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What is causing peeling lips, extreme Body Odor , acne, cracked lips, Exfoliative Cheilitis, Factitious Cheilitis, Idiopathic Cheilitis, Angular Cheilitis, Eczema, Psoriasis, Dermatitis, Seb-Derm, KP, allergies, hives, etc ?
I posted this message further down on this forum, but to make sure all people see it, here it is, explained.
"what are your thoughts on what ec is?"
In some people it is just an allergy to one or several chemicals like SLS, or cat allergy or wheat allergy or gluten intollerance.
But deep inside, what caused the allergy or intollerance is a serious imbalance or damage in intestinal microbiota, often caused by Antibiotics or by some other medications or modern lifestyle and diet.
Damaged intestinal microbiota is also cause of huge long list of other diseases and skin problems like acne, extreme Body Odor , Seborrheic Dermatitis , allergies, candida, eczema, contact dermatitis, psoriasis, KP, and even some cases of multiple sclerosis, parkinsons, arthritis, and many other diseases, including cancer.
Our intestinal microbiota ( hundreds of different types of bacteria, yeast and viruse living naturally in perfect balance or in constant war inside our colon ) is probably one of the most important organ for our health and one of the most important organ generating our immunity to many diseases.
I call it an organ becuase it is inside our body, but no doctor will ever call it an organ. They will say it is actually a part of our external environment, and is not an organ in the very strict sense of the word. They also treat it as if it is not an organ, but is a part of our environment. They poison it, destroy it, kill it, cripple it.
Nevertheless, intestinal microbiota is so important, and unfortunately so misunderstood and so abused and mistreated by modern medicine and modern lifestyle, diet, hygiene, modern everything.
We are abusing it and mistreating it with sulfites , benzoates , sorbates , nitrates , nitrites , citrates , alcoholic beverages, chlorine in water, preservatives , sugar, vinegar, pesticides, Antibiotics , ..... and in the end we expect it to work for us like a perfect Rolex clock.
Good Luck with that!
Beside helping our digestion, one of the main functions of
intestinal microbiota is to keep our immun system healthy and working the way it is suppose to work.
Autoimmune diseases and disorders were almost non-existent prior to the age of Antibiotics , age of pesticides, age of amalgam, age of root canals, age of molar cavitations, age of sterile food and sterile world. Allergies were also almost non-existent.
Fastforward today, and 25 - 33% of all kids born today are going to develop an allergy during the first 18 years of their life.
200 years ago allergies didn't exist. Exteremely rare!
Imagine having a polen allergy 200 years ago?
Welcome to the age of antibiotics and welcome to the clean and sterile world !
God forbid eating something with dirty hands!
You will get sick!
Wash your hands!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wash them with antibacterial soap!!!
You don't want those nasty bugs inside of you!!
No animal in the world washes its "hands" before eating!
Dogs eat dogs shit! That is how they keep their microbiota running full speed!
You don't even have to be treated with antibiotics ever in your life today!
If your mother and your grandmother was treated, your microbiota is already damaged.
You are born crippled!!!!!
Even if you are missing just 5-10% of the species that should be there, you are like born crippled!!!!!
You are missing some important species, and it is very hard to make them live and survive inside your colon, unless they were introduced at birth.
That is the biggest problem!
To be healthy, human need huge number of microscopic species, and to develop properely digestion, we need it from the first day of birth.
When a newborn child is born, the first feces is almot 100% sterile.
It is dark green, almost black.
How do you know that intestinal microbiota started forming?
The feces start coming out yellow, usually the second day.
Intestinal microbiota converts green bile into a yellow color, mixed with mothers milk .
The real problem with damaged microbiota is that it creates
long term damage! Damage that even crosses generations!
How is human intestinal microbiota permanently damaged?
