Severe reaction to probiotic
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Hi can you help me. I took a 20 billion probiotic last week and went into a panic attack over the severe reaction my body went into. Major malfunction, I thought I might die. I had diareer , tingling strongly on my head and through my body, heart felt strained, feet went cold as ice, a very horrible scary 7 hours on the bathroom floor not being able to walk to the bed as every time I moved it got worse I'm healing fro Mercury, candida, leaky gut and the auto immune disease Hashimoto's thyroiditis. I had starved the candida for 3 weeks prior to this accident. I usually take a 6 billion acidophilus but had run out and ordered a 20 billion my mistake. Since this happened a week ago, I am ill, in bed, muscles weak, head going tingly, sore unsettled feeling in stomach, couldn't eat for a coupe of days, then just cabbage soup organic of course. Every time I try to go downstairs and move around a little, it gets worse and I have to come back to bed. After researching the nutritional scientists on this, I found out that candida die off releases 79 poisons and that some of those the body is not able to get rid of and they stay in your system damaging muscles and neuro and joints. So I bought Chelated Molybdenum 150mcg tablet. But I am so I'll, I am sacred to make it worse and can't brave taking it. It converts the poisons from the candida die off, to an acid the body can get rid of. I don't know my body can with stand that acid change reaction or if I will go into a panic attack and put a whole mother major strain on my already shockingly weakened body. I've losts lots of weight and an worried. I've been to hospital and they ran lots of blood and urine tests and they said it all fine. I had a naturopath dr round yesterday for a home visit and he wants to give me a remedy for getting Mercury out of the body as he said it's the root cause and Im sure it is. But he didn't seem to know much about the die off poisons and how to combat this, despite me asking him to look into molybdenum. He said don't take anything while your bed ridden, let your body recover first and then take it in a couple of weeks. That's good advice. But at the same time I have seen so little improvement in my physical state. I'm wondering if the only thing that's going to shift this is taking the molybdenum. Has anyone got experience of being wiped out like this and taking molybdenum and not having a bad reaction but it strengthening them? I'm scared of any more reactions in the body. It's not like me to be like this, Im so a very self controlled person and not a wimp, I have 4 kids and was strong before this happened and now I can't water my plants. Please if you know about bad die off, and converting the aldehyde s to acid the body CAN get rid of, or you think this is not die off but something else. Please help me, I feel stuck for advice and alone on this long healing journey that my Docs clueless about. I'm also wondering if this is bordering on an Adrinal crisis or extreme Adrinal exhaustion? Yours sincerely Elaine Thackeray
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Ca... joegrane
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This is a reply to # 2,327,587I'm sorry to hear about your difficult situation.
Did you just take one probiotic capsule or were you taking many of those last week?
Do you have a history of MCS--sensitivity to various foods, additives, odors--diesel, perfumes, etc?
Can you normally tolerate supplements or do they sometimes cause a panic attack or other undesirable symptoms?
Do you drink plenty of water?
Have you tried Epsom Salt--magnesium sulfate-- bath? Some like the more subtle effect of a foot bath. It would be a safer way to start.
Magnesium typically has a calming effect on the body. Sulfate is needed for one of the liver's detox processes. The body uses molybdenum to make sulfate.
Magnesium also tends to help with constipation.
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Ca... holysin
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This is a reply to # 2,327,587You have a auto immune disorder. You should know not to take probiotics. Your small intestine is damaged that's the only way to get a auto immune reaction.
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Ca... Sugarboo64
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This is a reply to # 2,327,618People can have bad reactions to colostrum too!
I am similar to Elaine and I took a 500 mg pill of collustrum. I felt incredibly sick within 30 minutes and had to lay down in bed. Within another 30 minutes, I started to have extreme flu like symptoms and started to shake violently. I felt incredibly cold and got under heavy blankets and laid there for 4 hours shivering and feeling like I was dying. I was so weak and disoriented that I could not even call out to someone in the house for help. By the end of the four hour reaction, I finally screamed out to call an ambulance. On the way to the hospital I started to feel better. I told the doctor I had intestinal Candida overgrowth and was using the colostrum in hopes it would help. I had to beg them to give me a saline IV to help wash the colostrum and toxins out of my bloodstream. Within an hour after the INTRAVENOUS SALINE , I felt back to almost normal. It took about one week to feel myself again. Here it is 1 1/2 years later and I'm no better today than back then. I have 15 root canals from the time I was 15, and 20 crowns in my mouth. I have juvenile diabetes, leaky gut, and several heart stents. I look the picture of health but I truly believe the dental work is what made me sick all these years. I just can't handle the thought of pulling all my teeth out in hopes of getting rid of the intestinal Candida. My diet is perfect : organic, extremely low carb, grass fed beef and grass fed butter, chicken soup from farm raised chickens, cooked organic vegetables, all low oxalates foods, water, lemon, and a few farm eggs. This lifestyle helps keep me stable but I still see a downward trend. I've spent 1000's of dollars on supplements in hopes they would help but Undecylenic acid SF722 seems to be the only thing that contributes positively. I've been constipated severely for 35 years and use to take laxatives a few times a week. When I learned about the leaky gut, I started doing distilled water enemas with a probiotic added and about 2000mg butyric acid. They have helped with inflammation but only temporarily, as it where's off by the 4th day, when I have to do a quart size enema again. I have to make all my own fresh food and life is hard. Just wish I new how to conquer this so I could get in with the rest of my life.
