase, and so it really educates me every time they do. I really do need to go ahead and start writing my book I guess, but every student always wants to change the protocol adding this or subtracting that, it just makes no sense why people want to make it so difficult when it's so simple. Get the stones out and move on and keep studying. It is life-changing and it heads to your life and your health.- Re: What counts is the fat content, ... #179656
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This is a reply to # 2,444,011Hi. In case anyone is following my thread, I'm preparing for my second liver flush. I made it through the holidays, but relapsed with my digestive system stuff. I recovered, but relapsed again after getting a booster shot. It seems more difficult to bounce back this time (given what some people have been dealing with follwing either having the disease or the v@x, but that's another subject.) A 36-hour fast did help this time as well, but only temporarily. I suspect I have bile reflux. The doctors advise me to have my gallbladder taken out, and I really don't want to resort to that, especially because having it out can cause bile reflux. And if I already have it, I really, really do not want to make it worse.
So I would like to do the flush again, before requesting another abdominal ultrasound, in hopes that it will be better, and help persuade the doctors to give me more time. (My first one showed one stone and sludge, I started learning about gallbladder health and started taking sunflower lecithin, beets and lots of water and turmeric, then the scan at the specialist showed only sludge. Then I did my first liver flush, and passed at least 40 good-size "stones"--yes, I'm aware that real, calcified stones would not just come out like that, but whatever it is that comes out in balls like that was mostly crusted with what looked like sand/sludge, so I do believe it should come out.)
I drank some malic acid in water this morning. I had all herbal teas, and then broke down and had a black tea, so I could put molasses in it, because it's supposed to be a laxative, and I'm constipated. I would like to break this cycle of bloat before it creates worse health problems. I'm trying to eat so I don't get a migraine on Friday. As far as my migraines, I've learned that you tend to get them if you're toxic. Makes sense in my case. I had one few weeks ago, and since I abstain from NSAIDs for my gut, I tried a coffee enema, and lo and behold--it took my migraine away enough to where I could just go to bed, fell asleep and was fine in the morning. It didn't take the pain away 100%, but I would say about 70%. By the way, before succeeding at the liver flush, I learned that you should scale down the recipe--or up, as the case may be--for your body weight. The amounts were calculated with the average 70 kg man in mind, and I'm about 52 kg. That made all the difference for me. I even found a French site with a nice page that calculates everything for you (how much Epsom salt, oil, juice, water...).- Re: Migraines on cleanse day when av... Telman
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If you have biliary sludge confirmed by ultrasound, you may need more than the occasional liver flush. From folks have reported in the past, 9 flushes would appear the minimum. As you go through the cleansing programme, you will see the stones change in shape and consistency.
The flush potion is very powerful, even if you take half the recommended. The Epsom Salt solution needs to of sufficient strength to contract the gallbladder as well as being a laxative. I would recommend having a high strength dose pre-potion and a lesser dose afterwards.
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This is a reply to # 2,444,949Hi Telman. Thank you for the input. I scale the whole recipe down to my body weight, but I'll put in an extra gram or two of Epsom Salt in each of my two glasses today, and go a gram or two lighter with the two tomorrow. Hopefully that helps move more sludge out. :)
I was at the doctor for a regular checkup the other day. On the subject of my gallbladder, she agreed to let me go another 6 months and get another scan, but told me the sludge would still be there (of course that's what regular doctors say) and advised me of the risks of letting this condition go (yes, I'm aware).
My migraines on cleanse day are definitely not caffeine withdrawal. I've never gone into this already not withdrawn from caffeine, or anything else for that matter. Funnily enough, I haven't gotten migraines on any of my 36-hour fasts, but I do get them whenever I go through the bulk of a day eating only carbohydrates (e.g. cleanse day diet, an apple fast, etc.). Nothing else done differently than usual.
Today is my cleanse day, and I woke up so hungry form eating vegetarian yesterday, that I ate an extra bowl of oatmeal and added a little nut milk, and am sipping a protein smoothie. I know he says you'll get sick if you eat protein or fat, but I sure do if I *don't*, so trying to find the lesser evil here. ::shrug::- Re: Migraines on cleanse day when av... Telman
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”I was surprised by the effectiveness of it, and I wasn’t hungry.”