Human intestinal microbiota can be damaged in many ways:
- cesarean birth ( baby don't get in touch with natural bacteria living inside vagina, instead it gets in touch with sterile blood and strile hands of a surgeon. On top of that, cesarean birth often results in no milk, so the first meal baby gets is sterile formula made from cow milk powder and a long list of other ingredients )
- lack of breastfeeding ( baby don't get in touch with natural bacteria living inside mother milk. This is extremely important, and even modern doctors are now becoming more aware of how breastfeeding is important, and how important it is for babys health (the rest of the life) )
- if mother have used antibiotics or other medications before or during pregnancy, she damaged her own intestinal microbiota and now she is passing damage to her kids, even in case of perect natural birth, and perfect natural breastfeeding.
- diet (there are antibiotics and preservatives in modern diet , not to mention sugar, alcohol, vinegar, pesticides, chlorine, and a long list of chemicals added for killing bacteria.)
- if yiu are exposed to other unnatural chemicals, it can damage your microbiota. The longer exposure, the higher chances of permanent, irreversible damage
- infected teeth with root canals can affect whole body
- infected cavitations left after extraction of molar teeth
- Amalgam in teeth
- poisoning with food or anything else
The real underlying cause of EC is damaged microbiota or whatever caused the damage in the firt place ( doctors with medications and procedures, dentists, toxins etc).
That may lead to allergies, intolerance, intestinal damage, intestinal inflamation, and in the end you have EC, or acne, or eczema, or depression, or schisophrenia or psoriasis....
Damaged microbiota can lead to: allergies , food intollerance , intollerance to other chemicals , liver damage, kidney damage, autoimmune diseases , intestinal damage ...
In some poeple it is a downward spiral.
How to restore damaged microbiota ?
Diet can help some people. Some people can reverse damage 100% wit diet, others can only manage it with diet.
In some people intestinal microbiota can be damaged beyond the possibility of it to be repaired by good diet.
In that case, beside diet, you may need to use some "heavy guns".
Heavy guns in healing digestive tract are:
Heavy physical activity. (this one may not help to those who are already into heavy physical activity, like people living from sport).
5 - 25 liver flushes, one every 2 - 3 weeks (oilve oil + grapefruit juice ) ( there is a liver Flush FAQ on curezone with all questions answered and also a forum with the same name )
Lugols Iodine ( there is Iodine FAQ on curezone with all questions answered and also a forum With the same name )
It is safer to use it externaly on your skin, rather than ingesting large doses orraly. Oral Iodine can damage intestinal microbiota. If you paint it on the skin, it goes into your blood without touching your intestinal microbiota.
Fecal Transplant FMT . This one is the most powerful therapy, but only if you get a good donor. Donor is 99.9% of the therapy. (there are many pages on this site with all questions answered and also a forum With the same name )
chewing food longer works for some poeple.
home made yogurt or home made kefir or other fermented foods made from raw milk work wonders for some people.
many others I can't think of right now
If this approach doesn't help 100%, look into other subjects like Amalgam , root canals , cavitation surgery , gastroparesis , candida options, paleo diet , house cleanup (chemicals) etc.
I am not a doctor or nutritionist or naturopath, or any other lable. I am just an obsrver.
When something is labled AUTOIMMUNE, it more often then not means messed-up intestinal microbiota is the cause.
Repairing intestinal microbiota can often 100% cure many cases labled AUTOIMMUNE like Atopic allergy, multiple sclerosis, ALS, Addison's disease, Alopecia areata, Atopic dermatitis, Celiac disease, cancer, Juvenile idiopathic , Rheumatoid Arthritis , Psoriatic arthritis, parkinsons, Lupus erythematosus, Endometriosis, Ankylosing Spondylitis, Schizophrenia, EC, eczema, and can even prevent type 2 diabetes.
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This is a reply to # 2,170,369THANK YOU for all of your post, they are some of the most informative i see on this site.
I have stopped seeing doctors/dermatologist about this condition since they just prescribe me hydrocortisone or tell me ive been in the sun to long. HELLO im ghostly white i dont even go in the sun hardly at all!!
I've started eliminating soaps/shampoos/toothpaste that have chemicals in them that i cant even pronounce.