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Ca... jhan
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This is a reply to # 2,385,572Constipation mag deficiency and oil
Constipation is mainly due to magnesiun deficiency
Candida depletes mag - I would not be surprised if - at the very root of candida suffering - this deficiency would be the very culprit (along with heavy metal pollution - which depletes mag.)
https://www.thecandidadiet.com/candida-magnesium-deficiency/
Some veggies -like purslane- are a great source of mag. (I juice some on a daily basis) otherwise the magnesium ionic solution purchased at your health store will do the trick - (Magnesium Chloride is even better for constipation - but on the long run, you shall need to switch to the ionic mix, so if you are short in money purchase the ionic solution- if not purchase both and use the chloride when you feel constipation is at your door. Liquid assimilates better - there is the supplement option as well)
Oil is your 2nd alternative to get regular bm (bwl mvt) You need that too.
A few spoonful of flaxseed with almond milk and yogurt for breakfast will provide with oil + Antioxidants (Lignans) + fiber (bowel cleanse) and friendly flora (yogurt) PLUS it will help you become regular.
Any flaxseed meal -brown (cheaper) or blond-
Countering constipation is KEY to fighting candida
1 table spoon of extra virgin oil at bedtime would result is a bm the next morning. - Re: Severe reaction to probiotic
Ca... joegrane
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This is a reply to # 2,385,572Quote: I have 15 root canals from the time I was 15, and 20 crowns in my mouth. ...I truly believe the dental work is what made me sick all these years.
Are you familiar with Dr Jerry Tennant? He says he had terminal encephalitis until he realized a bad root canal was taking down the voltage on the meridian servicing his spleen--part of the immune system.
A month or so after removing the root canal his health was restored!
He tells his very interesting story and more of the underlying Science in this 2014 talk at a mercury-free dentistry association.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XicmDDmVBs
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Ca... Optimistik
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This is a reply to # 2,327,587Greetings Elaine!
Our thoughts are with you and you will get through this!
I agree with Joe, an Epsom Salt bath will draw out the toxins responsible for your symptoms, and the magnesium will have a soothing effect.
Another thing to help:
Have you tried coffee enemas to attempt a cleanse of the blood?
http://hypothyroidmom.com/10-things-you-can-do-to-love-your-thyroid-back-to-health/
http://thyroidfoodie.tv/bottoms-up-how-why-i-finally-tried-a-coffee-enema-for-my-hashimotos-disease/
https://metabolichealing.com/advanced-detoxification-procedures-revealed/
I believe if you do this right away you will experience some major relief in your symptoms. There are many forums dedicated to coffee enema procedures. How I do it:
If your bowels are not clean beforehand, you will need to do a quick Sea Salt /filtered water enema to get the immediate poo out. 1-2 quarts for 3 min or so should be sufficient.
1) Get 3 Tbsp (some people recommend starting with as little as 1 tsp just to make sure there is no negative reaction, but I don't know how much of a positive effect you would get from this amount) Organic Whole Medium Roast Beans (I grind them fresh at home prior to making an enema solution; if you don't have a grinder, Trader Joe's lets you open the can you buy and grind them at the store)
2) Boil 1 quart filtered/spring water-add coffee and boil for 2-5 min, stirring occasionally
3) Reduce heat and cover with tight lid, simmer for 15 min(Removes harmful oils contained in beans)
4) Remove from heat, strain into something that holds at least a quart of liquid. Some of the water evaporated during boiling, use this as an opportunity to add some cooler water so the enema may be taken comfortably (normally if you stick your finger in it and it feels slightly warm its good)
5) DO NOT ADD ANYTHING TO THE ENEMA, adding epsom or Sea Salt will not allow the coffee to be absorbed, hence the caffeine will not be able to cleanse the liver as it needs to.
6) Hang bag between 18-24" above the ground, lay on your RIGHT side and take the solution. You will get cramps if you aren't used to them, just try to focus on relaxing, breathing fast can help sometimes, and gently massage the area with the cramps. It is just gas buildup, it will pass.