I've been through this exact same conversation with doctors, but my personal practitioner has always been against surgery to remove my gallbladder. I had sludge from my first ultrasound, and it was still there 12 months later. Furthermore, I didn't have an ultrasound for another 8 years, even though I had an occasional biliary attack. That ultrasound showed no sludge, but instead it reveals that the bile was crystallizing in the ducts, which I have to assume was the primary problem.
There are just as many risks involved in having the gallbladder removed as keeping it, so it's a personal choice. There is plenty to read about the pros and cons, but follow-up studies show that it's not very effective statistically. The bile drips into the duodenum rather than being stored in the gallbladder and this irritates the intestines and can cause bowel cancer 30 years later, so it's not the best solution if you are young.
Just keep going with your cleanse and keep the faith.
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This is a reply to # 2,445,120Oh, I see. I hope you were able to do something about the bile crystallizing in your ducts. I agree with your ND and don't want the surgery, either.
I predicate that decision on my intent to keep going with the cleanses, though. I just finished up my second one. I avoided a migraine this time; I only barely felt one starting to threaten to come on around 7 pm, so I just did some relaxing floor yoga poses with a hot water bottle and it went away. But I cheated on the diet--I was not so strict about no fat, no protein. And I only passed very small stones this time. I also had a more unpleasant time starting around 9 pm when the Epsom Salts really kicked in. I even had to run to the bathroom right after 30 minutes of lying still after the potion, and I feel like it didn't work as well as my first time. So I intend to be more strict next time, and in the meantime, detox as much as possible, while still eating enough to get my strength up and hopefully still avoid the migraine.
I appreciate the support. :)
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”I was surprised by the effectiveness of it, and I wasn’t hungry.”
So I found an interesting article about how reactive hypoglycemia is one of the least understood triggers for migraines. As I understand, it is blood Sugar spikes and subsequent crashes, caused by eating unbalanced simple carbohydrates. Here is the article: https://www.migraineagain.com/sugar-and-migraines-how-your-cravings-hurt/
And such is the diet you have to follow on the day of the Liver Flush (at least according to Moritz). So I plan to try to reduce the Sugar (i.e. fruit) in what I eat, and include a little lean protein (maybe 4-5 grams total but that's it). There are also other protocols out there, but I'm afraid to switch since I've got this one down.- Re: Looks like reactive hypoglycemia... sapphIsBack
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This is a reply to # 2,445,417I'm back under a new handle, because I lost my password and couldn't reset it. I just wanted to wrap up my thread, by confirming that "the blood Sugar rollercoaster", i.e. blood Sugar spikes and crashes, is one of my migraine triggers, and it tends to get triggered when I try to do the liver flush, because of the high-carb, low protein/fat diet. This kind of diet gets me every time (not just when I eat that way for the liver flush).
However, on my last flush, I did manage to avoid the migraine by eating less sugar. This was my third flush, and it went well. Here is what I ate.
Breakfast: oatmeal soaked overnight in lemon water, topped with blackberries. 100 ml of protein smoothie (per 100 ml: 13g sugar, 2g protein, <0.5 g fat).
In between: water with malic acid and a little lemon
Snack: Banana
Lunch: vegetables (with brussels sprouts but no beans) and basmati rice, cooked in just water, salted.
1:45 pm: 150 ml of the protein smoothie
I hope this can help someone else who has been prevented from doing the amazing liver and gallbladder flush due to the same annoying migraine trigger.
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”I was surprised by the effectiveness of it, and I wasn’t hungry.”
After several successful flushes, I was about to do my 7th, when I was again derailed by a migraine. I was pretty stubborn this time, and tried not to let it stop me, but then exactly at 8:00 pm, right when I was supposed to drink the 2nd Epsom Salt dose, I puked up stomach acid because of the migraine. That made me finally decide to give up.
I thought about going to the doctor to get tested for diabetes, but then I decided to test myself. I have a PhD in biology, anyway. Long story short, I still haven't succeeded with the glucose meter, but I get closer every time.
I suspect I worsened my insulin resistance during the time since my 6th flush. The reason being that, I used one of the tricks in Moritz's big book, which succeeded in removing my main symptom, which I've had for many years, which flares up after eating gluten. Since I now "tolerate gluten," I got excited and started eating too much of it (i.e. baked goods), going to the bakery for breakfast sometimes, etc. Now I'm trying again to tamp that down.