I've also started changig my diet and cut out fast food completely.
Im hoping this will reduce the inflammation in the lips
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This is a reply to # 2,170,370Drink some good quality oil daily, if you don't want to flush liver.
How do you know oil is good?
Shouild be cold pressed, should taste good, and is usually expensive.
Extra Virgine Olive-Oil works for some people.
Other prefer walnut oil. Or other oils.
Mix several tablespoons of good quality oil with grapefruit juice, or lime juice or orange juice, add it to a salad and eat it or just drink it. It will help with bile flow.
Bile helps keep microbiota healthy and in balance.
Try to make your own yoghurt.
Mix fresh yoghurt with cold pressed, refrigereated flaxseed oil, and eat it / drink it.
Once you open a bottle of flaxseed oil, keep it frozen, to prevent it going bad. Glass bottle will not brake in the freezer.
Read about Johanna Budwig diet ( flaxseed oil + cottage cheese )
This diet does wonders for inflamed digestive tract!
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This is a reply to # 2,170,409White Shark,
I never thought about dogs eating poop as a good thing until I read your post. Now that I think about it, a Poop Transplant is the same thing. In addition to celiac disease, I also had endometriosis. But you are saying, I can get rid of endometriosis with probiotics? Do you recommend any particular strains? I already know that the B. infantis strain is really good for the gut. Thanks.
Also, do you think probiotics or poop transplants can remedy the following issue?
http://www.newser.com/story/186145/post-antibiotic-era-a-deadlier-threat-than-aids-who.html?utm_source=part&utm_medium=united&utm_campaign=rss_topnews
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This is a reply to # 2,170,458
Beside 99% of genes, we share instinct to eat poop.
Human babies instinctivly take poop from the ground an eat it, if available.
Gorillas do the same:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2b_zEg6dSyw
This was recorded at the San Diego Zoo, January 20th 2012. The gorilla had a hard time pooping, and ran around with a dingleberry. Finally he sat down, pulled out an ENOURMOUS shit then started playing with it, and then eating it. Later, his son stole some and ate that too.
Learn from our brothers!
Chimps do the same:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jxdSIFOtn8
Elephants do it:
Almost all mamals have instinct to eat poop.
Almost all predators consume intestines and poop of their pray.
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This is a reply to # 2,170,458You write:
Also, do you think probiotics or poop transplants can remedy the following issue?
http://www.newser.com/story/186145/post-antibiotic-era-a-deadlier-threat-than...
Escherichia coli is killed by lactobacillus in yoghurt.
http://www.medindia.net/news/view_news_main.asp?x=8048
A high school student in the US has discovered a protein in yoghurt that has the potential to fight E.coli, the leading cause of diarrhoea in the world.
The yet to be named protein was discovered by 16-year-old Serena Fasano, a junior at Glenelg High School, after three years of research at the University Of Maryland School Of Medicine. Her father is director of the Mucosal Biology Research Center.
Read more: A Protein In Yoghurt Has The Potential To Fight E. coli | Medindia http://www.medindia.net/news/view_news_main.asp?x=8048#ixzz30OC5ttTF
If you feed your kids natural foods, their immunity and intestinal mirobiota will keep E. coli at bay.
Actually, most breastfed kids fed natural foods never need any medications, ever.
They can run fever for one or 2 days and heal from any illnes, but most of the time they are healthy.
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This is a reply to # 2,170,458"But you are saying, I can get rid of endometriosis with probiotics?"
I would say very healthy Diet + Liver Flushes + probiotics or FMT.
One of the jobs of liver is to break down hormones, and to flush them out of the system, in form of bile.
Between other problems, endometriosis also means hormonal imbalance. That is why Liver Flushes or liver bitters are important.
Read stories here:
//www.curezone.org/forums/s.asp?f=353&ob=v&c=14
healthy Diet would mean making all foods at home, from scratch.
"Do you recommend any particular strains?"
Make your own yogurt, from probiotic capsules you already have.