Hold the solution for 12-15 minutes or as long as possible.
Expel.
7) Drink a glass of water with 1/4 Tsp Sea Salt after to restore electrolytes lost during enema or you may get dehydrated, possibly making your symptoms worse.
8) If in 15 minutes after expelling you are still experiencing strong, negative symptoms, repeat the enema. Be advised there is the possibility of the caffeine causing some anxiety if you hold the solution in too long(most people new to CE's can't even hold them for 3-4 min, much less more than 15) However, the majority of people experience the opposite effect(myself included), which is an extreme sense of peace and relaxation that is brought about from the relief provided the liver by the coffee.
This WILL HELP YOU IMMEDIATELY but will not be a cureall for your condition, I don't believe. In the long run it will be a great addition to helping you to recover, but I'm sure other therapies will be needed as well. Best of luck and wishes and I pray you find an answer to this in the long term.
-Optimistik - Re: Severe reaction to probiotic
Ca... linenup
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This is a reply to # 2,327,587My suspicion is that the bacteria in the probiotic set off the immune system and this is why you are seeing this inflammatory condition. The immune system is dysregulated because of the primary infection which means that that likely the immune system did not like that form of bacteria put into the system.
When the immune system hyper reacts then it spills out lots of strong chemicals which are all strong oxidants. These oxidants then overwhelm the body and you see these symptoms. In other words, your body is being poisoned by the immune response.
When this happens for me, I use bulk charcoal which has been a great weapon, it will pull out toxins like crazy. I also use Vitamin E and other antioxidants. Buffering agents will also neutralize the acids that are created by the immune reaction. Buffering agents would include magnesium, potassium and sodium. Ionic minerals contain these agents and neutralize toxins. There are a number of products such as IonCharge by Source Naturals.
Candida can be bad but there could be a number of other pathogens that inhabit the gut including parasites. parasites are more problematic than candida in most cases. In my case this was true. Test the protocols for candida and if you do not see improvement then other pathogens should be considered.- Re: Severe reaction to probiotic
Ca... aerowallah
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This is a reply to # 2,328,1761. Coffe enemas EXCELLENT idea. Whatever you have done to yourself that might be detoxing too hard CEs will reduce the symptoms.
2. Try small amounts of live culture kefir if you can find it. It recolonises bad yeast with good. Pills don't. But go low and slow. Metals bind to bad bacteria so you may be having a bad metal detox reaction.
3. Research EVERYTHING your doctor gives you. Piling on more protocols just give your body more to rebalance.
4. balancing electrolytes is good if you have AF. I like Trace Minerals. Magnesium glycinate or malate separetly may help calm everything down.
5. If you have liberated a lot of metals you might want to use a binding agent. Charcoal is good, diatomaceous clay is good.
CEs plus a binding agent should help you clear out a lot of what you've stirred up before it gets reabsorbed. All our livers need help. Good luck!- Re: Severe reaction to probiotic
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This is a reply to # 2,328,279Biocare Cellguard Forte is a good antioxadant.
Celtic Sea Salt .
Enzymedica Basic enzyme. Well tolerated.
Higher Nature vit d in oil.
Short walks around the garden for your cold limbs, several times a day. Will be worse in cold climate. Wear socks. Feet will take on a purple effect in cold weather and if not walked adequately, I know from experience.
Have had good results with Hubner gastrointestinal gel, temporary relief, can have constipation effect at first but this will pass.
Your immune system can be compromised by taking a probiotic that does not suit you. When you take probiotics you should open the capsule and try tiny amounts at first to test response.
You will improve and be able to get out of bed, be getting antioxadant in to you.
Get your electrolytes tested and hormones tested if they have not done so.
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Ca... #69242
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This is a reply to # 2,328,429The SCD Low and Slow Method for introducing Probiotics.
This is quoted from SCD,
It is easiest to start with a probiotic that is in capsule form, where each capsule is equivalent to 3 billion cfus.
Mix 1 capsule with 1/4 cup of water, until the mixture is well mixed. This will be known as the probiotic mixture.
Measure out 1 TBSP of the probiotic mixture.
By starting at this level you will be administering approx 750 million cells of probiotic. Once that level is tolerated increase the amount of probiotic mixture to 2 TBSP. Once that is tolerated increase to 3 TBSP. Then increase to 4 TBSP. At that point you will be taking 3 billion CFU.
If you can't tolerate 1 TBSP of the probiotic mixture then you should start with1/8 of a teaspoon of the mixture or even smaller.
There is also a subgroup of people who can't tolerate any probiotics during the first months of SCD.
The probiotic mixture should be thrown away after a while.
Obviously this applies to the SCD Diet but Elaine's point is clear that probiotics can be introduced slowly and may not suit everyone.
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