I was wondering, does anyone else have this problem, with fluctuating blood Sugar levels while on the all-carb diet necessary for the day of the flush? What if I just straight up water fasted? That probably wouldn't be a good idea, either.- Re: Looks like reactive hypoglycemia... sapphIsBack
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This is a reply to # 2,451,754Unfortunately, I still have not been able to have a successful Liver Flush since my last post. Maybe someone will have something helpful for me this time? That day, I had to not drink the potion, becuase I had the migraine again, and right when I was supposed to drink my second Epsom Salt drink, I threw up stomach acid because the migraine was so bad. So I thought, I cannot do this, bc I cannot keep anything down.
A few weeks later, I tried again. This time, did the flush but it was unsuccessful -- no stones. I presume that the reason is that I cheated a bit on the diet. I included some protein, because I don't know why protein is not supposed to be allowed. Well, it prevented the blood Sugar rollercoaster migraine, but also supposedly prevented a successful flush. I was so bummed. My body is still quite toxic, and it's giving me insomnia, headaches, hairloss, fat indigestion, and other joyous symptoms.
As soon as I get back from vacation, I'm going to try again. Since I'm getting desperate, I might just experiment on myself by eating nothing on cleanse day and just drinking malic acid in water in the morning. And then do the flush. Actually, I'll more likely just eat veggies in the morning and the again for lunch no grains or fruits, those jack my blood Sugar up. Maybe I'll measure it, too.
I will post to update. HTH.- Re: Looks like reactive hypoglycemia... Telman
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”I was surprised by the effectiveness of it, and I wasn’t hungry.”
Maybe someone will have something helpful for me this time? Hmmmm
I can only make suggestions and wonder if you are dumping? Gastric dumping can cause a diabetic response with drops in Sugar levels, low blood pressure, headaches and vomiting. It is caused by the stomach emptying too quickly. It has two phases, early dumping 30 minutes after eating and late about 2 to 3 hours later. Although it is normally associated with gastric surgery, it can just happen.
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This is a reply to # 2,454,291Hi Telman,
First of all, I would like to thank you for making an educated attempt to actually *answer my question*. I've had this thread active for over a freaking year, and the advice has been mostly impertinent, and here I am, still suffering from this issue. You're likely one of the most helpful people in this whole place.
I'd not heard of gastric dumping before. I read a bit about it, and it does sound like there's a possibilty some of that is at play. I did have a diagnosis of gastritis in the past, so I wouldn't be too surprised if I have this, tbh. So, I'm going to do the flush on Saturday, and I plan to eat just veggies, and eat slowly and not too much. That should help with the blood Sugar fluctuations, whether or not gastric dumping is contributing to them. I will post an update. Hope you're having a healthy start to the new year. HTH.- Re: Looks like reactive hypoglycemia... sapphIsBack
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This is a reply to # 2,454,427I am happy to report that my last flush was successful. I did eat only veggies, and a very small amount of rice. I didn't get a headache until about 9:30 pm, and even then, it wasn't a migraine, so pushed through. It wasn't easy, though. It was the most difficulty I've ever had in getting the olive oil drink down (no i did not use cheap oil) I think it's because of how toxid my body was/is. I had to use a straw, because otherwise I got too nauseous. I even just left the last swig in the jar because I really was afraid I would throw up and ruin everything, if I took any more. So I just layed down and tried to calm down. And it ended up working.
So now that I have an idea what's causing my difficulties with the flush, I have an idea what to do about it going forward. I think I'm finally ready to put this old thread to rest. Thanks again to Telman. HTH.Advertisement
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This is a reply to # 2,444,011I'm happy to report I still have my gallbladder, and have been wanting to get back to doing liver flushes, being spring cleanse season and all.
However, I tried doing one the other weekend, and had one of the worst migraines ever. If you think that 'having a headache is a copout' please understand that a migraine is more than just a headache. It includes other symptoms such as nausea. So, like, I even re-tried drinking the first glass of Epsom Salts because I threw up, but it just made me so nauseous, that I immediately threw up again. I felt like dying.
I didn't quite stick to just veggies that time, I also had an apple and some of a smoothie. I also went outside and it was suddenly warm (weather change). I could try again without the sugary stuff, but I want to err on the side of caution. Does anyone know if it's bad to just eat nothing at all on the day of the flush? I can Water Fast just fine. Just not go carb-only.
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