That is the best.
How to:
http://www.makeyourownyogurt.com/make-yogurt/what-you-need
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This is a reply to # 2,170,491I was wondering if increased liver enzyme AST could play a role in EC. Celiac disease causes increased liver enzymes. I mean check your results to see if it is in the higher end of normal range. I can really see how Liver Cleanses could help with that.
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This is a reply to # 2,170,369thanks for the information - I agree with a lot of what you are saying - I always believe in natural methods before medical. My son has had EC for 3 years - he got it after taking minocycline and it has never gone away. He was in the hospital as a baby because he swallowed some amniotic fluid and was jaundice so they gave him Antibiotics and he wasn't breastfed cause they kept him in the hospital. I think the Antibiotics is what messed up his system. As a baby he always had runny poop probably from that.
We have done a lot of natural things - he did an anti-inflammatory diet for several months give to us by a naturopath. he also did gluten free for about 3 months as well as doing fresh cucumber, Celery and apple juices. he has also taken probiotics, cocounut oil, and many vitamins with no changes. I have been reading about Water Fasting and am thinking about having him do that for a while and then going back to eathing healthy - what do you think about Water Fasting - from what I have heard the body heals itself faster when it is only given water.
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This is a reply to # 2,170,512there was an excerpt from Aajonus's book about a lady who tried consuming feces from healthy animals to aid in her healing of her gut flora. Aajonus recommends it as a speedier healing since she couldn't get all her microbes from his food recommendations. I agree that eating poop may seem so foreign nowadays. It's a lost practice that goes along many others like consuming soil/clay or the process of soaking nuts, seeds, grains and legumes before eating.
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This is a reply to # 2,170,595How come people get food poisoning if a restaurant worker doesn't wash poop off hands after using the restroom? Or one might not be able to do this unless there is enough lactobacillus in gut to prevent e. coli? I am not thinking about eating poop myself, but just wondering.
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This is a reply to # 2,170,619white shark great post! for me a 99% agree with everything you have said... i believe ec is cureable through natural approaches for everybody although some people might take 3 months or 9 months if they stick by it and no cheating they will get there! im so pumped iv gone healthy following the aip diet and also supplementing with pro biotics and vitmamins this month im going to concetrate on gym and lots of running(sweating) im also tempted to do a few Liver Flushes will read into it... my father and his parents were anti-biotic freaks.. so i pressume bad gut flora runs in the family the funny thing for me is i got this about 1 month after takeing anti-biotics so there could be a connection for me... and i did take about 4 rounds during the ages 18-22. ec started at 21 for me.. anyways im now into my 12 week of strict aip and i cant wait to get to around the 6 month period im quite confident i will be seeing great results by then! thanks in adv Acne and if i dont have success i will be sure to let everybody know! you should check out paleomom her website goes into detail about gut health and how to heal the gut!
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This is a reply to # 2,170,512If we take all you wrote into consideration, especially the fact his lips were not helped by restrictive diets he tried so far, I would have not wasted a single day anymore, I would have jumped directly on FMT .
Why play war with small guns, when the largest gun is flushed down the toilet every day.
He is too young to experience huge improvement by liver flushing, that leaves just FMT and home made yogurt as the biggest guns to try.
It is not uncommon for young kids to be cured by just one single FMT treatment.
FMT is far less complicated than Liver Flush or restrictive diets.
See these videos:
Within 24 hours of fecal transplant, all symptoms were gone including bloody diarrhea up to 7 times day.
Fasting?
Consider fasting to be a diagnostic method.
If your son goes on Juice fasting or Water Fast for several days or maybe 2 weeks, his lips will heal if it was something in his diet causing the irritation.
People who are intollerant to milk, egs, wheat, gluten, cheese, potatoes, etc .... but they don't know what they are intollerant of, they can use fasting as the fastest method to find out if their everyday diet contains something causing thesymptoms, whatever symptoms they have.
Lips would usually heal within 7 days of fasting, if all you are intollerant of has been eliminated from the diet.
Important. I would start fast with a few days of juicing, before jumping on water fast.
I would flush my intestines (with magnesium sulfate, or magnesium citrate, or magnesium chloride or with saltwater flush or with enema or with colonics ) during the juice fast, so when I jump on water fast, my intestines would be 100% clean, no feces, no constipation.
It is common to be constipated, when started fasting, that is why intestinal flush is a must.
It is very important not to have anything inside your intestines, while you are on the juice or water fast, or you may get sick, hungry, even poisoned by the content of your own intestines.
That is the main reason why people give-up fasting. They know nothing about the flush.
For the best results, I would always sart a fast with liver flush, making sure my flush includes water with magnesium (sulfate or chloride or citrate ).
All common forms of inorganic magnesium tend to flush intestines (magnesium sulfate - Epsom Salt , magnesium citrate, magnesium chloride).
If his lips become natural after 7 - 10 days of fasting, that will be a proof of 1 or 2 things:
There was something in his diet irritating his intestines and/ or his microbiota is so imballanced that just keeping intestines clean and empty is enough to achieve cure.
If his lips don't improve within 7 - 10 days of fasting, it is a clear sign diet is not the main problem.
In this case the problem could be an allergy to something in his environment. It could be fungus in the house, it could be a single house plant or garedn plant, or it could be anything he is using as a soap or toothpaste.
It could be latex allergy.
It could be allergy to carpets, mattrasses, furniture, wallpaint, paints stored in the basement, etc.
It could be allergy to whatever you are using to wash clothes or dishes.
When it is not diet, the easiest way to find out if it is house, is to go camping.
2 weeks coamping in nature and the lips would improve, if he is alergic to somethng in the house.
No tent, no mattress. Sleeping og thick layer of dry grass, and tent made from brances. That way no contact with any chemical from any factory.
If I were you, I would have eliminated all and every cosmetics and soaps from the house. Put it all in one box , and store it in your garage, or anywhere far from the house for several weeks. including whatever you are using to wash dishes and clothes.
Dishes can be washed with hot water.
Clothes can be washed with borax.
For teeth: just dissolve unrefined Sea Salt in water and us the water for brushing teeth, washing teeth, swishing it.
Salt water can also be used for washing hands and body.
Also, borax can be used as main soap for hands, body and hair.
That way, anything coming from a factory, anything with fragrance, SLS, etc. has been eliminated, so it does not affect fasting.
That way, fasting is the most effetive tool to diagnose possible allergy or intolerance.
If he is not ready to start fasting today, you should make a homemade yogurt, and includ it in diet, if you ae positive he is able to tolerate yogurt.
http://www.makeyourownyogurt.com/make-yogurt/what-you-need
As a yogurt starter you can use any probiotics or any other yogurt or sour cream.
If I were your son, I would take some homemade yogurt into a rectal syringe, and squeeze it into my rectum, and try to keep it there for a few hours.
It is not as effective as FMT, but for some people it works miracles, and you don't need a donor.
If I were you when your son was a baby, I would have taken some yogurt into a small glass dropper, and I would have squeeze it into his rectum, that would have stopped baby diarrhea, and would have helped his microbiota. Could have even prevented some of nowdays problems.
There are many things to try if one thing fails.
Read this:
//www.curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=67345
Hope your son gets some ideas from this message.
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This is a reply to # 2,170,691Hey White shark,
Dr Borody in Australia intends on having 'crapsules' for sale sometime later this year i think. I'd still prefer the fresh poop though things are going pretty well for me on the FMT. 2 weeks in, so still very early, but seeing enough good signs to continue on with it.- Re: The cause of peeling lips, EC, B... jsl123
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This is a reply to # 2,170,723white sharks if the gut flora is out of whack and damaged i dont think a juice fast will reverse that and bring it back to complete healing within 7 days? rather a longterm diet and correct foods and supplements for a long period would? iv never heard before that a juice fats would heal gyut flora
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This is a reply to # 2,170,889The Poop Transplant seems to work best for diarrhea issues. I never had diarrhea issues. Has anyone else?
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This is a reply to # 2,170,908Poop tranplant will work for any gut flora related imbalance. I have been eliminating twice as much as usual so it's definitely clearing out the accumulate old waste that gets stuck in the small bowel (SIBO).
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This is a reply to # 2,170,948You're doing the poop transplants? Do you have peeling lips? Just wondering why the right probiotic strains (in pill or liquid form) couldn't rebalance the gut flora? I worry about picking up parasites/viruses from others. Is the poop tested for parasites/viruses before the transplant?
I just found the answer here:
http://fecaltransplant.org/fecal-transplants-how-to-do-it-yourself-video/
"While bacteria from yogurt cultures can be helpful, most of those bacteria strains are not native to the human body, so they don’t tend to stick around after the treatments stop. However since bacteria from a human donor are native to the human body they can help establish a self-sustaining bacterial colony which persists and continues to keep you healthy indefinitely without any continuing treatments."
But, I do not get probiotics from yogurt. I thought I was buying the stains native to human body in pill form? I heard that UNPASTEURIZED Kefir has so much more probiotics than pills. Couldn't you do that instead? Someone recommended buying the unpasteurized milk/kefir from a small farm so it wouldn't be contaminated. It seems like a hassle, but less of a hassle than a poop transplant.
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This is a reply to # 2,170,889You wrote:
"if the gut flora is out of whack and damaged i don't think a juice fast will reverse that and bring it back to complete healing within 7 days?"
You are right about that.
You are not going to fast 7-10 days to cure gut flora.
Gut flora reacts to whatever comes through your mouth.
You are going to fast to find out if your everyday diet is a cause of all or just some of your major symptoms.
Lets say you are new to everything, you just arrived to this board, and you read 5 success stories where people cured their peeling lips by eliminating from thier diet whatever they are intollerant to.
You read that some people cured it by eliminating wheat, other cured it by eliminating all gluten, other eliminated meat, or lactose, or Sugar or eggs or sulfites or Sugar etc.
So, you start reading about Rotation - Elimination Diet but it all sounds very compicated and very difficult, so yo get scared of it and you give up before you even try anything.
Bad move, but common move. 80-90% of people fall in this category. Rotation - Elimination Diet sounds too complicated to 80 - 90% of people.
Fasting is far more simple than Rotation - Elimination Diet .
Juice fasting is only a few days warm-up for the real water fast.
If the cause of your symptoms is inability to tolerate someting you are consumin every day or at leat every week, someting like gluten, milk, eggs, wheat, meat, sugar, sulfites , benzoates , sorbates , corn syrup, grains, corn etc... and you start fasting, you will eliminate from your diet just about everything you eat, except water.
When water fasting, the water should be the cleanest available, your local tap water, more often than not, is not good enough.
My experience with people suffering from eczema, acne, EC peeling lips, psoriasis, hives, allergies, Seborrheic Dermatitis , folliculitis, dry skin, itchy skin, cracked skin , IBS, IBD, other chronic problems etc... is: if they are intollerant to something in their everyday diet, and if that intollerance is major cause of their symptoms, and if they start fasting, while in the same time making sure intestines are flushed out clean during the first few days of fast, their symptoms will improve within 7-10 days at least 50%, sometimes even 100%.
If intestines are NOT flushed out clean, some of the foods from the past diet may stay there for weeks, and will definitively messup the results of fast, wasting the good fast.
Psoriasis takes almost always longer to improve than eczema.
Acne may dry out in 5-7 days.
Lips EC may significantly improve in 7-10 days.
Seborrheic Dermatitis may improve in 4- 5 days.
Symptoms of IBD disappear in a few days.
Juice fsting may not be enough, if you are intillerant to carrots, beats or whatever juice you are drinking.
That is why at least 7 days on water will give far better answer.
It is not a cure all, it is a diagnostic method.
It answers one very important question:
Are the symptoms you are experiencing caused by intolerance to something you are eating almost every day?
If your condition imroves, even just 30% improvement in 7 days, the answer to the question is: YES! Your diet contains something you are unable to tolerate.
Now that you know the answer, you can continue with rotation - Elimination Diet following your fast, and pinpoint exactly what it is.
It is smart to end Water Fast with fresh juice, not with hard food. Read more on Water Fasting forum.
Considering there are many people having problems with wheat, gluten, milk, eggs, animal meat/fet, sugar, sulifetes, sorbates , benzoates , etc... you would continue your new restrictive diet without those foods for a few weeks longer.
If your condition continues improving, your answer YES will be even more sure.
After several weeks on restrictive diet, you would add just one of those foods into your diet, and you would observed your reaction.
If no reaction to eggs, eggs are good.
If no reaction, the food is added to the white list.
If negative reaction, the food is added to black list, and you would not try re-introducing it until you try FMT or Liver Flush or yogurt or kefir enema.
If your condition show now improvement during fast, it could mean you are allergic to your cat, or your wallpaper, or the fire retardant in the mattres you are sleeping on, or fire retardant in the carpets or paints in your house or whatever else you are in contact with.
It could be something in your water.
It is a diagnostic method, not a cur
e all.
After all, at least 80% of people on this list
//www.curezone.org/forums/s.asp?f=403&ob=v&c=14
and this list:
//www.curezone.org/forums/s.asp?f=1054&ob=v&c=14
solved their problems through some restrictive diet, so it is worth testing the hypothesis.
But, as you can not fast forever, you will have to work on finding what it really is.
Lists of Blood Type Diet may help narrow the common suspects:
//www.curezone.org/diet/blood_type.asp
Become Sherlock Holmes and find all suspects.
WS
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- FMT donor White Shark
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This is a reply to # 2,170,723Hi Hadenuff,
It is great your are doing well on FMT .
I guess you already know what my answer would be on Dr Borody's business idea. He is going to make money with it, no doubt, but I sincerely doubt capsules are going to be anything like real FMT therapy.
Just compare probiotic capsules with a glass of home made yogurt.
Just a single glass of home made yogurt contains trillion times more live bacteria than a full bottle of probiotic capsules.
Why would anyone waste money and time on something inferior, when the most supperior medicine is flushed down the toilet every day? Convenience? Frozen pizza is far more convenient compared to home made pizza, but there is a trade-off.
Your FMT donor
One thought striked me about your doenor, and is not willing to leave my mind since I heard it. You said somewhere your donor is healthy vegetarian? Am I right?
Why is he vegetarian? Religion? Belief? Ecology? Health? Fashion? Animal lover?
I have met thousands of people following different vegetarian diets. I used to be vegetarian myself for longer than 12 years, so you can imagine how many simlar people you can meet in 12 years, including members of your own family.
More ofthen than not, vegetarians are vegetarians because they really feel better and feel healthier on vegetarian diet.
Feel better on vegetarian diet = intolerance to animal protein and / or animal fet.
I myself was intollerant to animal fet.
Intolerance to animal protein / fet = poor liver function and also poor microbiota.
I solved my problems 14 years ago with multiple Liver Flushes over a year or 2 time, but I am stil in contact with many vegetarians who are struggling with their health.
If I would be looking for FMT donor, I would look for a person who is able to eat anything, even able to drink alcohol and anything, able to smoke tobacco, eat any kind of junk food, and is still healthy and feels good and is visiting toilet regularly.
Why?
If a person is able to eat and digest any junk and any drinks and is still healthy without any symptoms, it is a great sign the persons liver is extremely healthy, bowels are healthy and also microbiota is healthy.
That is a kind of poop donor I would have been looking for. Not many of them left today, but sure they exist.
Now, do not get me wrong, your donor might be 100% healthy person, and his decision on being vegetarian might have nothing to do with his food tolerance, but I just had to write all this here, so any other people understand that a vegetarian donor is not necessarily better donor when compared to omnivore. Actually, it could be a worse donor.
Keep us updated with your progress on FMT.
One more thing you can do beside FMT is make your own yogurt and your own kefir, and use it from the rear end, it can aid the FMT . Especialy those days you do not have access to fresh poop.
best of health
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This is a reply to # 2,170,965hey white shark,
if i take pasteurized yogurt(with something like 6% fat) with a rotating lid, empty into it a capsule of probiotic with a bifido and lactobacillus strains(http://www.iherb.com/Renew-Life-Ultimate-Flora-Critical-Colon-Bifido-Max-80-Billion-30-Veggie-Caps/27551#p=1&oos=1&disc=0&lc=en-US&w=renew%20life%20colon&rc=261&sr=null&ic=2)
stir it in the bottle than close the lid and put it back into the fridge will it culture the bottle till next morning or a few days later? can this work?
if not, than will it work if the bottle will be kept outside the frige in higher temp?
- Re: FMT donor ecowner
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This is a reply to # 2,171,050it seems like it won't work outside the fridge.the probiotic packege says-Store in a dry place at 73°F (23°C) or below. Best if refrigerated.
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This is a reply to # 2,171,050Home made yogurt is made from cow milk.
Instad of using yogurt as a starter, you can open several capsules with probiotics, and use the powder as a starter.
The best is raw cow milk, but you can use any cow milk available, including common pasteurized and homogenized milk.
This guy gives you detail guidelines:
http://www.makeyourownyogurt.com/
If you don't have 2 pots that fit inside each other and the heating pad, do not buy them. You can instead invest money in yogurt maker, it cost less than the cost of a new stainless steel pot or heating pad.
185°F = 85°C
110°F = 43°C
In short yogurt making steps:
Sterilize all of the equipment
Heat milk to 185°F, quickly and evenly by using a hot water jacket
Cool it quickly and evenly to 110°F, using a cold water bath
Add or "pitch" probiotics from several capsules (4 - 10)
Cover and keep warm (110°F = 43°C) for seven hours, like overnight.
Tomorrow, you have one liter or more of fresh yogurt.
110°F = 43°C is the temperature at which the yogurt cultures (or your probiotics from the capsules, whatever strain you have ) will consume the lactose in the cow milk, and reproduce themselves. From each single bacteria you may get 5 000 or 50 000 live bacteria, converting lactose into yogurt acids.
You will "pitch" your milk with your strain of probiotics.
Automatic yogurt maker costs less than a large stainless steel pot:
http://www.amazon.com/b?ie=UTF8&node=16012141
http://lexieskitchen.com/lexies_kitchen/2012/5/16/yogurt-machine-recommendati...
http://www.bestyogurtmakerguide.com/
http://homecooking.about.com/od/dairyrecipes/r/bldairy9.htm
I don't endorse any particular machine.
The cheapest maker may work as good as the most expensive.
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This is a reply to # 2,171,097Hmm. I have read about particular strains of probiotics curing celiac disease in animals, which sounds much easier than a poop transplant. It is suggested that a Poop Transplant could also cure celiac disease. But, it would be more convenient to take the probiotics if they could also cure celiac disease.
"While vitamin D and probiotics may have potential as preventative measures against the onset of celiac disease early in life, the option of a Fecal Transplant provides the actual possibility of restoring tolerance to gluten or curing celiac disease later in life following long-term intestinal mucosal recovery on a gluten-free diet. "
It'd be nice to be able to tolerate gluten again, but I'd probably be better off not eating gluten for health reasons even if I didn't have celiac disease.
http://www.celiac.com/articles/23191/1/Synthetic-Stool-May-Advance-Fecal-Tran...
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This is a reply to # 2,170,723Hey Buddy,
I'm due to see Professor Borody in December as that's the earliest I could get in but I'm seeing another Dr at the clinic there in June. Just curious as to what's the protocol for FMTs & also what have you been treating with it, to what avail?
Cheers
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